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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:44 PM
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Sirius satellite radio has replace 144, AAR, with Korean programming
at least that is what is on right now

I guess the rumors that they were going to add a second progressive/liberal station didn't pan out

I will contact them to confirm it, but if that is the case I will be saying goodbye to Sirius

Won't go with XM until they have uninterrupted coverage of AAR
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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:47 PM
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1. check here
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #1
8. Hey guess what, I'm a rapper and I wrote a rhyme you might like.
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 12:58 PM by LoZoccolo
It goes like this:

You can't do that on the mic, but you'd never ever guess, G
You're short like Alisdair thinkin' you're tall as Kubusheskie
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #1
10. make that three.....ever listen to that ABC radio channel?
Hannity and others....every time I click past, it's RW BS
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:48 PM
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2. XM's AAR schedule SUCKS.
Just my 2 cents. :(
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:54 PM
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4. That is why I am not jumping to XM right now
if they ever do a complete uninterrupted broadcast of AAR I probably will

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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:52 PM
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24. Right now they are short 2 hours of Randi...
.. they carry everything else.. including all the weekend shows. Granted Malloy is on a delay, but he's at least there.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:45 PM
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97. randi is delayed also
For me they bring nothing to the table unless they broadcast the full AAR schedule

Sirius just lost me by filling 144 with Korean talk. No offense but what are they thinking?

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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:55 PM
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103. Randi is NOT DELAYED... and has NEVER BEEN DELAYED.
They run the last 2 hours LIVE and have done so since they started running the last 2 hours.

Way back in the beginning, they only had 1 hour of Randi, the last hour AND IT WAS RUN LIVE.

RANDI'S TWO HOURS ARE LIVE. PERIOD.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 07:55 PM
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112. sorry but the schedule they have on the XN site is the following:
Weekday Schedule:
5AM-6AM ET Rachel Maddow Dr. Rachel Maddow
6AM-9AM ET Morning Sedition Marc Maron, Mark Riley, Wayne Gilman
9AM-Noon ET The Jerry Springer Show Jerry Springer
Noon - 3PM ET The Al Franken Show Al Franken, Katherine Lanpher
3PM-5PM ET The Ed Schultz Show Ed Schultz
5PM-7PM ET The Randi Rhodes Show Randi Rhodes
7PM-10PM ET The Majority Report Janeane Garofalo, Sam Seder
10PM-1AM ET The Alan Colmes Show Alan Colmes
1AM-5AM ET Mike Malloy Mike Malloy

Randi starts her show at 3:00 P.M. so please tell me what happen to the first two hours of her show?

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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 07:57 PM
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113. In other words, we are losing the first two hours of Randii
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #103
117. at second look Rosco, actually the schedule is NOT quite as bad
as I thought

They do broadcast the Majority Report in full

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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:56 PM
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5. You would think an "exclusive satellite provider"
would provide the actual AAR schedule. Silly me.

I bought Sirius a year ago specifically for AAR.. I want my money back.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:57 PM
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7. call them, I think they will adjust you fee, unless of course
you signed up for a lifetime subscription
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:53 PM
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3. Are you talking about Alan Colmes?
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 12:54 PM by onehandle
He's not an interruption, He's the greatest Liberal ever broadcasted.

He should be on 24 Hours a day.

Goodbye, Al! Goodbye, Randi! Goodbye, Malloy! Goodbye, AAR losers!

All Alan, All the time!!!

They could call it......Fox News!!!!



I have sent letters to XM stating the same. No XM for me until it's truly Air America Radio.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:56 PM
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6. liberals/progressives get screwed again
this was a great opportunity for sirius to add stephanie miller, thom hartman etc., but they decided they don't need liberal listeners I guess

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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:58 PM
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9. Alan's radio show really isn't that bad
But he's not that good either.

XM should have been contractually obligated to carry the unmolested AAR schedule. AAR screwed up big time.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:40 PM
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44. We have to bitch to XM and AAR.
www.xmradio.com
www.airamericanradio.com
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Mr Rabble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #9
82. Youre right, it isnt that bad- it sucks.
Colmes is really pathetic.

Even worse is the fact that it is Fox Radio.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:04 PM
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12. UGH! Alan Colmes REALLY sucks! His show SUCKS
and there's NO WAY IN HELL he should be on instead of Mike Malloy! The same goes for Ed Schultz. While I like Ed a little more than Colmes, he's still not Randi Rhodes! Come on! There's NO COMPARISON. Ed is waaaaaaaay too 'moderate' for my tastes. :(
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #12
101. too bad Al Gore's venture, Current TV, didn't focus on progressive
issues
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:03 PM
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11. Ahyup....
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 01:05 PM by Rosco T.
I mean, what do you expect when they name the second conservative channel PATRIOT. Geeze...

They needed more money for their latest 'exclusive' signing...

RICHARD SIMMONS

http://www.sirius.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Sirius/Page&c=FlexContent&cid=1122672398939

(and no, I'm not kidding....)

Here's a new tiblet...

If my sources are correct, XM is DROPPING "Playboy Radio" as of 9/1. It's using the bandwidth of 1.5 normal channels.

Ponder.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. Rosco T.
Could you explain that to me? I honestly don't understand radio/technology/programming/bandwidth stuff. You can P.M. me. I won't tell any secrets. I promise.

Is XM going to move Schultz and Colmes????? Please g-d? Are they going to put them on another channel? Please g-d?
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. Sat Radio 101
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 01:49 PM by Rosco T.
Might as well explain it to everyone...

Both service (Sirius and XM) have a limited amount of BANDWIDTH to broadcast their signals, just like the 'normal' TV band has a certain amount of bandwidth to broadcast in. TV slices that up into a fixed number of CHANNELS (2-13 VHF, 13-63 UHF) with each given a certain range of the frequencies to stick their channels.

The SAT services however can dynamically adjust the amount of bandwidth they give each CHANNEL within their allocated frequencies. A MUSIC channel will take up more than a TALK channel. Generally (not precisely, but a good rule of thumb) you can figure that a MUSIC will have DOUBLE the bandwidth of a TALK channel, that can vary of course.

The MORE BANDWIDTH you give a channel, the CLEARER and more DEPTH you will have, the LESS and the more 'restricted' in range the sound would have. On XM the real-time traffic/weather channels each has about 1/5-1/6 (IIRC) the bandwidth of a normal TALK channel. They sound rather compressed, tinny and mono.. then again, all you are listening to is someone reading the traffic/weather. The MLB/ACC/PAC10 channels are about 2/3 the normal talk channel, still clear, but they are (effectively) mono.

Playboy was/is a 'premium' channel that had a significent amount of musical guests, so they got a little more.

As for Schultz/Colmes... I can't make a DEFINATIVE statement, but some points to consider:

- it's well known that Schultz HATES being associated with AAR (and the way he pot shots at Randi are also well known).

- Schultz want's all three hours of his show carried, not just 2 (just like Randi).

- Schultz is also wanting to expand his show to FOUR hours rather soon.

- Colmes isn't to fond of being on AAR either (since he will throw a smackdown their way)

There are things in the works to move Shcultz/Colmes off the channel, but there are these pesky things called CONTRACTS. Schultz & Colmes contracts PRE-DATE the start of AAR (in any form) on XM and won't be up for a bit. Once the Renewal comes up, from what I hear, you will see Schultz on a different channel, possibly with Stephanie joining him and some others. Colmes I don't know. Take a look a the Sirius Left channel and see who's cut/up, delayed, etc.

As far as the existing XM AAR sched goes, it's better than 99% of the OTA affiliates (Rachel, Morning Sedition and ALL of the weekend shows). The ONLY modifications are the 1st 2 hours of Randi replaced by Schultz and Malloy tape-delayed till after Colmes. If you listen to XM, you'll hear Malloy doing on-air XM Promos, so he can't be TOO upset.

ANOTHER DATA POINT. Up until FRIDAY, the 'inhouse' XM Promos for the AAR channel would be in several 'blocks', touting (for instance) Rachel Maddow, Morning Sedition and Al Franken, or the Schultz, Randi, Malloy pairing (they never mentioned Colmes except in seperate ads).

As of Friday, I think they have dropped all those promos (I haven't heard one, but I could have missed it) and now have a 'patriotic theme music' ad for Air America, touting the entire lineup with NO mention of Schultz/Colmes. Take that for what it's worth.

My 'ears' in the business tell me that they wanted to get this done already, but an 'obstacle in the contracts' have prevented it, sounds like someone dosen't want to do anything to give AAR a break. again, take that for what it's worth.

It. Will. Change.

Right now there are some SMOKING deals out there for the Roady2 Packages since they are clearing stock for the RoadyXT and XM Xpress (read about/see them here - http://www.xm411.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=17322&sid=9f9bea5194c67b28918dc883350b7395 and here http://www.xm411.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=17324 ) so if you're even remotely interested, now is a good time to snag one.

There is also an 'undocumented' deal around for service. If you call in when you activate (or afterward if you get a stubborn CSR), mention you got a flyer, heard about the 'half-price' deal for a year service... viola... 1 year service for $77. If you get an un-cooperative CSR when you activate, just go month-to-month and try again later..
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. Wow! Great post!
I think you should post this in its own thread so it could be recommended. very very good post and should quiet down some of the complaining about XM around here.
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:55 PM
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25. It won't quiet down anything...
.. People are still going to complain and I'll say that within a few posts I'll be getting lambasted for being an "XM Shill" again. I've been berated before, but hell, the truth is the truth.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:56 PM
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26. Dangit, Rosco. You darned "XM Shill"!
J/K. Didn't want to disappoint you! :)
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #26
33. (chuckle)... you get used to it...
kinda like being a Dem..

- you try to inform
- try to help (pass along good deals)

and you get vilified by someone with a axe to grind. Hell, I could tell you right now where to get a Roady2 Car Setup for $5 (after $45 rebate). I already mentioned the 1/2 price for a year deal that you can request. If you wanted an 'permanent' in-home tuner, there's the Polk Audio, Pioneer and others that have XM built in.. and a helluva lot of 'normal' radios were announced in the last week that are 'XM ready' all you have to do it plug in an XM antenna and there you go.. XM also has a pot full of their XM Direct units that will let you add it to factory head-units in the cars, INCLUDING some that are 'Sirius Ready'...

you'll never find a 'referral link' and anything I post, and never tell anyone to 'mention my name'.. but I'm still a shill and only in it for the money to some...

(sigh)
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. hahahahaha!
well, that's DU for you. still, I think it's interesting. I had suspected that about the bandwidth based on the way the traffic/weather channnel sounded, but it's neat to learn. I bought XM before sirius even existed so I've just stayed out of the whole fracas anyway.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #18
107. Daaaaaamn Rosco....Thank you so much! very informative.
You have made my day. I'll be stickin' with XM and looking forward to the new and improved schedule. :bounce:
I can't WAIT!
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drbtg1 Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #11
17. IF XM drops Playboy, are your sources telling you...
that they'll use the freed-up bandwidth to broadcast all of AAR?

Yeah, Sirius signed Richard Simmons and will do a three hours block on Sundays. But at least Richard Simmons will probably get the WHOLE three hours. ;)
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #17
19. Magic 8-Ball says...
"signs are positive" followed by "ask again later".
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #17
67. Okay, dumb questions
1) What kind of content would they put on Playboy radio? Do they play phone-sex or something?

2) Richard Simmons? The exercise guy? Does he have a radio exercise show or has he become a pundit?

3) How many people here feel betrayed that Jerry Doyle can spend five years making Babylon 5 and still learn nothing of the values and moral lessons the show taught? In other words, the real "Michael Garibaldi," conservative talkshow host, has joined Nightwatch and The Ministry of Peace. I say, feed Jerry Doyle to the Pak'ma'ra!
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #67
70. No Dumb Questions...
1 - basically, 'erotic talk radio', sex advice, etc..

2 - http://www.sirius.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Sirius/Page&c=FlexContent&cid=1122672398939

3 - AMEN! I would pay good money to turn Ivonava, G'Kar and Delenn loose on his skanky ass..
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #11
40. What's the purpose of "Playboy radio" anyway?
I mean it's one thing to say that you read the magazine for the articles, but get serious.... what is there to listen to in Playboy??

Now what's this about Richard Simmons being on a "Patriot" channel?? Did he just get deprogrammed by Exodus Ministries or something?

Seriously though, XM needs to get real and dump Schultz and Colmes. Though at least Colmes shows slightly more spine on the radio than he does on FAUX. Not enough to preempt the Mike Malloy show though. Not even close.
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #40
42. Not preempt, delay....
preempt would mean not on at all. Malloy is just on a 3 hour delay.

a minor point, but a point nonetheless..
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:06 PM
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13. A much-rumored channel shakeup is in the works for September...
Most believe that the placement of Radio Korea in stream 144 is a temporary placement. I'm giving Sirius 4-6 more weeks to publicize the final plans for that stream.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #13
60. I just heard today that, because of the way satellite tech is set up,
that they only can change channel setups, via satellite, twice a year

September is the time I heard mentioned

dunno if that means March is the other one

that doesn't explain how Korean crap is on now, though they had a Football game on last night on 143, IIRC
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. or was it 144?
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #60
92. I haven't heard of that limitation...
and quite frankly it doesn't make much technical sense, IMO.
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #92
95. There is no such limitation... XM reshuffles channels every weekend..
depending on the sports load... for instance, Sporting News Radio goes to a 'barker' stream during the weekend for the PGA. XM added a new channel today as a matter of fact.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #95
96. Sirius does that with NFL, NCAA Football/B-ball, NBA and NHL..
as well. (Hey, I'm a Sirius Shill, I do believe!).
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #96
98. You Sirus Shill!!!! You're trying to sell something!
I'm the only one reading this and I don't have Sirus you're SELLING SOMETHING...


(hee hee hee)
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #13
111. I want to wait 4-6 more weeks ...
here is my problem. I cannot stand listening to Alex Bennett. He called Cindy Sheehan 'inarticulate.' He's a showbiz guy. His political analysis stinks.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:12 PM
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15. I just paid $155 for 15 more months.
I specifically told the sales drone that I bought it for AAR on 144, and had heard the promises of a new liberal talk on 144 replacing it, he concurred, but he didn't have any specifics. I hope I can get my money pro-rated back.:grr:
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. good luck...they suck......if you put it on a credit card, you can tell
them to take it off after you demand satisfaction

I've had Sirius since last year, cause of AAR

got a new car with Sirius in it, and am siriusly thinking about cancelling if they don't put another left channel on 144

I'll settle for streaming AAR at home, along with lousy daylight AM
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #15
20. You'll get stuck with a $75 cancellation fee from Sirius...
.. XM does a straight pro-rate refund. No Cancellation Fee.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #20
29. Got a link to the small print, Mr XM salesman?
n/t
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #29
35. (see what I told ya??) However.. for the naysayer....
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 02:07 PM by Rosco T.
try looking on Sirius own website..

http://www.sirius.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Sirius/CachedPage&c=Page&cid=1065475754243

You should keep in mind that there may be additional fees when you activate, based on the following criteria:

- Termination of service prior to the end of a prepaid subscription or committed subscription period will result in a $75 cancellation fee. Fee does not apply for monthly plans.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #35
39. LOL...
You did warn us!
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #39
49. He didn't deny it either.
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 02:53 PM by Touchdown
Maybe you should see his history. He only shows up when the word SIRIUS is posted. And...repeats the same old magpie response about how great XM is and the "Roady 2" is excellent and a FANTASTIC DEAL! Don't wait! Now how much would you pay?! Has he tried to sell you that yet? :eyes:

His pre-emptive predictions are predictable in themselves.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #49
50. I am a Sirius subscriber...
but, I hope both survive. I know subscribers on both sides that get a little too passionate about their particular service.
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #49
51. You're full of crap also...
I've said more than once that I'v no connection to either Sirus (learn to spell will ya) or XM, get no money from them or even own any stock..

What I have said is that I spent 20 years in the broadcasting/recording business and I still have 'ears' in the business that I can talk to. Nothing that I can put on the record or attribute to any one person, but I can listen.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #51
53. Ok, I trust you. Your a fanboy then.
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #53
54. No, I just believe in telling people the Truth and the Facts...
someone has a great sig line I saw earlier..

"There are no stupid questions, just people too stupid to accept the answer".
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #54
59. Why are you responding to me, when I don't like you?
Go away. I have iTunes, get everything we're talking about on podcast now FOR FREE!, and you can shove all satellite radio, both sevices broadside. After 3 months, that "different songs" start repeating themselves just as bad as any terrestrial station does. Why pay for more "Don't Fear the Reaper" or "Stairway to Heaven"?
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #59
63. yes, why don't you go away.. since you're a podder...
they why should you care or give a damn... unless you just want to stir the shit and cloud the issue.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #63
71. Hey, you started it Sparky.
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 03:17 PM by Touchdown
You responded to me first. You just had to give that little $75 dig in there, didn't you? I'm not stirring any shit here. I, like many here are soured by the whole Sat radio shit going on, and we don't need the high priest of Roadys clouding our issues. Got it?

I care because I need my $133 back...which I got. No $75 deactivation fee. Not even a mantion of it. Take that back and place it in your "FACT LOG" for future reference.

EDIT: They gave me my entire $160 back. Waived August.
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #71
73. I gave a fact as stated on the website... you can't deal with the facts...
don't ask the questions.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #73
76. Yeah, but you gave it to me. Big mistake.
Every rule can be waived. You, "being in the business" should know that. If I didn't have XM, then why would you tell me what their refund policy is, unless you were trying to sell me something?
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #76
79. Let's see.. I said EXACTLY..
"You'll get stuck with a $75 cancellation fee from Sirius...
.. XM does a straight pro-rate refund. No Cancellation Fee."

Two statements of fact according to the websites of the respective companies. How is that 'selling something'??? And the "If I didn't have XM" crap.. you think you are the only person reading the thread..

Get over yourself...



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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #79
81. "Offer the truth and facts" -Closing the deal rule #428
Compare features, price, and service -#227.

Who cares what XM's refund policy is. They don't owe me any money. Why should I know that?
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #81
83. Like I said... YOU AIN'T THE ONLY PERSON READING THIS THREAD...
.. get over yourself.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #83
86. You didn't say that.
...Babe.
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #86
87. Yes I did (points up)
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #87
88. And this ends my notice of you... buh-buy.. you're on ignore. n/m
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #88
94. Thanks for conceding
:hi:
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #87
93. No, Orwell, you didn't.
"you think you are the only person reading the thread.."

I'll just leave framing a question in the form of a statement alone, and forget the punctuation error there.

you think you are...and...You are not are two different sentence openers.

Besides, if you think anybody else is reading this little pissing match, then your denser than I thought.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #93
99. Sadly enough TD...you're wrong.
I've wasted 10 minutes reading it. I have no idea why.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #99
108. Sorry about that. I was just having fun with him.
He might not be on commission, but if he's not a "paid advertiser" in the same vein as those paid Sony "critics" giving Sony's movies rave reviews, then he's certainly not being paid well enough to evangelize for Delphi or XM or whoever.

I used to belong to a home theater message board, and we'd see these company reps, posing as "Joe Consumer" all the time, claiming that their new amp, dvd player, Plasma TV, etc. was the absolute best on the market in it's class. Most of us saw right through them, because all their talking points were the same...

"I'm just talking the reported specs, and giving facts."
"This is just how I see it. You might disagree."
"Some might accuse me of being a Cambridge Soundworks/Mitsubishi/Pioneer, yada, yada, yada, salesman, but I'm just interested in the truth."

It's called "Targeted advertising", and has been around for a few years, which is why he's now on a Democratic/liberal/progressive board touting the marriage of AAR and XM.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #35
45. Don't need to try. You made the claim, you do the work.
Thank you for the link.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #45
48. Sheesh....it took all of about 30 seconds of "work".
From their Terms and Conditions page:

3. Cancellation Fee: If you cancel your Subscription prior to the end of a prepaid Subscription or committed Subscription period, we may charge you a cancellation fee of up to $75.00.


The key phrases being "may" and "up to".
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #48
56. Normally I would, but it was Rosco who told me.
He has as much credibility as Joe Isuzu, AFAK.;)
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #56
58. You seem to come in every time to try to discredit me.. does that make you
a stalker?
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #58
62. I don't know. Are you single and alone?
Should I shoot an elected official to prove my devotion to you?:eyes:
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #62
66. You a truly pathetic aren't you...
attack the person to try to discredit...

oh wait! I see, you're... you're...

KKKARL ROVE!!

if you can't add anything positive, why are you sticking your crap in this?
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #66
69. can't we all get along?
this is what happened when I started a thread about how Al Franken did two days in a row about the NARAL ad, and didn't mention the media's role in nailing said ad, compared to how they absolutely DROVE the swiftboat story
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #69
72. Hey.. all I did was pass on what I knew...
.. some people want to stifle that.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #72
85. I/m hip....just donning my messianic persona
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #85
90. You're cool :) Rational though is always appreicated. n/m
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #90
104. easy for me to say when I'm not involved....I appreciate the solid
info I've gotten from the 'combatatants' (Bushism?), though

may help me figure out what to say to them, and find out if there's a solution to my own problem w/Sirius

thx
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #104
105. No problem... information is the most important thing.... n/m
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #66
75. OOOH I'm hurt.
I bet you call my counterpart on Freeperville "Hitlery" don't you?

You responded to me first, Pal. You are not adding anything positive here. You are just trying to get people to buy shit!
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #75
77. Door. Ass. Hit. Take the way out.
You're just PO'ed I showed you that they could charge a $75 fee.

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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #77
78. I was here first.
Push me out, big boy!
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #78
80. Oh how macho.....
to quote Bugs Bunny ".. what a maroon".
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #80
84. Tar-rara-goonde-aye
I've seen them too. Wanna do the Unga-Bunga game now?
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #35
118. I cancelled today, and I did NOT have a 75 dollar cancellation fee
they credited my account for the remaining time


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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #20
30. I didn't
they cancelled me straight up and pro-rate refund

I had pre-paid for a 1-year subcription

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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #15
27. I just called and cancelled Sirius
no problem they credited back on my credit card

1-888-539-7474

Told them that the liberals/progressives have got to be pretty pissed off by what you did, and told him that I can even see the conservatives being so happy that you put a Korean stream on

bye bye Sirius

I will move to XM if they broadcast the full AAR schedule

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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:47 PM
Response to Original message
21. well, I tried listening to sirius left after
AAR left, and was seriously disappointed. Now I don't listen at all....except on the computer. (after investing over 500 bucks in equipment and subscription) I won't get xm unless they broadcast the full AAR schedule. I sure feel like I've just about had it with the whole satellite radio crap.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. I am with YOU.. I got very little for my $500 and the car adaptation thing
from the store has been replaced twice (warranty) but still a mjor pain,.. I still have to jiggle the wires to get it to work, half the time..

I wish I had waited..

I even bought a stereo system for the house with the correct plug in thingie on the back, but i lst the manual, and it's so complicated, i cannot figure out how to change the stattions..so i cannot even use the sirius thing inside the house..

I do like the new radio my kids bought me though..
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drbtg1 Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #23
32. Regarding jiggling the wires...
Make sure the antenna connector is tight. I had a loose connection there, but after adjusting the little metal wings to tighten the connection, the signal has been rock solid.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #23
34. my house signal goes off for HOURS at a time....another reason
I'm thinking about cancelling

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drbtg1 Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #34
38. Might need to move the antenna
The XM sats are stationary but the Sirius ones move (I'm sure someone can post the graphic showing this if you really want to see it). Originally, I had an antenna sticking out of the west side of my house. No good, and I'm sure the trees didn't help.

Now, I have my house antenna looking up through a skylight. No problems.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. I have very little leeway as far as moving around. that's the problem
it's weird, though....usually the problem is in the early AM, very often starting right at 5AM and lasting for hours

other times, it just goes out

extremely annoying

nothing much I can do....no access to skylights, roofs, etc.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. What direction does your antenna face?
Where do you live?
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #41
46. The satellite pattern goes almost right over Chicago...
slightly west, but I would imagine if you could get your antenna to point straight up and not be blocked by tall buildings to your immediate west, that would be ideal.

http://www.siriusradio.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Sirius/Page&c=FlexContent&cid=1069362249780

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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #46
68. thanks....I've tried straight up, now am aiming ~ NNW at about a
thirty degree angle, and that seems to get a good signal, except when it just cuts out for extended time periods

very frustrating, cause I've spent HOURS fiddling with that damn little POC, trying to get signal, and it, well, nevermind
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #41
47. Sounds like you are getting hit with 'changing coasts'.. (picture inside)
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 02:47 PM by Rosco T.
have a piccy..



Part of the time, the Sirus birds are only to the East or West and it has to switch off as the birds come in/out of view...

the XM birds are parked over the east/west coasts and don't move.. you have the both at the same time.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #47
55. Thanks! makes sense, as they tell me to aim for North Dakota
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 02:58 PM by Gabi Hayes
really pisses me off, cause late at night/early AM is mostly when I listen

so....why doesn't it affect my car reception, and shouldn't it affect enough people for them to do something?

course, seeing as how it's satellite trajectory, guess there's not much they'll claim they can do

if that IS the case, though, could be my tipping point for cancellation

thx again
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #47
64. To be fair....
two satellites are on at all times. They turn off and on at the equator.

Also, the XM birds are lower in the sky than the Sirius (and it is "Sirius" btw) birds. Thus, some XM subscribers have more trouble with objects (e.g. buildings) blocking their line-of-sight.
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #64
74. True.. however XM has a lot of ground-repeaters that cover dead-spots..
I know people that are in the northern part of buildings with ZERO southern exposure and get good signal on the repeaters (and the pisses off the NAB something fierce). And no, XM dosen't publish a map of the repeaters.. there is a magic key sequence you can push on most of the XM Recievers to show you the ground repeater strength.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #74
89. Sirius has many, many ground repeaters as well.
And they don't publish the maps either. Living in Dallas, I know I don't have any problem with reception regardless of some heavy tree canopy coverage around the house.

Sirius also has readouts on its PNPs that show satellite vs. ground repeater strength.
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #89
91. Wasn't sure about the Sirus ground network...
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 03:36 PM by Rosco T.
.. so didn't say. Good to know for those that need it.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:01 PM
Response to Original message
31. Yes I noticed this
It was rather strange, turning on the radio and hearing Korean :)
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drbtg1 Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #31
36. It could be the long awaited second liberal talk station
I just can't make out the words. :)
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:16 PM
Response to Original message
37. Well, here's another Sirius programming tibblet....
http://www.orbitcast.com/

The Word Network delivers 15,000 protest letters to SIRIUS

The Reverend Jesse Jackson and executives from The Word Network hand-delivered over 15,000 protest letters this week to Sirius Satellite Radio, arguing their decision to end Word Network broadcasts when the current contract expires on September 2nd.

Jesse Jackson is currently the host of The Word Network’s Rainbow Push with Jesse Jackson which broadcasts African-American ministries, gospel music and religious family programming.

Lewis Gibbs, vice president of operations for The Word Network, asked, “If Sirius can make room for the values Howard Stern represents, we’d also like them to make room for the values we represent.”
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:52 PM
Response to Original message
52. Maybe it's a progressive, liberal KOREAN station? With with Al Frankchoi?
Air Korea Radio with Al Frankchoi. Making the right-wing in kimchee.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:56 PM
Response to Original message
57. XM Radio came not to praise Al Franken but to bury him. I saw it coming.
And I bet you it will get worse.

Don't forget, XM Radio actually carries Dr. James "I-hate-fags-but-love-masturbating" Dobson.

I think XM's ultimate goal is to stifle AAR and limit-- eventually block-- their access to satellite radio.
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drbtg1 Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #57
65. I'm not sure I'll go that far...
...but for XM to tell people that you can go listen to AAR to "Get your daily marching orders" doesn't show me XM has a great deal of respect for one of it's exclusive partners.

http://www.xmradio.com/programming/channel_page.jsp?ch=167
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #57
100. In reality, it is about money with them
the one saving grace for AAR is they are getting OTA broadcasts

The "hate" radio is another reason I am NOT running to XM right now also, but the main reason is that they break up AAR, and delay broadcast it

What was Sirius thinking replacing 144 with Korean talk?

Liberals/progressives are really getting the short end of the stick
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #100
102. Still_One....
I am keeping the faith believing that a channel shuffle will occur in September as has been rumored since Spring. I think Korean talk will end up on another stream within 6 weeks.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #102
106. let's hope....meanwhile, I've become semi-fond of the young Turks
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 04:00 PM by Gabi Hayes
and Stephanie Miller can be pretty ffffin funny

the guy who does Bush is excellent

"I love....TOAST, heh heh"---he's got that little tinge of Beavis/Butthead going that accentuates the vapidity at the center of his being
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #106
109. I was quite impressed with them when they filled in..
.. for Laura Flanders a few weeks back. They sounded very good and sounded very pleased to be on AIR AMERICA (they mentioned it more than once).

Since they are NOT exclusive to Sirus (check their web page, they are on some OTA stations also) makes me wonder if they might take a weekend gig at AAR (instead of some of the endless 'Best of's.. or maybe....

Positive thoughts..
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #109
115. the young turks, stephanie miller, and thom hartman
are the only ones I really enjoy, and they cut off hartman by one hour, delay stephanie miller, and then only give us one hour, and I can't justify them with just the turks

Now that I cancelled my Sirius subscription today, I am sitting on the sidelines waiting to see which one will present the best progressive content.

Incidently, I received a pro-rated refund from Sirius on my remaining subscription, and no termination fee



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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #102
114. I hope you are right, but I sure got a different impression
when I called Sirius today. I cancelled Sirius today, because they don't offer enough progressive content for me, and I am NOT jumping to XM because they don't offer the complete uninterrupted AAR programming. My decision will be made by the following:

1. If XM comes through with uninterrupted AAR stream, they will have my business

2. If Sirius comes through with two progressive/liberal channels, with one giving the full content of Thom Hartman and Stephanie Miller, they will get my business

Who will be first?

Don't get me wrong, I hope you are right, but right now I am just going to wait it out to see who gets the most liberal/progressive content

Incidently, I have stock in SIRI which I will hold at least until Stern comes aboard, but that is a pure play that Stern will attrack at least 3 million new subs


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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 06:35 PM
Response to Original message
110. I'm with you, Xultar.
And I won't go with XM until they have uninterrupted coverage of AAR.

I'll give Sirius a few more weeks.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 08:14 PM
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116. This may not be the thing, but I got 2 way satellite at work, and now I
can stream everyone. It is so great. If you can get cable or DSL, go for it. I couldn't, so 2 way is the compromise. I sit at my cubicle and listen all day to what I want to hear.
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