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Sun Aug-14-05 11:28 PM
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I know a lot of you are very much involved with Sheehan |
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But listen close: if someone sees that Andy Sheehan's motivation for wanting his mother home isn't based on sexism, THEY'RE NOT FUCKING CONSERVATIVES. Because I see someone whose mother is in Texas while his father apparently has filed for divorce (if you want to trash the father, go ahead, the man looks like a certifiable douchebag to me) who is probablys still struggling with the fact his brother was killed in a war that shouldn't have started, but he bravely volunteered for, I get accused, STUPIDLY, of being some paid freeper (who's managed to post 3200 times, amazing).
This isn't a "support Sheehan you're a liberal, say anything other than 100% support you're a freeper or 'from over there'." I even said in my fucking reply she doesn't have to go home, but was merely looking at what her son's motivation was. God damn, some people need to take a step back.
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Sun Aug-14-05 11:31 PM
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Sun Aug-14-05 11:32 PM
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2. Take a deep breath and calm down. |
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Edited on Sun Aug-14-05 11:34 PM by girl gone mad
You're calling Cindy's husband names, last I heard he was supportive of Cindy and the seperation is a result of the stress of losing Casey.
Andy is going through a lot right now. That's totally understandable. But I think he can live without his mom being at the house with him for a few more weeks. He is a grownup, after all.
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Mon Aug-15-05 12:27 AM
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81. A great many couples separate after the death of a child. |
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They grieve in different ways... they do not understand the others method.
It is unfortunately quite commom - especially w/ the death of young children.
It is also common among those who experience the death of an adult child.
I will not judge those in grief.
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Sun Aug-14-05 11:33 PM
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Is this Cindys son? Or is it Cindys Husband? If not, I have no idea what your talking about. :shrug:
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Sun Aug-14-05 11:34 PM
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11. andy is her other son |
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who's accused of sexism for wanting her home, and because i don't believe that's his motivation, i'm a paid right winger.
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What are you going to do about it?
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28. Call you out as a profiteer. |
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I'm wondering where all this money is, cause I could really use it to pay my tuition. Karl, if you see this, CALL ME!
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Sun Aug-14-05 11:40 PM
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24. the only thing that's keeping my tears off my desk is the loads |
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of money i'm getting for not thinking andy sheehan is a sexist.
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Sun Aug-14-05 11:46 PM
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38. After all, MONEY is freedom. YES? n/t |
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ignorance is knowledge peace is war
how much more orwellian shit do you want me to say?
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34. name not needed is just about my favourite person ever |
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40. Do You? Just Askin... |
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He does support his mother, but he's also trying to deal with a dead brother, divorcing parents, college (probably), and anything else that happens during that time between childhood and adulthood.
Give him a break.
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Sun Aug-14-05 11:33 PM
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5. There are lots of accusations and flaming going on |
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Emotions are out of control. It's a damn shame.
Just for you, from me:
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Sun Aug-14-05 11:34 PM
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6. So you condescendingly said she doesn't have to go home. |
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Why not leave that to her and her family to decide?
Her dead child was her first born, that means a lot.
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Sun Aug-14-05 11:35 PM
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Which planet are you on now?
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20. Huh? Have we moved from "facts" to "planets"? |
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Sun Aug-14-05 11:34 PM
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8. maybe instead of worrying about.... |
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Andy Sheehan, you could worry about Casey Sheehan's compadres in Iraq?
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Sun Aug-14-05 11:40 PM
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23. We all are worried about Casey Sheehan's compadres in Iraq ... |
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and honestly to those that have died , there is nothing that can but done right now but pray that they are resting in peace . They died in an injust war . But there are still soldiers over there in this unjust war and the point is not only to bring them home - but to make sure that they are taken care of when they come home . I don't think people truly realize the steps that have to be taken for soldiers to readjust to everyday life once they come home from the battle field . Bushie and Rummy should be forced to give these guys and girls the proper help if any is needed once they come home instead of what happen to the soldiers that came home from the Vietnam War . Just my 2 cents .
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Sun Aug-14-05 11:41 PM
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27. how unprogressive of me |
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to worry about people in america too. god i should be ashamed.
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Sun Aug-14-05 11:34 PM
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10. i have been told i am on the other side too, cause i didnt |
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agree with a thought. yes. after over 10k posts, i am really a freeper in disguise. hm.....
i dont know your to do. but gonna agree. calling people out because someone isnt following exactly the line of another is, pure bs
i am so not a freeper type, i dont say what someone wants me to say just so i can prove i am one with the group
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Sun Aug-14-05 11:36 PM
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14. What exact line are you talking about? |
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Telling Cindy what she should be feeling or doing?
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Sun Aug-14-05 11:42 PM
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29. oh no i wasnt in this argument. i am not of mind to get into cindy's |
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personal life or her relationship of her family. nah. none of my business. i am confident cindy will be able to resolve and take care of her own issues.
i wasnt in this to do. another to do. but like i say, we dont need to call someone a freeper because they didnt agree or suggested something else.
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Sun Aug-14-05 11:45 PM
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33. Nor do we flame DU for no reason |
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I saw NO posts putting any of the Sheehans down.
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Sun Aug-14-05 11:47 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4352473&mesg_id=4352514why is it cindy's duty to "support the family" all by herself? what a lot of sexist bsclearly implying his motivations were based on sexism
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Those freep chowderheads don't have a lock on that. It's common slang.
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Mon Aug-15-05 12:17 AM
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67. Not Here It Isn't. Find Me Another Post... |
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Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 12:31 AM by DistressedAmerican
I love this one of yours though.
removed the misposted part...
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Mon Aug-15-05 12:19 AM
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69. I've seen it a few times |
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Actually, more than a few times. But really, a bit of l33tspeak isn't the mark of a freeper.
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Mon Aug-15-05 12:20 AM
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Again, those aren't my words. And I'm as easy as could be right now.
Of course, searching for "owned" in the archives would be fruitless, it's a common word.
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Mon Aug-15-05 12:20 AM
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71. are you talking to charlie or me |
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because neither of us posted it, nor are either of us mentioned
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Declench a bit, we're just talking here :hi:
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Mon Aug-15-05 12:21 AM
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74. Oops, Misposted. My Bad. Hi Cubfan. Still Not Supporting Cindy? |
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Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 12:21 AM by DistressedAmerican
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78. Well, if she's as wonderful a person as you are... |
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70. It's locked now, but you can still read it: |
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Sun Aug-14-05 11:35 PM
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12. I take your remarks in good faith |
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but if she packs it in and goes home now the conservatives will go into another one of their gloating episodes. She's too invested in this now, and her son is a big boy anyway.
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Sun Aug-14-05 11:39 PM
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22. i'm not telling her to do anything |
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i'm saying that attacking her son is repugnant, but apparently i'm some kind of right winger for thinking this.
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Sun Aug-14-05 11:36 PM
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15. Please don't trash Andy Sheehan here based on one sentence from Time |
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I'm sorry, but i don't agree with this attack.
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17. He *wasn't* trashing Andy Sheehan |
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18. The original poster is defending Andy Sheehan |
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21. Did you even bother to read his post? |
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Sun Aug-14-05 11:45 PM
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35. yes i did...sorry if i misunderstood |
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First of all: IF andy told Time that he sent this email, he still didn't say when or if he still felt that way!
Also..why is Cindy's husband a "douchebag"? Can't we do better than name calling!
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25. Why is dad a douche bag? |
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I read in the Time article, Cindy and her husband were grieving in different ways. Couples often do grieve differently and grow apart after the loss of a child - even grown children. Their marriage is a casualty of war. Why does that make dad a douche bag? I think that's a little unfair. The man has lost his son. Give him a break.
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30. This has nothing to do with the topic . |
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The original poster was talking about how when someone has a topic that is not of the majority , he or she is called a freeper . That should stop . Different views are not welcomed anymore I see .
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45. Not like you're trying to steer what I say, or anything... |
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32. and the mother lost her son |
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and the father is leaving her. More than a year after it happened. I don't like divorce to begin with (personal family experience) and this one just reaks to me.
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44. I think, maybe, people are getting a little too wrapped up in Cindy's |
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47. repukes-> "we don't care - we don't care" -> sounds like Ann Coulter!! |
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48. really where do i question what she's doing? |
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where have i questioned her motives? where have i said "she shouldn't be out there"?
please find one post on that.
then come back to me.
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Sun Aug-14-05 11:55 PM
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51. Why don't you bother to read the Times article and not bash |
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anyone but the man responsible for the Sheehan's marital and family problems -- GWB!
Their problems began when Pat and Cindy Sheehan found they did not grieve the same way, as is often the case for families that face such tragedy.
If Casey had not been killed in the illegal and immoral war, they would not be suffering so and Cindy would not be standing vigil at Camp Casey, waiting patiently to talk to the prezidip, the man that is responsible for Casey's death.
If the RWers are concerned for Cindy's family, they should encourage the weed-n-chief to talk to her so that she can return to her family.
And while they are at it, they should encourage the weed to pull out of Iraq so that other fathers, brothers, sisters and daughters can come home to their family. I bet plenty of soliders in Iraq could use the support of their family!.
Back home in California, her family is imploding under its grief. Sheehan lost her job at Napa County Health and Human Services because of all her absences, she says. Husband Pat, 52, couldn't bear having Casey's things at home and put most of them in storage. "We grieved in totally different ways," Cindy says. "He wanted to grieve by distracting himself. I wanted to immerse myself." A car tinkerer, he added two 1969 VW Bugs to his collection recently and diverted some of his sorrow into them. The couple separated in June.
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Sun Aug-14-05 11:57 PM
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54. I'M NOT BASHING ANYONE |
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THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT!
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I thought your point was well made and unarguable, and thanks for making it. Sorry you're going through this. You'll feel better in the morning, and some of your bashers will feel pretty stupid when they actually do read what you wrote.
Hang in there. If you weren't a DU vet before, you are now. :smoke:
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Mon Aug-15-05 12:14 AM
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63. Didn't look like that in your OP when you say the husband's |
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And you should be blaming the Weed -- Bash him all you like and stop cussing at me.
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55. Her son, her life, her family, her decisions. |
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58. Why is her personal life being thrown out to be laundered? |
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Answer: Because the RW spin machine is starting to come into action. She is a real threat to the credibility of Pres. Privet. A week ago she wasn't, but now she is, so anything they can do to make her look like a flake, a bitch or anything else will be trotted out to discredit her. After this post, I refuse to partake in any thread that is thrown out as a distraction to the real issue and as a smear on Cindy Sheehan. I hope all DUers do the same.
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Mon Aug-15-05 12:22 AM
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75. catholic i went back and read your words in that thread, that has |
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been locked. i agree with you. i dont see that you said a single offensive thing. the only thing you did was not allow a young man? (i dont consider 21 a man) to be ripped apart in a mean an ugly manner.
i dont know the family. i dont knwo what is up. i dont know what this 21 yr old is all about. and i dont need to rip him apart because of what he said. i will leave it between mother and son. but i didnt see anything offensive or wrong in your posts.
so i agree with you once again.
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