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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 08:26 AM
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The silence is deafening
Where are the Republican voices regarding Camp Casey? I don't expect them to support what Cindy Sheehan is doing or saying, but why aren't they publicly speaking out against the harassment the protestors are suffering. They scream First Amendment whenever anybody tries to limit corporate campaign donations yet have no problem with "Free Speech Zones" miles from where Bush is speaking.

They have trotted out their favorite strawman - the Flag Burning Amendment -yet are silent when a pickup truck runs over and desecrates hundreds of American flags at Camp Casey.

They want the Ten Commandments posted everywhere and claim that "people of faith" are being persecuted by Democratic filibusters, yet are silent when hundreds of crosses planted by sincere people of faith are desecrated. Hypocrites, every one of them.

Bush has painted himself into a corner and too much time has passed for him to meet with Cindy Sheehan now. He won't or can't admit to making a mistake and is trapped in his own "stay the course" bullshit.

However, the fact that he hasn't spoken out and requested that the harassment stop implies that he enjoys what his surrogates and sycophants are doing. What a small, vindicative bully he is.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 08:29 AM
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They are staying "on message," which right now means
they are waiting for the story to die.

Unlike Democrats, who would say 50,000 different things about the simplest event, the Republicans will convey the same message 50,000 times about even the most complex story.
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 08:29 AM
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1. What I want to know is, Where are our SO CALLED Democratic
leaders??
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 08:37 AM
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6. Ted Kennedy said 95% of republican leaders are corrupt
and 75% of democratic. I'll bet he has it pegged. The time for any of the independant minds from any "party" to step out and be counted is right now, dammit!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:37 PM
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21. Kennedy and Kerry wrote support letters
Edited on Tue Aug-16-05 11:38 PM by FreedomAngel82
And so did Elizabeth Edwards.
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Im with Rosey Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 08:06 AM
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45. I read Elizabeth's letter
Did I miss the other letters of support somehow?
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evilqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:48 PM
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26. MN state senator is going to Crawford, so is FBI whistleblower
Former FBI whistleblower Coleen Rowley and Minnesota State Senator Becky Lourey are heading to Crawford to join the anti-war protest.

Lourey's son, Matt Lourey, was killed in Iraq on May 26 when the Army helicopter he was piloting was shot down. Rowley is now a Democratic candidate for Congress.


M o r e . . .
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 01:08 AM
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34. WoW Becky opening up her own wounds to help Cindy....
Very brave. And not many will know as she does what Cindy is really enduring inside. With all this chaos around there is still the constant fact that her beloved child is no more and the leader of our nation doesn't give a shit.... but some leaders do.

Glad to be a transplanted Minnesotan - over 20 years here.

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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 08:31 AM
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2. This brings an idea:
Edited on Tue Aug-16-05 08:31 AM by lildreamer316
who is that famous Christian preacher that is buddy-buddy with the Clintons? I'm blannking.....(sorry; very blonde)
I know it isn't a GREAT idea but if the REV. Jessie Jackson were to condemmn it as an attack on a Christian woman/ a non-Christian thing to do that would help.
We need to start canvassing OUR religious partners.
Quakers would be a WONDERFUL start.
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 08:36 AM
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5. Billy Graham?
I believe he is friends with the Clintons
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 08:40 AM
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8. That's the one. Duh
Sorry; brain is NOT working this AM.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 12:12 AM
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30. From what I understand he is very ill
:shrug:
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 12:25 AM
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31. I thought you meant Tony Campolo n/t
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:38 PM
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22. Where is Jesse anyways?
I know there was a guy named Rev. Johnson who was out there who was the youngest guy who marched with MLK and Coretta Scott King and Rosa Parks called her in support.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 08:32 AM
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3. The ultimate example (if I may say so)
of an absolutely useless human being. Totally beneath contempt and scorn.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 08:35 AM
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4. They are all vindictive bullies.
Hypocrites, one and all.

But where are the Democrats? Why isn't Kucinich down there? Or Dean?

Once again the mealy mouthed politicians can't just speak the truth like Cindy does.

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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 08:40 AM
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7. Personally, I think it is a good thing that they aren't there.
For the Dem leaders to go to Camp Casey would be all the rethugs needed to start screaming about Cindy's politicizing her son's death.

This is about a grieving mom and her questions for the idiot in chief. I think this anti-war groundswell will garner much more support if the politicians stay away.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 08:47 AM
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9. You are wholly correct.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 08:50 AM
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10. Okay, but do they have to be SILENT?
Oh, it's because they don't really want the US out of Iraq now do they?
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 08:52 AM
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11. Not sure how I feel about that, frankly.
I can't imagine for the life of me that Ted or John Kerry disagrees with Cindy Sheehan. But, knowing the right the way I do...(I actually knew Lee Atwater, ugh, shudder), I think they would be waiting with open arms to foist into the MSM that she is a political opportunist.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 08:56 AM
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12. Yeah, but they'll foist anything when they say
she is a traitor like OReilly said last week.

And hey, if Kerry agrees with Cindy that we should leave Iraq NOW, that's news to me. If he has changed his position since the election, I'd like to hear it.

After all, the War is a political opportunity. But only one for those with backbone and guts.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 09:02 AM
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13. What I meant by agreeing
was demanding answers about the noble cause. I don't remember reading anywhere that Kerry supports leaving Iraq now.

After reading Tom Laughlin's website, I do believe it is feasible to get out of Iraq now. It is an interesting site, lots of very intriguing comments about *.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 09:03 AM
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14. Who is Tom Laughlin?
Got a link?
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 09:14 AM
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15. Sorry, dating myself.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 09:15 AM
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16. Who pays for dinner?
;)

Billy Jack! Thanks!
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 03:03 AM
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39. Kucinich hasn't been silent:
http://kucinich.us/

Also, he and how many others signed a letter in support of her message?

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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:39 PM
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23. Colleen Rowley
and a Minnesota state legislator whose child was killed in Iraq were going down there. I don't think that will hurt, but in general I believe that prominent Democrats can probably support Cindy more effectively from afar than from being personally in Crawford.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:40 PM
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24. Yes
It's about the people. And plus what could the democrats do? :shrug: Maxine Waters went down there to visit her.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 01:34 AM
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37. good point. i didn't think of that.
it probably should be more of a "moms support cindy" rather than the democratic politicians.

i was listening to ed schultz on the air america station in chicago today (they put him on as a three hour interlude between al franken and randi) and there was a "soccer mom" who was on her way to crawford with another soccer mom. (she went on to explain that their boys are in their early twenties now--but they still consider themselves soccer moms and they want to show cindy some support)
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 10:32 PM
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17. Kucinich is getting married this Sunday
Might be a nice honeymoon trip.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 12:02 AM
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28. this Sunday?
great! now he can be a legit Pres. candidate. . .

end
:sarcasm:

dp
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 01:16 AM
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35. exactly!!!
and boxer? i would have expected her to come out and support cindy at the very least!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:34 PM
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18. Please, everyone, nominate this superb post!!
Thank you.


Peace.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:36 PM
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19. after RoveGate, you expect any Rethugs to do something??
Edited on Tue Aug-16-05 11:36 PM by LSK
:rofl: :rofl:

They have proven that party supercedes EVERYTHING ELSE.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:37 PM
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20. I think only Allen has said something
He said that Bush should meet with Cindy. No other republicans I know of. Oh and on Stephanie Millers show earlier this week she read from DailyKos a conservative blogger who said that Bush should meet with Cindy.
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StefanX Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:40 PM
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25. That's a very good point about the flags
Edited on Tue Aug-16-05 11:43 PM by StefanX
Republicans always act as if it's Dems who are running around desecrating flags.

Looks like desecrating flags is actually a Republican thing. That pickup truck driver is lucky his Repub masters never got around to passing that law banning flag desecration.

Interesting how they're always doing the stuff they're accusing us of doing. Being anti-troops, desecrating flags, spending like drunken sailors, being weak on defense...





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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 12:52 AM
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33. They are masters of the art of PROJECTION.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 11:56 PM
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27. SILENCE KILLS
<>
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 06:57 AM
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43. Deborah Mathews reporting at the courthouse in Waco....
Edited on Wed Aug-17-05 06:58 AM by sattahipdeep
"Theirs is an important issue, but they need to move.
We are a strong, German family community.
We'll weather this. We're not saying stop; we're saying move."

http://198.65.14.85/News/2005/31-40/33news11.htm

The desendents of who? (Prescott Bush?)
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texanwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 12:03 AM
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29. Bush is really inbetween a Iraq and a hard place. If he speaks out
against what has happen to the crosses he pisses of his base on the far right. If he stays silent he has given his approval.

My guess is he will stay silent and hopes it all goes away.

Bush can't ride his little bike fast enough to escape this.:hide:
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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 12:51 AM
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32. He's a very busy man, ya know!
Edited on Wed Aug-17-05 12:52 AM by dxstone
People to torture, a world to destroy...
And let's not forget: He's gotta keep a "balanced life" if he
wants to be at his best for this important work...

Riding your bike is HARD WORK!



"IT WAS A NIGHT JUST LIKE THIS... I SEEN THE
WORST ACCIDENT I EVER SAW!"--Large Marge

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ps: Great post, sc! We gotta keep the pressure on!
Kicked & nommed!
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 01:25 AM
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36. It's all about trying to hush up the issue
they will say nothing, they will do nothing. It's a big festering sore and they just want it to go away.
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 02:58 AM
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38. Yeah, and they are the first to cry...
...when moderate Muslims aren't speaking out and denouncing extremist Muslims. This is the same damn thing.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 03:11 AM
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40. fred barnes referred to her as a "crackpot" of late...
republicans have dispensed their talking points to their mouth pieces, they wont be seen, or for that matter heard; 'tasking' cindy sheehan so close to their polling numbers imo. they'll leave the limbaugh-hannity-o'really o'rielly-skinny bug eyed republican mean girl hate machine to portray her efforts (which they are beginning to do in earnest) as circus-like while sidling away. they sense, and sometimes rightly, that america 2005 = soon to be 2006, is borderline apathetic; it is for them a waiting game; waiting for the clock to run out again imo
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neonplaque Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 06:12 AM
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41. A Hot Potato. They aren't gonna touch this... and neither are Dems
This is between Cindy and George. This is not a partisan issue. The Dem and Rep leaders are going to stear clear of saying much, if anything at all.

And I don't want Michael Moore, Sean Pean or any other big anti-war celbrity treking down to Crawford either.

It's Cindy's show. The best thing is for ordinary regular folks to be the visible ones supporting her.... Cindy's mission doesn't need propped up by other politicians or celebrities.

So if you can, get down to Crawford. I wish I could make it-- reading the description of the great meals has my mouth watering. And it seems they now have plety of space for all comers.




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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 06:16 AM
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42. our leaders are usually silent when it comes to "reality"....all the fake
shit they pass on their bills they can talk for hours
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 07:42 AM
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44. I agree!
Keep the partison politics out of it,keep the "big names" out of it, and go to Crawford (or DC) if you can.

OUR role is to let the people be heard and spread the word and hold these people accountable.

WE must get the REPUBs to investigate the DSM and TREASON--that is our job--even if we have to "camp out" in their districts and boot them out next year!
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