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[steve2470]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

Business Plot
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

The Business Plot or the The Plot Against FDR is a historically conjectured conspiracy of moneyed interests intended to strip President Franklin D. Roosevelt of his political power during the early years of the Great Depression. Proponents of the theory point to the year 1933 as the origin of the affair, citing the widespread dismay of U.S. business interests toward President Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal program, which proposed sweeping new government intervention and redistributionist policies to combat the Great Depression. In response, these men allegedly plotted to overthrow Roosevelt in a fascist military coup.


Contents
1 Alleged Conspirators
2 The Butler Affair
3 Public reaction
4 Denouement
5 Sources



Alleged Conspirators

Those who propose the existence of the Business Plot hold a group of wealthy business interests, led by the Du Pont and J. P. Morgan industrial empires, to have been the conspirators. Among the individuals cited:
Irénée du Pont - Chemical industrialist and founder of the American Liberty League, the right-wing organization assigned to execute the plot.
Grayson Murphy - Director of Goodyear, Bethlehem Steel and a group of J. P. Morgan banks.
William Doyle - Former high-ranking member of the American Legion and a central plotter of the coup.
John Davis - Former Democratic presidential candidate and a senior attorney for J. P. Morgan.
Al Smith - Roosevelt's bitter political foe from New York. Smith was a former governor of New York and a codirector of the American Liberty League.
John J. Raskob - A high-ranking DuPont officer and a former chairman of the Democratic Party.
Robert Clark - One of Wall Street's richest bankers and stockbrokers.
Gerald MacGuire - Bond salesman for Clark, and a former commander of the Connecticut American Legion. MacGuire was the key recruiter to General Butler.

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The link below may be a better one and less RW biased.

http://home.iprimus.com.au/korob/fdtcards/Butler.html

[Gabi Hayes]

1. what a bunch of BS!!!!! that site is dominated, it seems, by RW

analysis

that Cramer guy, who isn't designated as such, as a self described conserv/libertarian, who gets more conservative as his children get older

they do, however, identify The Masses, as a socialist magazine

All the way through the article, they talk about the alleged this and that, the purported this or that, THEN, at the very end, they casually mention that the entire thing has been verified (as if there was ever any doubt, except in the eyes of wingnuts like Cramer), in the very last paragraph

I see this over and over in Wikipedia....if I can remember, I'll find another case somebody linked the other day. It, again, was very biased, telling basically one side of the story, with all but one supporting link coming from RW sources

what a joke

[steve2470]

2. found one for ya

http://home.iprimus.com.au/korob/fdtcards/Butler.html

[Gabi Hayes]

3. thx....I've read a few books on Butler, a genuine hero of his time

that's a citation by the very same Cramer, who casts doubt on the reality of the 'alleged' coup.

he does a good job in summing up the origins, but just ignores what we KNOW to have happened as he sums up what he says 'might have' really happened

we know, from actual testimony of those involved, as well as what the 911-like whitewash job done by the MacCormack committee, that this thing really did happen, and we were lucky that they so badly misjudged Butler

there are certainly sites that do a much better job than Cramer, who's a SOFTware engineer, not a historian, at giving the real story

[Gabi Hayes]

4. I've always wondered why nobody's ever made a movie out of this

IIRC, the Seven Days in May was inspired by this, and very loosely based on it

haven't seen it since I was a kid, but it seems a stretch

here
http://realhistoryarchives.blogspot.com/2005/02/war-is-racket-for-rich.html

[Gabi Hayes]

7. interesting response, from a marine who says they READ War is a Racket!

As a former officer of Marines (!), I can tell you that General Butler remains a revered figure in the Marine Corps. Recruits and Officer Candidates are first told of him at boot camp/OCS respectively and War Is A Racket was required reading of all 2d Lieutenants during my days at The Basic School. Also, during the run up to Gulf War I, War Is A Racket became required reading (re-reading) for all officers by the direct order of then Commandant Al Gray.

With all this on my mind, I might suggest you find an old special forces hand who took the Civil Affairs Officer Course at the JFK Special Warfare Center in, say 1984, and they may tell you that the concept of rigged electronic voting machines was under discussion there way back then. The discussion was not how to rig them but to beware of the rigging when conducting civil affairs ops.
1984. Long time coming. Is it here to stay?
I send my best wishes,
Jim French

[steve2470]

5. oops let me go look more lol nt

[steve2470]

6. one from demopedia

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Attempted_Coup_Against_Franklin_D._Roosevelt

[steve2470]

8. another quote

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The new President immediately began making reforms, including a whole-scale restructuring of the nation's economic infrastructure and vast concessions to labor—changes that hardly endeared him to Big Business. In 1934, Smedley Butler told a Congressional committee that several Wall Street brokers, represented by one Gerald C. MacGuire, had approached him, seeking his leadership for another group of veterans to march on Washington—this time, an armed force that would make it clear to Roosevelt that it was either Wall Street's way or the highway. America had seen its own attempt at a Fascist coup.

Why, then, is this incident in U.S. history not better known? Why don't children learn in school about the plot to seize the United States government? The answer is obvious to anyone familiar with how the American political system and press work. Those Butler accused treated the affair as a joke, a "cocktail party" suggestion that the uneducated, backwoods rube of a Marine had taken seriously. The press was quick to turn on the general, as well: Time magazine called his accusations a "plot without plotters," and the New York Times, after initially reporting the events on the first page on November 21, 1934, buried them in the middle of the newspaper on the 22nd—leading off the story with a denial by MacGuire.

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http://www.corporatemofo.com/stories/030928warracket.htm

[Gabi Hayes]

10. that's much closer to the reality of the situation

sounds eerily familiar to what's been happening now, doesn't it?

the richfux do whatever they want, knowing that, in their control of all aspects of government and media, they CAN do and say anything, and get away with it, with no real consequences

when their arrogance careens completely out of control, a whitewash commission springs up, then covers up, and everthing goes back to the way it was

funny stuff, huh?

[steve2470]

12. yeah, funny like Herpes lol

operates the same way, flares up, and then hides in the nerve fibers until it's time to come out again.

[Gabi Hayes]

9. it's interesting....Cramer's name keeps popping up...it's in the link I

gave, too

I read the two books my library had about Butler a few years ago, and they were both really fascinating

if you have access to either, you might want to check one out.

amazing stuff

did you see where he won TWO congressional medals of honor?

he realized, after a time, that he was basically a mercernary for big business, spendng most of his career stabilizing Latin American countries/islands for the likes of United Fruit Company

[steve2470]

11. lots of good stuff here

http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/generalsources.html

[Gabi Hayes]

13. thanks.....this is one of the books I read....get that one if you can

Jules Archer, The Plot to Seize the White House, 1973

[spuddonna]

14. Thanks for the post! Had forgotten this...

Remember talking to my dad about this long time ago... He said he'd be surprised that we'd ever see it in our history books from school...(those same books always dissed the history of unions) He told me how they tried to make a laughingstock of Butler. The rw smear machine has been alive and well for decades...

[shance]

15. The Marine Corps. seem very proud of their Butler.

n/t

[steve2470]

16. Does the past repeat itself, hmmmm ? nt