Wow !!! - Freeps Turning On Church Over Sheehan !!!

[WillyT]

<snip>

Well, I walked out of church this morning over the Cindy Sheehan situation (VANITY)
Muself | 8/14/05 | Myself

Posted on 08/14/2005 9:17:15 AM PDT by Chi-townChief

I'll apologize in advance for this vanity post but I need to get this off my chest:

At our 10:30 a.m. mass this morning, our pastor was the celebrant. Today's Gospel was the story of Christ's meeting with the Canaanite woman and the eventual healing of her daughter. Our pastor then followed with his homily where he first related the plight of the Canaanite woman with a woman he knew who called him requesting prayers for an illness in her family which we could relate to since my wife and I are both contending with (minor, we hope) health issues.

The nest thing we know, the pastor is relating this to the "lady camped out in Texas asking for healing AND ACCOUNTABILITY" (the emphasis is my own). We sat there and listened through the sermon as he returned to the Sheehan story a few more times asking us to imagine an Iraqi woman who lost children in the same position.

Thankfully, it was pretty short and we stood for the Creed but then, immediately before the intercessions, the pastor returned to the topic.

This was too much for us so we turned and left, commenting to those around that we don't come to church to hear politics. I handed the usher my offering as we exited.

This is the first time something like this has happened in this church we have attended for the past twenty years or so and I feel pretty horrible about the whole thing.

<snip>

Link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1463155/posts

Let me get this straight... the church of the Prince of Peace, was actually preaching peace, so this dude and fam got up and left because, they can't have any of that sort of heretical nonsense... Wah...

:wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf:

[eleny]

1. They just don't get it, do they

[WCGreen]

56. And they never will.....

[KingFlorez]

2. They put politics above their own religion

That's ridiculous since their suppose to be the Christian Party

[Erika]

7. They put Bush above God

They are simple Bushbots.

[Imagevision]

96. And these are the types who believe Bush is winning in Iraq

[Maat]

3. Gutsy pastor.

Speaking Truth to Ignorance.

[Clark2008]

4. I'm betting that if the preacher had blasted Cindy, then this

dude would be singing his praises to all his freepy friends.

:crazy:

[BrendaStarr]

52. It must have been a more liberal denomination

Where the freeper felt safe he's never be confronted with the normal right wing politics in church that many churches allow.

And by talking on his way out he was trying to take others with him.

(Or this could have been a paid or Rove crony poster trying to implant the suggestion int other freepers minds. Rove loves to play tricks with the freerepublic people, I'm sure. He seems to have used a proxy to plant the first doubts about the CBS memos there, from the info that LA Times learned about the fr.com poster who first brought up the garbage about no typewriters with superscripts in those days--which turned out to be wrong.)

[knitter4democracy]

80. It was a Catholic church.

From the details given in the post, it was Catholic, which makes it even funnier that he said he didn't come to church to hear about politics. :spray:

[deadparrot]

5. They DIDN'T GO TO CHURCH TO HEAR POLITICS?!

FUCK them.

I've been listening to politics in MY church for YEARS. I got told that I was going to hell because I would have voted for Kerry, had I been of age.

What this slime means is that he/she doesn't like hearing politics in chuch that they don't like.

Things look a little different from the other point of view, don't they, freeps?

[VPStoltz]

28. You got that correct.

They don't go to church for politics? What was all that crap they were listening to before Nov. 2004? I'm sure it seemed relevant to them then.
Exactly why I don't go to church anymore.

[pacalo]

29. RIGHT ON! That's exactly how I feel.

[SammyWinstonJack]

78. They have made this about politics.

Don't they get that?

[BamaBecky]

94. That's the truth if I ever heard it!....n/t

[girl gone mad]

6. False idols.

I guess she thinks Bush really does talk to god.

[Is It Fascism Yet]

70. Da man said he had a wife! N/T

[marbuc]

8. And this is the first time politics has "happened" in his church?

I find this hard to believe. I guess it's not politics if he/she agrees with it.

[madeline_con]

19. This poster....

was my favorite. I choked on my lemonade:

To: Chi-townChief
You did the right thing. Priests should not attempt to brainwash parishoners and they should stay out of politics. (Separation of Church and State, I believe is the term.)
13 posted on 08/14/2005 9:22:19 AM PDT by Virginia Queen (Virginia Queen)


:eyes:

[girl gone mad]

25. Bwahahahahahaha!

They truly are insane.

[Incitatus]

38. Priests should not attempt to brainwash parishoners

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[meow2u3]

41. But fundie preachers can brainwash the masses to their hearts' content

:grr::grr::grr::grr:
Evil freepers: hating America one (real) Christian at a time

[FreedomAngel82]

46. I thought the seperation was a myth?

LOL. They believe that the speration is a myth. So now it applies! LOL! This is all so hilarious.

[tamtam]

64. You got to be kidding me

OMG my sides hurt I laughed so hard at this. So let me get this straight.

1. It's ok to tell folks they are going to hell if they vote for Kerry

2. It's ok for priest to preach against reproductive rights and incorporate that opinion into politics during a church sermon.

3.It's ok to preach against gay marriage in church and incorporate that opinion into politics during a church sermon.

My god what is not ok is to preach peace and compassion for others. By god that is not fine and dandy because that my friend is an liberal ideology.

These people are the fucking epitome of hypocrisy. They USED and ABUSED the teachings of christ in this last election and these dumb freeptards ate it up like candy. Damn, jesus was all about peace and compassion for your fellow man. These people are not true Christians and IMO they are worshiping Bush the idol. It just goes to show they will put politics over their so-called beloved religion. This folks is not about religion and it never was about religion. These people are sick, sick and god have mercy on their souls because they are blind. This is one of many reasons why religion and politics should not be mixed.

If Jesus came down from heaven these people would crucify him again.

[Bassic]

79. He's right, but let's him opposing it when liberals get chewed up...

[MADem]

87. Ignor-friken-ANUS!!!

The bozo, if he knew WTF he was talking about, should realize that churches are free to talk about stances on moral and social issues; the line is only drawn when pastors direct people to vote for a specific candidate or contribute to a specific party. I guess they don't like it much when it doesn't go to their advantage!!!

[madeline_con]

98. Please tell me your....

awesome pic of DUH-bya isn't copyrighted. I'd love to use it as a link to impeachment info on my site.

[MADem]

99. I wish it were mine, but it ain't

I lifted it from a FARKER who goes by the handle HBFARKER (I credit him in the properties of the image). Fark has some very creative people, from all ends of the spectrum. They really enjoy the competition to come up with the most clever images. I haven't checked them out lately, but I try to stop by every so often...it gives me hope for future generations, when I see that sort of creativity! http://www.fark.com/

[wtmusic]

9. He/she feels "pretty horrible"

good. That's a start.

[Norwood]

10. They dont get it and sadly they probobly never will n/t

[LoZoccolo]

11. Funny they don't give any actual criticism of what the pastor said.

Like they don't say what they felt was innaccurate or disingenuous about the sermon, just that they didn't like hearing about it because it involved politics and left.

[renate]

63. la la la la la la la la....

cover your ears and it's as if it never happened, freeper.
:eyes:

Edit: ACK! Of course it was the freeper and not you whom I was calling a freeper, LoZocollo!
Grammar, syntax... it can be such a pain.

[Gato Moteado]

12. wow, the catholic church is actually preaching what it's supposed to....

....this dipshitty white trash member is in the wrong church.....he needs to be a southern baptist if he wants to pray to the anglo, war loving jesus.

[Generic Other]

13. I went to a church where this happened during the Vietnam War

The pastor caused a rift in the congregation by preaching Christ's message of peace.

[DBoon]

15. Same thing here - over Caesar Chavez

Priest in the late '60s gave a passionate sermon about the plight of farmworkers. Pissed off the anglo parishoners.

[autorank]

14. This is a bogus post.

Lies and the lying liars that tell them. He says: "This was too much for us so we turned and left, commenting to those around that we don't come to church to hear politics. I handed the usher my offering as we exited."

OK, let's see. He is told who not to vote before every election -- people who are "pro choice." The word comes down and it's delivered at church. Where's this guy going to church? He's a liar if he says he's never heard politics there. It's politics on a regular basis before every election. He just doesn't like the consistency of the pro-life position adopted but not enunciated frequently enough: no abortion, no killing people (in pre-emptive wars, the death penalty, by fouling the environment with death causing toxins). He can't stand the truth. He can't tell it either.

[Miss Chybil]

30. Yes, and didn't the Vatican come out against the war?

I assume, since this guy said they went to Mass, he is a Catholic, right? I'm not getting it.

[autorank]

34. The Pope was ultra clear in opposition and tried to stop it.

What goes on over there? Some strange stuff...

[Miss Chybil]

42. 'swhat I thought... nt

[FreedomAngel82]

48. It is sad

My church though my preacher has only talked about politics only twice. Once on a fourth of July thing (how lucky we are and stuff like that) and once he mentioned why we have to fight and be left vs. right and not just work together for a better country for God. Other wise my preacher is pretty good.

[autorank]

54. Mine's good too...

Have I told you about my home grown religion, Bootyism...well the information is now embargoed but we view the works of Robert Johnson, Howlin' Wolf, and Sun Ra as sacred. And we don't have to get up early any morning.

;)

[proud2BlibKansan]

66. Hey I go to that church too!

Dr. John is also sacred to us.

[autorank]

72. ...and Bourbon Street is our Vatican!

...go cups and all.

:O8)::evilgrin::O8)::evilgrin::O8)::evilgrin:

[Mr_Spock]

16. These Freeper Church goers HATE JESUS - they FUCKING HATE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Freepers are Satans children, they only go to church because they want to be seen with other RW people, then they go home and preach hate. I HATE these people - absolutely despise them.

[FreedomAngel82]

49. It seems to me

they only truly like him when they can use him for their own agenda. *sigh*

[Mr_Spock]

53. Yeah, they see Jesus as a master manipulation device for sure

There is NO question in my mind that these people are using Jesus to manipulate people - it's so vile and despicable - BUT TRUE. :(:(:(

[WillyT]

17. ROFLMAO !! - Check Out This Response !!!

<snip>

To: Chi-townChief

You did the right thing. Priests should not attempt to brainwash parishoners and they should stay out of politics. (Separation of Church and State, I believe is the term.)

13 posted on 08/14/2005 9:22:19 AM PDT by Virginia Queen (Virginia Queen)

<snip>

They obviously don't hear what they themselves are saying, I wonder if they have trouble seeing themselves in mirrors too!!!

:rofl:

[deadparrot]

20. Unless they preach anti-abortion, pro-death penalty rhetoric...

...or anything else that's contrary to a liberal point of view. THEN it's okay to mix politics and religion.

[Mr_Spock]

22. Don't give Kerry communion, don't vote for Kerry. Lying hypocrite fucks.

These people are living a hell on earth. I'm so glad I'm not living their awful lives!!

[pacalo]

33. This is too much.

Reminds me of OxyRush running to the ACLU for help.

They flip flop in their beliefs when it benefits them.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. RLOL

how does this marry up with oh JUSTICE SUNDAY?

Enquiring minds want to know

[wtmusic]

62. Yep, and Kansas teachers should not attempt to brainwash kids

and stay out of religion

[YOY]

81. Here is a guy who knows

Brainwashing is Faux News job! It's in their contract!

[blue sky at night]

18. I see, when the RW Preacher warns........

you have to vote for the "Vacationer-in-Chief" its ok, but when he sticks up for the little guy (small woman, big message) then it's 'I'm outta here'!!?? Where is my baseball bat...have I mentioned how much I hate these people?

[merh]

21. But it was okay for them to use the church to politic for the weed

and against Kerry

Alas for you hypocrites, sure that the kingdom of heaven await you,
you will not venture half so far.

[LittleClarkie]

23. Hey, that was our Gospel too

I wonder if they're ELCA Lutherans. Nah, too liberal. Might be Catholic.

[niallmac]

24. Church of the Prince of Peace

We're talking Jesus here yeah? As i recall, Jesus was pretty politically active. He would gladly have stood in a ditch if it stopped an immoral war would he not?
You know:(warning, pontification about to commence)
seems to me that some people go to church or support the troops because it is socially acceptable and feels good and it's all so non threatening. Then, when things get serious, not fun, then these same people get all squirmy and uncomfortable. I think the nation as a whole needs to get all squirmy and uncomfortable beyond the comforting powers of Fox and CNN Weekly Reader News. Then we can get on with the business of being engaged in the future of our country and the planet.

[WillyT]

26. Word !!!

:hi:

[MetaTrope]

27. A librul church in Chicago?!

Who would've guessed it? ;)

[The_Casual_Observer]

31. They only like to hear about politics when it reinforces their own

beliefs and values. She would applauded a hearty "Hail the chimp"

[Swamp Rat]

32. Yet it is OK for BUSHLER and others to proselytize for the GOP in church?

I'm glad the little weenie coward made a scene in his ex-church. :)

[Imagevision]

35. I handed the usher my offering as we exited. >

How mighty white of you...!

[bleedingheart]

Okay when Pastor says Vote for Bush but not Okay when Denouncing War...?

hmmmm...

interesting...

[sakabatou]

36. Freeps want blood, war and massacre

Peace is too much to grasp for them.

[progressivebydesign]

37. He was hoping for Justice Sunday, apparently.

What a friggin' hypocrite. Who Would Jesus Bomb?

[PsychoDad]

40. If these people believed what they claim...

A belief in an afterlife, and of a final day on which we will face our creator and explain what we did, and why we didn't do what we could have, should have...

And why the message of one they claim to believe was the messenger of The One, was ignored, even discarded for one of hate and death.

When 100,000 iraqi's will ask for what reason they were slaughtered, when they had done us no wrong.

And when the gaze of The One falls upon this man who claimed the injeel, the message Jesus(pbuh) brought, as his faith.. He will be asked to explain why his words and actions were contrary to that message.

On that day, there will be no "sound byte" answer, no politically expedient excuse.

He, and so many others will claim they were acting in the name of Jesus. When asked, Jesus will deny them by stating, "Be gone from here, I know you not".

This is in his own bible.

If only they truly believed what they claim, perhaps more of them would act like Jesus, in word and deed. Wouldn't this be a better world?

and isn't that what being "Christian" is all about?

[JanusAscending]

45. AMEN, AMEN, AND AMEN!!!

[WillyT]

47. And Another Amen !!!

:yourock:

[buzzard]

68. And another Amen from an agnostic.n/t

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

43. Conservatives can't stand to face their own internal contradictions

If they truly believe that God created the earth, then they would lament the destruction of his creation through strip-mining, through the commercial exploitation of million-year-old forests, and the extinction of species of animals. If they truly believe that God created man in his own image, then they would lament Iraqi deaths in ABSOLUTELY EQUAL measure to American deaths, as God didn't create nations or governments. If they were true to their religious teachings, they wouldn't support wars of conquest in which tens of thousands of innocents lose their lives, just to get blind and unfounded vengeance because 3000 Americans lost theirs.

[FreedomAngel82]

51. Exactly

God is above time and space and the Earth. He gave us this wonderful place to live and grow as soul's and experience life. We should want to take care of the planet and each other even if we don't like how some people live. It's not my place to judge anybody. Only God can do that. And also killing of innocent blood is one of the things God hates (one of the seven deadly sins). Bush is guilty of all of them.

[renate]

65. yeah, but they'd have to THINK

that's the fly in the ointment.

Thinking is hard work.

[FreedomAngel82]

44. LOL

They don't go to church to hear politics? Uh "Justice Sunday" anybody? LOL! And anti-gay bashing? LOL! This is hilarious!!

[girl gone mad]

50. They don't go to church to hear the truth, either.

They go to be told that they are better than all those terrible gays and that when god comes they can go right to the front of the line.

[Ganja Ninja]

85. Exactly!

They don't go to church to hear politics, at least not politics they don't agree with.
In fact it's politics that got most of them to go to church in the first place. As long as the preacher is towing the right wing line it's all good. When they try to put across a moral lesson based on real christian values, they walk out.

[proud2BlibKansan]

55. But he handed his offering to the usher as he exited.

Gotta love that Catholic guilt. Sure brings back good memories:)

[Disturbed]

60. The Silverspoon Sociopath's church denounced the

Invasion of Iraq.

[Initech]

57. Wow, what fucking sheep. Seriously.

I wonder what they would do if they were in the same position as Sheehan?

[LibertyorDeath]

58. "we don't come to church to hear politics" LMFAO !

WTF does he think church is.

[Warren DeMontague]

59. I know- who goes to church to hear about POLITICS?

I mean, unless it's ranting against gays, birth control, abortion, secular humanism, "moral relatavism", or a thinly-veiled exhortation to vote Republican...

[BeTheChange]

61. The actual story in question....

I think its actually very powerful. It's a good parable to share with the Christians I know that honestly seem pulled in two directions by Cindy.. by the heart that feels her pain and by the head that has been filled with rhetoric...



One day Jesus Christ went to the region of Tyre and Sidon. There came to Him a Canaanite woman of pagan faith, and she began to cry out loudly, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David! My daughter is severely possessed by a demon."

Wishing to show His disciples the strength of the faith of this woman, Jesus Christ did not answer a word to her.

Then, the disciples began to beg Him saying, "Send her away, for she is crying after us."

But Jesus answered, "I am sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

But she came and knelt before Him saying, "Lord! Help me."

Jesus Christ said to her, "Let the children first be fed, for it is not right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs." He said this because the Jews considered themselves the children of Abraham, children of God, and sons of the Kingdom of Heaven, and they looked upon the Gentiles as dogs. Therefore, the Saviour was intentionally addressing the Jews in this instance and equating a dog to this woman, wishing to show the Jews all the incorrectness and injustice of their attitude toward the pagans. Among the pagans, He found strong faith such as did not exist among the Jews. He called them "the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Moreover, by these words, the Saviour showed the woman that He must live and do His work first of all among the Jews as they believed in the true God. Most importantly, the Saviour saw the believing heart of this woman and rejoiced that in her there was an example to show all people what faith must be.

The woman humbly answered to this, "Yes, Lord; yet even the dogs under the table eat the children’s crumbs." With these words the Canaanite woman demonstrated not only her great humility and consciousness that a pagan person could not be as close to God as those in the true faith, but conveyed by this her great faith that the merciful God extends mercy to all people.

Then, Jesus Christ said to her, "O woman, great is your faith! Be it done for you as you desire." And her daughter was healed instantly. Returning home, the woman found her daughter restored to health and peacefully lying in bed.

[DanCa]

67. Not every church follows the edicts of the chimp and the rat

was this an episcopal church or unitarian church? I am floored. I love this pastor I want to write him a thank you letter but I wont go on free republic. Seeing the url alone makes me want to take one of those silkwood showers.

[YOY]

82. Roman Catholic

the congregation is split down the middle usually 1/2 rep. 1/2 dem.

[Gelliebeans]

69. These assholes make me

sick.
<snip>"This was too much for us so we turned and left, commenting to those around that we don't come to church to hear politics. I handed the usher my offering as we exited."

This would all be null and void if they were discussing "Justice Sunday"

Cherry-picking hypocrits :eyes::eyes::eyes:

[SoCalDem]

71. "...we don't come to church to hear politics..."

and yet if the preacher had been preaching about how evil the liberals are for their beliefs bout choice, they would have stood and cheered, as they reached for their checkbooks..

Jesus WAS a politician.. He took on "big gubbmint" and lost.. That's what the Bible is about..

[nookiemonster]

73. Why are these fuckers still "tax exempt???

:mad:

eom

[Walt Starr]

74. The biggest lie a Freeper ever told

This was too much for us so we turned and left, commenting to those around that we don't come to church to hear politics.

That was the Freeper's REAL problem, it didn't end up in a screed about Bush being a Christian man and the second coming so vote for whomsoever Bush says.

[Libby2]

75. Awe Puddin'

my heart breaks for them.....NOT

You reap what you sow.

[qanda]

76. Honestly

I don't go to church to hear politics either and if the message were for Bush I would have had the same reaction. In fact, I clearly remember that some DUers left their churches during the election because of the politics. The Cindy Sheehan story is powerful but it should be left out of the pulpit. jmho

[johnnie]

77. "we don't come to church to hear politics."

But yet they demand that school children in a public school have to listen to their religious beliefs.

[huskerlaw]

83. Ok, if this guy's Catholic...

how could he possibly be pro-war? :sarcasm:

Seriously though, didn't Pope John Paul make it quite clear that he (read: the Catholic Church) was against it? So for any TRUE Catholic, being against the war should be right up there with being anti-abortion, yes?

[smartvoter]

84. Typical. Dirtbags who wrap themselves in the flag and thump on the bible

can't handle it when their hatred is not supported -- even at church.

[Vickers]

86. He probably ran straight from the church to the recruiting office

:sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:
:sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:
:sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:

[tk2kewl]

88. ACCOUNTABILITY ??

we wouldn't want to hold anyone accountable for crimes against humanity, now would we? :sarcasm: Clearly this guy is all for letting murders walk away scott free.

[Fleshdancer]

89. Oh dear God, the responses in FR over this are hideous!

They really don't understand Jesus, do they?

My personal favorite:

To: Chi-townChief

I'd say that you restrained yourself admirably (at least compared to what I might have done).

9 posted on 08/14/2005 9:21:18 AM PDT by Bob
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_________________

Oh yeah Bob, what the hell would you have done? Punch the Pastor? Yell obscenities? That'll teach a man of the cloth to talk about PEACE and ACCOUNTABILITY! How DARE the church do THAT!

Here's another one:

To: Chi-townChief
You did the right thing. Priests should not attempt to brainwash parishoners and they should stay out of politics. (Separation of Church and State, I believe is the term.)


13 posted on 08/14/2005 9:22:19 AM PDT by Virginia Queen (Virginia Queen)
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Hey, I agree with you Virginia Queen. This separation of Church and State idea sounds interesting, please tell me more. Perhaps we can meet over coffee after the next Justice Sunday! Oh wait, I'll have to reschedule...I have to meet with the school board later that day to discuss whether creationism should be taught in public schools. When we do get a chance to meet, why don't we meet at the Ten Commandments statue outside the courthouse? How will be able to recognize each other? You'll be the one wearing your God Bless America shirt and I'll wear my ACLU shirt and we can discuss the true meaning of separation of Church and State. Oh wait...you meant separation of your Church from my state. Or is it separation of my church from your state? Funny how the two can't seem to co-exist in your world, isn't it. Yep. Hilarious.

[wryter2000]

90. Politics in a church?

Oh, the horror! :sarcasm:

[dogday]

91. All of a sudden politics are not allowed

in church. Let's flash back to the election... Were they talking politics during the elections in a lot of churches? This dog thinks they were. But bring up Cindy Sheehan and the freepers do a dance...

[SemperEadem]

92. Oooh... the devil ran him up out of church with the truth!!!!

he forgot which master he was serving for a minute there.

[tgnyc]

93. F.A.C's: Fake-Ass Christians

[ComerPerro]

95. Ironic. I thought they got off on Bush/Christ comparisons

The truth hurts.

[WillyT]

97. Kick !!!

:kick:

[Roland99]

100. If the pastor had criticized Cindy, the Freeper would've creamed his pants