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JohnnyBoots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 10:29 AM
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What's up with the whole Curt Weldon thing, I missed that news tidbit.
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TomPainesBones Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:02 AM
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1. I wouldn't mind knowing myself
Edited on Sun Aug-14-05 11:03 AM by TomPainesBones
The silence here is disconcerting


Any updates?

Anyone?

Bueller?

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JohnnyBoots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:06 AM
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2. Easy there Ben Stein
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Goose3five Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:09 AM
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3. The bottom line is...
Weldon is using the Able Danger story to try and pin the 9/11 attacks - or more accurately their lack of prevention - on the Clinton administration.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/09/politics/09intel.html?pagewanted=all

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/11/politics/11intel.html?pagewanted=all
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:12 AM
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4. Also you must put what he says in the context of Weldon's actual position
Edited on Sun Aug-14-05 11:14 AM by blm
as a longtime propaganda carrier who is a close ally of RevMoon's. He and Bill Gertz (Moon's #1 'True Son') have always put out diversionary stories blaming Clinton some time before the facts come out against Bush.
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TomPainesBones Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:18 AM
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5. I don't disagree with that
Edited on Sun Aug-14-05 11:19 AM by TomPainesBones
But this attack the messenger crap is for rightwing pussies. I want some facts to counter with - so I can bash them over the head with them like it was a 30 pound mahogany table leg. This 'wait and see' attitude is so unlike DU, and quite frankly has me concerned.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:31 AM
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7. if there are no real facts to back up Weldon, because it's untrue, why
would you expect countering facts to something that didn't happen?
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TomPainesBones Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:39 AM
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8. Weldon is charging
that the Pentagon kept info from the FBI.
The 9/11 Commission calls Weldon's source unreliable because he got some travel dates wrong.
And that's where things seem to stand. That's just not good enough when you're fighting Cromags. Are the travel dates truly wrong? Did the Pentagon keep info from the FBI?
That's what I want to know.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:49 AM
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9. But we can only research what are KNOWN facts.
We shouldn't be expected to post what is not known at this time, unless we preface it as speculation or personal opinion.

Be concerned that noone in the media has a handle on the facts, and encourage THEM to publish what is known.

We cannot attempt that without SOMETHING more concrete that is available to us.

I base MY opinion on Weldon's longtime record as a propagandist who carries water for Moon, and his alliance with another PROLIFIC PROPAGANDIST working for RevMoon, Bill Gertz.
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TomPainesBones Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:09 PM
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10. Great,
so as it stands our defense is "He said/They said" "Liar liar, pants on fire" and "Lets wait for the MEDIA to fill in the blanks for us". I do appreciate your input blm, but this is not the best of positions. I'm still concerned about this. It's getting out of hand everywhere on the Internet except here, and our talking points suddenly sound like theirs. But I'll just let it go for now.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:15 PM
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11. We HAVE no talking points...that should be obvious to you by now.
And I'd be ashamed if all we did here was use tallking points ...in fact, I wouldn't be here at all, I'd be a freeper who repeats whatever spin Rove directs Drudge and the Moonies to spread.
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TomPainesBones Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:43 PM
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13. Well, I guess it's just the definition
I consider these to be just a few of some damn good FACTUAL talking points. And I use them often...


February 26th, 2001, Paul Bremer (Co-chairman of the National Commission on Terrorism, Head of the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq) while speaking at the McCormick Tribune Foundation Conference on Terrorism stated: "The new administration seems to be paying no attention to the problem of terrorism. What they will do is stagger along until there's a major incident and then suddenly say, 'Oh, my God, shouldn't we be organized to deal with this?' (1)

May 5th, 2001, Bush rejected the Hart-Rudman report, a two and a half year study on the threat of terrorism, considered to be the most in-depth security analysis since the National Security Act of 1947, which created the National Security Council and the CIA. The fourteen member panel of intelligence and military experts, coming to the conclusion that "Americans will likely die on American soil, possibly in large numbers," recommended many improvements in our defenses (enacted since 9/11), including the creation of a National Homeland Security Agency. (2)

In the Summer of 2001, warnings of an al Qaeda attack in the United States using multiple aircraft as weapons began pouring in from international intelligence agencies all over the world, including: Germany, Russia (3) Jordan, Morocco (4) Israel (5) and Britain. (6) From 1994 through 2001 U.S. intelligence agencies were aware of numerous threats that al Qaeda could use airplanes as weapons against the United States. (7)

August 6th, 2001, Bush received a briefing from the CIA titled "Bin Laden Determined To Strike In The U.S.," which emphasized that al Qaeda hoped to "bring the fight to America." Hijackings were mentioned specifically. When White House press secretary Ari Fleischer stated the title of the document to reporters in May 2002, he left out the word "In." (8)

In the middle of unprecedented warnings of a major terrorist attack in the United States coming from numerous international intelligence sources, what does Bush do? He takes a one month vacation. A one month vacation after being in office for roughly six months. A one month vacation after the most contested election in history. This is the longest presidential vacation in thirty two years - just shy of the record held by Richard Nixon who beats Bush by one day. (9)

FBI Director and counter-terrorism chief John O'Neill resigned in protest of the Bush administration because he believed they were obstructing the prosecution of terrorism. (10)

September 10th, 2001, John Ashcroft refused a $58 million request from the FBI for counter-terrorism funding and proposed cutting $64 million in state and local counter-terrorism grants. (11)

Despite the fact that Condoleezza Rice said on May 16, 2002 "I don't think anybody could have predicted that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile" there was a mountain of evidence to the contrary. In October 2000, the Pentagon conducted a mock terrorist attack using a simulated plane crash into a model of the Pentagon. The exercise was called "The Pentagon Mass Casualty Exercise." (12) In September 1999, a federal report titled the "Sociology and Psychology of Terrorism" stated that al Qaeda suicide bombers might hijack an airliner and dive bomb it into the Pentagon, CIA headquarters, or the White House. (13)

Richard Clarke, Bush's former top anti-terrorism adviser, has condemned the administration's stance on the war on terror. Clarke, who served as deputy assistant and assistant Secretary of State in both the Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations, and was held over by both the Clinton and Bush administrations as their terrorism czars, holds the record as the longest continuously serving senior White House staff member. (14) He has a 30 year history in government service. In March 2004 Clarke said: "Frankly, I find it outrageous that the president is running for re-election on the grounds that he's done such great things about terrorism. He ignored it. He ignored terrorism for months, when maybe we could have done something to stop 9/11. (15)

(1) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4871819/
(2) http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,561758,00.html
(3) http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,53065,00.html
(4) http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0523/p11s01-coop.html
(5) http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/16/wcia16.xml
(6) http://www.sundayherald.com/24822
(7) http://www.wanttoknow.info/020919wsj.orig
(8) http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A35744-2002May17¬Found=true
(9) http://billstclair.com/911timeline/2001/wpost080701.html
(10) http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0201/08/ltm.05.html
(11) http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=33582
(12) http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Contingency_Planning.html
(13) http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/17/attack/main509471.shtml
(14) http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A17694-2003Mar12
(15) http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/60minutes/main607356.shtml
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:47 PM
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14. I was speaking specifically to Weldon claim. BTW...you missed Jan30, 2001
Bush is handed the Hart-Rudman Report on Global Terror - he refuses to read it.
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TomPainesBones Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:56 PM
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15. Okay then
But I did get the Hart/Rudman report in there.
It just wasn't until May 5th, 2001 that it was officially rejected.
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JohnnyBoots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:21 AM
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6. The guy went to my high school, he is a douche.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:16 PM
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12. I heard some lady reporter on FOX this morning say he was...
not credible to a lot of people because he had passed info to the FBI and to the Canadian government in the past that turned out not to be true. I had not heard that before but if it came from FOX, it must be true, huh?
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 04:39 PM
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16. another neocon liar n/t
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