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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 07:55 AM
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So when are we supposed to die in the nuclear attacks?
Sorry, have a hard time believing this story that some people here are whipped into a froth about.

Can the people pushing this tell me:

How a general being fired under strange circumstances before an exercise involving a response to a nuclear attack means one is actually going to happen?

How a computer virus disrupting only CNN for one evening means that the press is being shut down before the attack, even though every blog and news site on the internet still works fine?

How a government paper about prison work programs means that thousands of dissidents are going to be rounded up?

How a police chief retiring somehow confirms this attack is going to happen?

Also, just because you buy "potassium iodide" pills from ebay doesn't mean the pills actually contain potassium iodide, I would be highly skeptical about any drugs I got from ebay.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 07:58 AM
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1. Sorry, I haven't heard about any of that. Are you spreading rumors?
seriously.. how many people here are actually "whipped up in a froth" about this? 2?
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 07:58 AM
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2. 666 posts.You are the Anti-Christ.
Thought you could fool people,didn't you?
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 08:01 AM
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5. Bingo!
BTW, according to the Shrubsters, we were all supposed to die in a nuclear holocaust at the hands of Saddam Hussein in 2003 if we didn't rush to war in March of that year to stop him.
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evilqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 08:09 AM
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11. "The End of the World is Nigh!"
Centuries of this kind of crap. I bet every major city has a fanatic preaching this sort of stuff on some street corner somewhere.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 08:13 AM
Response to Reply #11
12. Our "fanatics" weren't on street corners - they were at 1600 Pennsylvania
Avenue.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:29 AM
Response to Reply #11
28. Eons
:D

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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:56 AM
Response to Reply #28
43. fun here too
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 07:59 AM
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3. You forgot the prison planet link.
:evilgrin:
People are actually buying potassium iodide pills ?
:banghead:
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 08:01 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. pills from ebay?
now that's risky behavior.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 08:09 AM
Response to Reply #4
10. I think they give you a discount if you buy a case of duct tape.
And don't forget the gas masks.
Army surplus gas masks will protect you.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 08:30 AM
Response to Reply #10
16. yes and give me some
of that ever ready body armor too. And all that.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #16
29. We're having a sale on this style:
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:37 AM
Response to Reply #29
31. ...


:P
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 08:31 AM
Response to Reply #10
17. so it's a plot
by "Big Duct" too sell tape!!!!!
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:26 AM
Response to Reply #17
26. Yes. The BFEE owns the majority
of the duct tape manufacturing plants and nobody knows about it because there's no proof.
We just know they do because they lie about everything else.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 08:56 AM
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19. I did't get the plan for war games on 9/11 there
It came from McKinney
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 08:03 AM
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6. Here's some thoughts
Edited on Wed Aug-17-05 08:03 AM by Minstrel Boy
from a post yesterday on my blog that seems appropriate here:


When the other shoe drops, it probably won't be the one we're expecting. But you know what? After all our studious anticipation, we'll know enough to know it's a shoe, and who dropped it. And there's also this: there is the possibility that public expectation - raising our own terror alert over "chatter," suspicious movements and exercises - could possibly forestall synthetic terror events. Why not? It's the same logic Tom Ridge applied to measure the success of Homeland Security. It can never be verified but I have to wonder what might have not happened if, before 7/7, someone had got wind of the drills and posted "Look out, London: the morning of July 7 there's an 'anti-terror' simulation of simultaneous detonations of three bombs at the following stations." (A "fear-mongerer" might have added "OMG, Giuliani's going to be in town!") If the news of the drill had entered public conciousness beforehand to the degree that Fort Monroe's drill has in Charleston - this was a front page story - it's difficult to imagine the bombings proceeding as planned. And so, when no bombs exploded, those who had sounded the alarm would likely think they'd gotten excited over nothing, and might be reticent to do the same again. In such a scenario, this is the price of success: ignorance.

So we shouldn't be shy on Thursday, after the world hasn't blown up more than usual on Wednesday, about sharing what we see, next time we see an ominous convergance of opportunities. It's not forecasting - we've already done that to the limits of our knowledge when we say Americans can expect 90% probability of more of the same - it's saying This is probably nothing, but - Heads up. We're not crying wolf here. After all, we know there is a wolf, and we know him well enough to know he'll strike again when he has the chance and the need. But perhaps, the closer we observe him, and the more vocal we are about it, the more we reduce his chances. His need - there's not much we can do about that.

There may be some magical thinking involved in this. If you don't want doomsday to come, assign a date to it. But given the times, we could do worse.
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/08/doom-days.html
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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 08:08 AM
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9. I agree with you, I like to be as informed as I can
But by that logic I could make up anything and if it doesnt happen claim I prevented it.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #9
15. Do you know about the war games on 9/11
Edited on Wed Aug-17-05 08:48 AM by seemslikeadream
don't you?


Representative Cynthia McKinney Rocks Rumsfeld on War Games
"Mr. Chairman, I have a question"

On-the-Record:
Representative Cynthia McKinney Rocks
Rumsfeld on War Games

By
Michael Kane

© Copyright 2005, From The Wilderness Publications, www.fromthewilderness.com . All Rights Reserved. May be reprinted, distributed or posted on an Internet web site for non-profit purposes only.


Hurriedly I made contact with her staff and forwarded a number of PDF files so that when her time came and on national television, McKinney could finally, in a public forum, hold those responsible for 9/11 accountable with the proof in her hands and demand an answer. These were the same files I had acquired during my research for Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil. McKinney was to be well-armed with assistance from other tenacious 9/11 researchers and there would be no escape.

Unless it came time for lunch.

Having lost her seniority after a successful 2002 Israeli-funded and Republican Party-managed campaign to unseat her, McKinney's chance to question Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld and Joint Chiefs Chairman General Richard Myers was pushed aside until the hearings were about to be closed. It appears the bears knew what was coming and had neatly dodged a bullet.

Not quite.

Although the American people were deprived of an on-the-record answer about who was running the wargames which paralyzed official response on 9/11, Cynthia McKinney let it be known (on the record) that we knew and would not forget. As she found a way to get her question on the record, she gave us all a priceless Kodak moment: one that ranks right up there with the reaction I evoked in public from then CIA Director John Deutch in 1996.

The point here is not that 9/11 is suddenly back on the table, somehow available for resolution and justice. It's a long way from a question from a junior member of the minority party asking a question to an impeachment, conviction and imprisonment. The election is still over. The compromised Keane Commission has still closed its doors. No further investigations or legal proceedings are pending. The media has still moved on and the court system and congress are still willfully impotent.

But courage endures. And as long as there is someone like Cynthia McKinney on Capitol Hill there will be moments - wonderful moments like the one captured on the attached video - which prove that we have not gone away or forgotten and that we still have the will to speak.

For those of us who spent years investigating 9/11, the research and evidence we have compiled will always be within arm's reach, awaiting these golden moments. As new threats and challenges overtake us and demand our focus in "the now" we stand ready to jump on any miracle that presents us with an opportunity to remind the world that murderers still walk free, still in power. Like blades of grass growing steadfastly up through the sidewalk we will never surrender our ability to speak truth to power.

God bless Cynthia McKinney. - MCR]

March 1, 2005, PST 1200 (FTW): On February 16, 2005, Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney asked Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Richard B. Myers the same question this reporter asked General Ralph "Ed" Eberhart at the final 9/11 commission hearing:

What about the war games?

The Full House Armed Services Committee met to receive testimony on the Fiscal Year 2006 National Defense Authorization budget request from the Department of Defense. As the meeting wound down to its expected end, Secretary Rumsfeld prepared to leave. Congressman Duncan Hunter (R-CA), who chaired the hearing, asked the Secretary to commit to a breakfast with Representatives who had not yet asked their questions. Secretary Rumsfeld happily agreed to do so.

At that moment Cynthia McKinney made sure to get the following vital question into the Congressional Record.

Transcript, February 16, Rumsfeld and Myers questioned by Cynthia McKinney:

Cynthia McKinney: Mr. Chairman, I have a question.

Duncan Hunter: The Gentle-lady is recognized.

McKinney: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Would that breakfast with the Secretary be open to the public?

Hunter: Well, if you want to bring all the omelets it might be, but ah -

McKinney: Well Mr. Chairman, the problem is - and I appreciate your adherence to the five-minute rule - however there are many of us who have important questions and my question in particular is about the four war games that were taking place on September 11th and how they may have impaired our ability to respond to those attacks.

Mr. Hunter: Well let me say the gentle lady...



McKinney: I would like that question to be answered in public Mr. Chairman.

Hunter: Let me say to the gentle lady we're going to have other opportunities to have the Secretary in front of us and what we will do beyond having questions, if you want a question for the record, be able to put that to the record and have the answer on the record, but additionally at the next event where the Secretary testifies - we'll try to make sure that happens - we will start with the folks who did not get their question answered so you will have an opportunity.

McKinney: Thank you so much Mr. Chairman, and I hope the record is still open so that even that portion of my comment will be on this record.

Hunter: It will be so ordered.

McKinney: Thank you Mr. Chairman.

-- end of transcript

At this point Representative Skelton (D-MO) asked a visibly flustered Donald Rumsfeld if in the future a classified briefing could occur on the recommendations given by General Luck and his team to the Secretary.

This helped to bury McKinney's question (and by necessity, the process continues: DoD has posted a peculiar "transcript" of the meeting's final moments, from which Representative McKinney's question has been thoroughly deleted), giving Rumsfeld a way to divert attention from the issue she had skillfully placed on the record. Rumsfeld responded to Skelton's question without addressing McKinney's at all. The only response to her question came in the form of both Rumsfeld and Myers' rapid hand movements and off-microphone murmurs. The issue seemed to knock Rumsfeld off-balance, affecting him as it had affected Ralph "Ed" Eberhart at the final 9/11 Commission hearing.

It's unlikely that "No comment" will be an acceptable reply to Representative McKinney's question. Eberhart got away with that when responding to this reporter, and has since retired from his post heading both NORTHERN COMMAND and NORAD. His retirement came immediately after the 2004 presidential election. It appears "no comment" will be his final word on the matter, but that will not be the case for Secretary Rumsfeld and General Myers.

Who was in charge of coordinating the multiple war games running on 9/11? Crossing the Rubicon has already answered this question in spades. But maybe, just maybe, with her return to Capitol Hill Cynthia McKinney has kept alive a flicker of hope that the crimes of 9/11 may yet shake up the US government.

The courage and directness of this fearless woman never cease to amaze us. She has let it be known that she will be a perpetual thorn in the side of the administration for at least the next two years.




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In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.

Open Letter to Richard A. Clarke regarding War Games, 9/11 Timeline and Myers/Rumsfeld Testimony

From: Kyle Hence
February 23, 2005
Open Letter to Richard A. Clarke, former counter-terrorism 'czar' for both Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. Author, Against All Enemies: Inside America's War on Terror
http://www.911citizenswatch.org/modules.php?op=modload& ...

Subject:
Pertaining to accounts in Clarke's book Against All Enemies, neither retracted or refuted, regarding 9/11 war games and the participation of General Myers and Sec. Rumsfeld in a video conference managed from the White House Situation Room by Richard Clarke with the assistance of his Deputy, Roger Cressey.

Note of Explanation:
This letter/email was presented (via email or in person) to Mr. Clarke on four occasions without a response of any kind to the specific questions raised regarding the actions (or lack of) from our military and top officials in positions of responsibility on 9/11. Given no response, and Rep. Cynthia McKinney's attempt to raise the issue at February 16th Armed Services Committee hearing, CitizensWatch is taking the step of making this letter public.

This letter (see below) with questions pertaining to 9/11 (wargames, sworn testimony by Rumsfeld & Myers) was first sent as an email in June of 2004 to Mr. Clarke via his consulting company, Good Harbor. This note and these questions were presented personally to Mr. Clarke a second time on October 6, 2004 - and via email (3rd attempt) directly to his personal email box on October 15. When presented with a second opportunity in person (4th attempt) to respond to these queries backstage at a December 7th function at the Institute for Ethical Culture in New York City, Mr. Clarke refused to acknowledge the author and instead quickly left the room.

Receiving no response despite repeated attempts I am now releasing this to the public as an 'open letter' in the hopes responsible members of the press, family members and/or dedicated investigators will follow up publicly and personally with Mr. Clarke and the Commissioners who failed to examine the glaring discrepancies between Clarke's accounts and those offered in public statements and in sworn testimony by Chairman Myers and Sec. Rumsfeld.

It should be noted that Richard Clarke is the only member of the Bush Administration to publicly apologize to the 9/11 families. While generating controversy at the time, his testimony before the 9/11 Commission regarding the warnings and plan for dealing with Al-Qaeda that he presented to Condi Rice and the Bush Administration in January of 2001 has been recently bolstered by the release of an unclassified version of his January memo to then National Security Advisor Rice.

This controversy could pale in comparison, however, to what could be revealed in sworn testimonies before the appropriate Committee regarding Sept. 11th war games (including "Vigilant Warrior" mentioned by Gen. Myers on the morning of Sept. 11th), changing NORAD timelines and the testimony already offered by Chairman Myers and Sec. Rumsfeld regarding their whereabouts and actions taken in the first and most critical minutes immediately following the attack on the World Trade Center. {see pages 1-7; Against All Enemies)

This is being made public now in an effort to force this issue into the public's eye and ultimately to see full accountability and disclosure. Another 9/11 commemoration must not pass without these issues being addressed forthrightly and honestly before the American people; either in Manhattan before an AG Spitzer or DA Morganthau-convened Grand Jury or public hearings, in Albany before the appropriate Committee or on Capitol Hill. We offer this in hope that those with integrity in a position of responsibility will rise to this challenge. In this case above all others we must not allow the truth to continue to be veiled or obfuscated.

Kyle F. Hence
Co-founder, 9/11 CitizensWatch
February 23, 2005

kfh@911citizenswatch.org


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Sent originally in June '04 via email to Good Harbor Consulting; Presented directly to Mr. Clarke on October 6th at a speaking engagement in New Jersey. A follow-up email was sent directly to his personal email box following the October meeting and his signing of my copy of his book, Against All Enemies. Another attempt to get answers to these questions was rejected on December 7th at the Institute for Ethical Culture in New York City.
Dear Mr. Clarke,

Yesterday I had the pleasure of a brief discussion regarding the events in the White House Situation Room on the morning of September 11th with your then Deputy and now partner, Roger Cressey. He was helpful in answering a few questions. Seeing as I didn't expect him to answer when I rang a number I wasn't sure about, I was not entirely prepared with my questions. Thankfully he offered to make himself available in the future and encouraged me to email you via your Assistant, Ms. Roundtree, for questions I wanted to address to you specifically.

Before I get to my specific queries I should say that I have been running a Citizens watchdog group since March of last year monitoring the course of the investigation of the September 11th attacks. I've attended all the hearings and been successful in putting key questions and areas of inquiry on the radar for the Commission though they have not been sufficiently addressed them in their report.

Currently we are preparing to publish a response to the 9/11 Commission Report and are in the midst of attempting to review their 'findings of fact and circumstances' and their timeline; and where appropriate challenge them with substantiated and credible conflicting accounts or evidence. I appreciate whatever details and corroboration you can offer us to help us in this effort.

Roger said that both you and he were questioned for many hours by the 9/11 Commission Report. I guess I'd like to start there if I may:

In your book, from my reading of your account, the Video Conference with links to the CCC at the OSD, the FAA, etc began sometime between 9:08AM approximately when you arrived at the White House but well before 9:27AM, the time you recounted in the book immediately following detailed exchanges you had with General Myers and prior to that with Jane Garvey at the FAA.

Is this accurate?

Since your book and the Report has been released have you had opportunity to confirm your version of the timeline of events with others who were present?

Given your account, is it accurate to say that both Gen. Myers and Sec. Rumsfeld were involved in discussions about how to respond to the attack? And again, before 9:27AM?

Roger said he remembered clearly seeing Rumsfeld sitting at the CCC on screen at the Video Center when he arrived before 9:30AM. In your account, while you mention the presence on Rumsfeld on the Conference from the outset when Lisa Gordon-Hagerty started taking the roll, was he involved in any substantive discussions regarding the need for issuing orders for military response, the scrambling of planes for intercept of any of the most threatening of the 11 targets that Jane Garvey had identified, or putting a CAP over D.C.?

Or was this issue handled entirely by Gen. Myers and his uniformed staff as recounted in your book?

In either your testimony before the Commission or in the private interview, did you convey the above timeline and details?

I imagine you are well aware of the Commission's account of the videoconference and that it conflicts with the account in your book.

Obviously the bottom line here to put it to you bluntly, did they get it right?

And are you standing by your account including the timeline and the participation in the conference by both Myers and Rumsfeld from Defense?

The report maintains that the videoconference did not begin until 9:40AM. (see page 36 of the Report). Roger says it was underway when he arrived in the Situation Room before 9:30AM and your account has it starting around a half hour earlier. What's the truth here? Can you help me resolve this discrepancy; it's seems a serious one?

Given this discrepancy are you concerned about the implications of such a possible distortion of the public record as it is reflected in the report?

Thank you for taking the time to consider these questions. I know your time is valuable. I have just a few more questions if I may.

1) From what location did Gen Myers join the videoconference? Was he too, along with Rumsfeld, at the CCC in the Office of the Secretary of Defense?

2) At any point during the first half hour of the conference did the conference include or communicate directly with the NMCC?

3) Is there a direct secure line between the CCC and the NMCC?

4) Are you aware of any communication regarding a CAP or scramble and intercept orders being conveyed by either General Myers or Sec. Rumsfeld to the NMCC?

5) Defending D.C.:
While I understand that military jets from two squadrons at the highest state of readiness at Andrews were not formally part of NORAD on the morning of September 11th, can you tell me if there were any jets there that morning in standard readiness at D.C. area bases to protect P-56 or the Pentagon airspace?

If yes, were these planes scrambled and if so, when and from where? In other words, was the non-NORAD defense option--involving normal P-56 defense--for the Capitol identified and employed that morning?

And if not, why not from your position in the circle of those responding that morning?

When did you first hear of a possible threat to D.C. either from the so-called phantom flight 11 or from flight 77?

Did the Andrews AFB based jets on practice bombing runs over North Carolina (confirmed by John Farmer of the Commission and reported in the press) factor into defense options? For example, speculating for a moment from my position of ignorance, did these exercises involving three planes from Andrews leave D.C. without strip alert fighters armed and ready that morning?

Finally, did the NORAD war games (Vigilant Guardian, Vigilant Warrior, Northern Vigilance) being run on 9/11 impact in any way, positively or negatively, the response by the military that morning?

Was there any involvement from the White House in the war games?

Who was ultimately responsible for monitoring and running these exercises? And for being sure there was a 'firewall' between the games and 'real life'?

Were any of the 11 potential hijacks on the FAA system radar 'injects' part of the war gaming?

Re. the Vice-President. When did he reach the PEOC? My reading of your account has him headed down there some minutes after your arrival at the WH but well before 9:27AM. Was the PEOC linked to either the Video Center, the NMCC or the CCC during the critical minutes before the Pentagon strike? When did you first have the VP on an open line at the PEOC?

On any of these questions if you cannot answer for whatever reason perhaps you could direct me to someone who could. The pieces are starting to fall into place and your support could be critical to our own, we believe ultimately, more accurate report.

If you would prefer to meet in person for an interview I would be happy to arrange to come to Washington. A half an hour is all I would need should you be interested in further helping us clarify the record here.

Alternatively, may I follow up with you by phone at some point before we conclude our report?

Your willingness to take the time to help us sort this out is much appreciated.

Sincerely,

Kyle F. Hence
9/11 CitizensWatch
kylehence@earthlink.net


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The following questions had been prepared in advance of Mr. Clarke's appearance at the Institute for Ethical Culture in New York City on December 7th, 2004:

Discrepancies in accounts regarding Rumsfeld and Myers

In addition to answers to the above questions can you explain why in your second edition of your book coming out AFTER the 9/11 Report (the first edition have come out before the final report) when you clearly had the opportunity you did not address the very serious discrepancies between your accounts of the whereabouts and involvement of General Richard Myers, then Acting Chairman of the Joints Chiefs of Staff, and Defense Secretary Rumsfeld in the response to the terrorist attacks in the critical thirty minutes prior to the attack on the Pentagon?

Your account which I confirmed personally with your former deputy and now business partner Roger Cressey, places Myers at a location where he is seen by way of the video conference you were running from the White House situation room? Whereas, Myers' own account repeated in the 9/11 Report has him in a breakfast meeting and presumably incommunicado until he leaves the office of Max Cleland to head to the Pentagon where en route, he says, he saw smoke rising from the Pentagon. Similarly, Rumsfeld claims he is out of the loop (echoed again by the Commission) but your account places him on your videoconference not long after the second tower was struck around 9:10AM EST. Furthermore, Mr. Cressey informed me personally by phone from his home that when he arrived at the Situation Room at approximately 9:35 he recalled clearly seeing Rumsfeld on screen in direct contradiction to Rumsfeld's public statements and the 9/11 Commission Report.

9/11 War games/Terror exercises - Vice-presidents role…

At a recent speaking engagement in Northern Californian I understand that you were asked by a member of the audience if on the morning of 9/11 Cheney was coordinating war games including ones involving false radar injects and live mock hijacked aircraft. According to the conversation as it was related to me, you corrected her saying that Cheney was NOT responsible for coordinating the war games that just happened to coincide with the actual attacks but that we was in charge of overseeing these war games.

Would you please for the benefit of all Americans and in the interest of full disclosure confirm for us what VP Cheney's role was in these war games, particularly Vigilant Warrior?

Were you involved in any way of the field-training exercise you mentioned in your book, Vigilant Warrior? Can you confirm that it involved live-fly hijackings? That it involved multiple radar 'injects' on FAA radar?


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http://www.911citizenswatch.org


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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:43 AM
Response to Reply #15
34. Thank you for posting these SeemsLikeADream. There are still some
that are unaware of this.

Mr. Chairman, I have a question. Video

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/mp3/McKinney.rm



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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 08:24 AM
Response to Reply #6
14. Excellent as always.
:yourock:

---------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 08:03 AM
Response to Original message
7. And when the attack doesn't happen they will give themselves credit
for stopping it. They will claim that their vigilance in spotting and publicizing the nefarious plan made it unworkable so the evil Rove had to call it off.
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 08:05 AM
Response to Original message
8. you're just in denial!
it's on ALEX JONES! so it must be true!!!
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 08:38 AM
Response to Reply #8
18. Oh....Alex Jones!
Well, why didn't you say so in the first place?!? Now, I believe it all. ;)
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:12 AM
Response to Reply #8
21. YES BY ALL MEANS PUT YOUR FAITH IN THE ESTABLISHED PRESS
Edited on Wed Aug-17-05 09:15 AM by seemslikeadream
EAT JUDITH MILLER UP

SHE'LL TELL YOU THE TRUTH WON'T SHE? YES THE ESTABLISHED USA PRESS THEY'LL GIVE IT TO YOU STRAIGHT.



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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4376207


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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:46 AM
Response to Reply #21
35. Why would you put your FAITH in any source at all?
Seems silly. I put my faith in my own judgement after weighing all available sources.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:47 AM
Response to Reply #35
37. When did I ever say I put my faith in any source?
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #37
41. I'm looking at the compendium of your posts on this thread.
Edited on Wed Aug-17-05 09:50 AM by tx_dem41
Its pretty easy to conclude what I stated, actually.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #21
63. Your Caps Lock of Paranoia
Certainly changed my mind.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 08:14 AM
Response to Original message
13. Welcome to george bush's Amerimacka Did ya hear 'bout Turkey?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1706628&mesg_id=1706628
http://www.cs.wisc.edu.nyud.net:8090/~craft/bush/bush_psycho.jpg

Amerimacka

Miss Liberty turn inna Jezzabelle
All de dreams you go sell, de whole dem turn inna hell
Her bed of roses are filled with thorns
Her righteous robes are tattered and torn

If she had only stood for love
That would have been enough
She wouldn’t have to hide her shame
If she had only stood for love
That would have been enough
But now she’s burnt us all with her flames

Amerimacka
Oh what a beautiful life
Amerimacka
Is like licking honey off a knife

Amerimacka
Oh what a beautiful sight
Amerimacka
Oh what a beautiful life

The land of the free built on slavery
Our consciousness in captivity
The promise land is the liar’s den
Your culture of greed has got to end

Now we’re laying in the mud
Looking up above
Tear water just ah drop from the sky
They try to keep us in the mud
Separating us from love
But me nah go let dem conquer de I

Amerimacka
Oh what a beautiful life
Amerimacka
Is like licking honey off a knife

Amerimacka
Oh what a beautiful sight
Amerimacka
Oh what a beautiful life

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:01 AM
Response to Original message
20. BUSH'S PLAN FOR PEACE IS THE PEACE OF THE COMMON GRAVE

EVERY DEATH CREATES NEW ENEMIES

MORE TERRORISTS

MORE DANGER

MORE DEATH

AND REMEMBER...

HE IS JUST GETTING STARTED...

BUSH'S PLAN FOR PEACE

IS THE PEACE OF THE COMMON GRAVE


http://www.bushflash.com/pax.html WATCH THIS VIDEO



Wumpscut
Totmacher

sie ahnten nichts von mir
von meiner wilden gier
doch als du kamst zu mir
da wurde ich ein tier
kein gedanke an danach
als ich dir die knochen brach

tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot

tot

fuer mein naechstes leben
schoepfe ich neue kraft
ich bin dem toeten ergeben
in der einzelhaft

tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot
tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot

ein dahinsichen
von gottes hand
ich kann dich riechen
und das denken verschwand

tot tot tot tot tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot tot tot tot tot

ich mache dich tot ich mache dich tot
ich mache dich tot ich mache dich tot

sag mir was du willst
dass du meine sehnsucht stillst
ich mache dich tot fuer immerdar
von blut alles rot auf gottes altar

tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot

ich mache dich tot fuer immerdar
ich mache dich tot glaub mir es ist wahr
ich mache dich tot fuer immerdar
ich mache dich tot auf gottes altar



Wumpscut - Deadmaker

They didn't expect me
never expected my wild lust
I turned into an animal
No thought about afterwards
When I broke your bones

Dead, dead, dead I make you dead
Dead, dead, dead stained from blood so red

Dead

For my next life (life after death in the religious sense)
I get the power I need
I’m a slave to the killing
In solitary confinement

("einzelhaft" (solitary confinment) has become part of the german vocabulary after the terrorist attacks of the Red Army Fraction during the 70's. It's used for people in prison, who are put into complete isolation not just from other people, but from all kinds of information. It's what might be known in the US as "sensual deprivation", a kind of torture-technique to destroy people's self.)

Dead, dead, dead I make you dead
Dead, dead, dead stained from blood so red
Dead, dead, dead I make you dead
Dead, dead, dead stained from blood so red

Wasting away
By God’s hand
I can smell you
And my thought disappeared

Dead, dead, dead I make you dead
Dead, dead, dead stained from blood so red
Dead, dead, dead, dead

I make you dead I make you dead
I make you dead I make you dead

Tell me what you want
That you fill my longing (that you satisfy my desire)
I make you dead for evermore
God’s altar stained from blood so red

Dead, dead, dead I make you dead
Dead, dead, dead stained from blood so red

I make you dead for evermore
I make you dead believe me its true
I make you dead for evermore
I make you dead on God’s altar


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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:19 AM
Response to Reply #20
23. Can you answer my questions?
Your posts don't really help your argument.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:23 AM
Response to Reply #23
24. And just what argument is that?
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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #24
27. This is what i mean. Can you answer the questions in my op? n/t
Edited on Wed Aug-17-05 09:30 AM by jim3775
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #27
30. Because this is georgie's America anything is possible
Do you know about the 9/11 WAR GAMES?




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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #30
33. Here are my questions again, please answer them.
Edited on Wed Aug-17-05 09:43 AM by jim3775
So every war games is a planned terrorist attack?

When are the attacks?

Why does a general being fired mean an attack is going to happen?

How does a war game/planning exercise mean an attack is going to happen?

How does the computer problem CNN had yester day mena that the press is being shut down?

How does a government paper about prison work programs mean that thousands of dissidents are going to be rounded up?

How does a police chief retiring confirm this attack is going to happen?

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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #33
40. While it never hurts to be informed and prepared....
Edited on Wed Aug-17-05 09:58 AM by RandomKoolzip
...I'm getting a wee bit weary of the wolf cries and chicken littles I see on DU almost weekly. Ever since I joined DU in the spring of 2003, people have been predicting imminent catastrophe on US soil almost weekly based on some diagonal sign-reading, and it's getting kinda tired.

Guys: relax. There ain't gonna be no nuclear incident today.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:48 AM
Response to Reply #30
38. Life must be simple in your world.
Others of us like to actually cogitate about things. I know, I know....it takes some effort. Its hard to do. It doesn't always result in judgements that fit our worldview. But, we do it anyway....Silly us.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #38
44. This is my world Mr. tx-dem41 NOT SIMPLE
Edited on Wed Aug-17-05 09:59 AM by seemslikeadream
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:58 AM
Response to Reply #44
45. Oh, I surely didn't mean to say it was pretty....
That I am sure of. But, I'll stick with the "simple" remark.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:01 AM
Response to Reply #45
46. Please by all means show me your work
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:02 AM
Response to Reply #46
47. Seek and ye shall find. n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:04 AM
Response to Reply #47
48. Yea right if you had anything but air you'd show it
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:13 AM
Response to Reply #48
49. Hey...I can say this about myself at least. I've never made an ...
ALL CAPS post. :)
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #49
52. How noble of you
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #52
54. "Noble"? Naahh. How about "polite" and "non-hysterical" instead?
n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #54
57. Yes non-hysterical that's the ticket
I wonder if the people of Haiti or Iraq would agree with your non-hysterical mood
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #57
59. Well, thank goodness that many people trying to help them are...
keeping a level-head and getting organized.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #59
61. What are you doing? That's the question
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #61
71. At the moment? Wasting my time on the internet.
What about you?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:55 AM
Original message
There ya go wasting time, that's what I thought
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 11:00 AM
Response to Original message
78. Ummm....you didn't answer my question.
I've noticed this is a habit of yours. Have you noticed it before? Introspection can be a good thing.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #54
60. Polite by all means lets be polite while people are dying
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #60
64. There's some phrase about honey and bees...
how does that go...hmmm...dangit, on the tip of my tongue too. ;)
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #64
69. Let the people of Haiti eat honey
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:19 AM
Response to Reply #47
51. WHILE I SIT HERE TRYING TO THINK OF THINGS TO SAY
Edited on Wed Aug-17-05 10:41 AM by seemslikeadream
While I sit here trying to think of things to say

SOMEONE LIES BLEEDING IN A FIELD SOMEWHERE

SO IT WOULD SEEM WE'VE STILL GOT A LONG LONG WAY TO GO

I'VE SEEN ALL I WANNA SEE TODAY

WHILE I SIT HERE TRYING TO MOVE YOU ANYWAY I CAN


SOMEONE'S SON LIES DEAD IN A GUTTER SOMEWHERE

AND IT WOULD SEEM THAT WE'VE GOT A LONG LONG WAY TO GO

BUT I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE

SWITCH IT OFF IT WILL GO AWAY

TURN IT OFF IF YOU WANT TO

SWITCH IT OFF OR LOOK AWAY

WHILE I SIT AND WE TALK AND TALK AND WE TALK SOME MORE

SOMEONE'S LOVED ONE'S HEART STOPS BEATING IN A STREET SOMEWHERE

SO IT WOULD SEEM WE'VE STILL GOT A LONG LONG WAY TO GO, I KNOW

I'VE HEARD ALL I WANNA HEAR TODAY

TURN IT OFF IF YOU WANT TO (TURN IT OFF IF YOU WANT TO)

SWITCH IT OFF IT WILL GO AWAY (SWITCH IT OFF IT WILL GO AWAY)

TURN IT OFF IF YOU WANT TO (TURN IT OFF IF YOU WANT TO)

SWITCH IT OFF OR LOOK AWAY (SWITCH IT OFF OR LOOK AWAY)

SWITCH IT OFF

SWITCH IT OFF

SWITCH IT OFF

SWITCH IT OFF

SWITCH IT OFF

TURN IT OFF


thanks phil collins for the words
my heart to the people of Haiti

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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #51
53. One is either with you or against you. Got it.
Edited on Wed Aug-17-05 10:22 AM by tx_dem41
You really took to *'s message didn't you?

Oops, maybe you'll understand this better...

YOU REALLY TOOK TO *'S MESSAGE DIDN'T YOU?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #53
58. I have no idea what you are talking about
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #58
66. I didn't think you would.
As, I remember the same phenomenon happened in "Invasion of the Body Snatchers". That KKKarl is magical, ain't he?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049366/
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #53
62. Dissent will be met with spam.
They post large amounts of gibberish to discourage you from asking anymore questions.

You would think it would be easier for them to just answer the questions.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #62
68. Nahhh...too hard. Easier to press the Caps Lock key. n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #68
70. Show me your work oh noble one
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #70
73. Oh...now you're repeating questions. Yawn.
I already answered that.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #73
76. Oh that's right nothing
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #76
81. In your eyes I guess.....
but, if so, apparently we MIGHT have something in common. ;)

And, if not, some of us are Doers not Screamers.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #81
83. So tell me what you've done oh wise one
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #83
85. Oh, if I must....
Very active member of Amnesty Intnl. Been doing letter campaigns weekly for years...supporter of Doctors without Borders...

Again, I don't shout about it. I like doing the behind the scenes stuff.

Look, I'm not attacking your message just criticizing your methodology (as others on this thread have done). I see "ALL CAPS"...and trite little phrases with nothing but ideology behind them...I tend to tune out. I want ideas and solutions...not cliches. And, I'm not alone in that thinking.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 11:12 AM
Response to Reply #85
86. Show me your posts on DU about Amnesty Intnl.
and Doctors without Borders
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #86
87. Wow....
Edited on Wed Aug-17-05 11:14 AM by tx_dem41
rather rude little guy aren't you. Walk the walk, and stop only talking the talk (or screaming the scream, perhaps).
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #87
89. That's all I'm asking of you show your work
That's not rude just walk the walk and stop the bullshit
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #89
92. Yes, one should heed one's own advice.
Oh...and learn a little humility as well. It will be good for you.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #62
72. I will be sure to tell the people of Haiti it's all gibberish
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #72
80. You have made me feel ashamed. When think of "our" latest atrocities
what we did in Haiti has escaped me. Thank you for the reminder.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #72
88. Yes, your hysteria is very beneficial.
In the old days, bums would just wear a sign predicting the end of the world as they stumbled around the park, mumbling and yelling at the voices in their head.

You've come a long way, baby.


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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #88
91. lol n/t
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #53
90. huh?
"'YOU REALLY TOOK TO *'S MESSAGE DIDN'T YOU?'"

he has a message?

I thought he has no message.
or who is *'S??
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:13 AM
Response to Original message
22. We should all "assume crash positions" now and get it over with
A la Airplane.
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:24 AM
Response to Original message
25. Yeah I've seen some of that here too
I attribute the fear and hyperbole to a strategy of terrorism successfully applied to the American public by Islamic and Republican extremists.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:39 AM
Response to Original message
32. as i posted a while ago, if you take out the nuclear part and put in...
gas truck bombs...

The point being that most of the stuff makes sense and people just put the "nuclear exercises" in there. But it could be any kind of terror attack. That doesn't devalue the facts surrounding it...
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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:47 AM
Response to Reply #32
36. How does it make sense?
What are the facts surrounding it? I dont get this line of reasoning.
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #36
50. U dont get? Get this....
The desendents of who? (Prescott Bush?)

"Theirs is an important issue, but they need to move.
We are a strong, German family community.
We'll weather this. We're not saying stop; we're saying move."

Deborah Mathews reporting at the courthouse in Waco.

http://198.65.14.85/News/2005/31-40/33news11.htm
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #36
65. let me explain
Edited on Wed Aug-17-05 10:50 AM by jsamuel
What I am saying is that there is indeed more to the General story.
Cheney did go to the Pentagon and order that Iran be bombed (including nuclear weapons) after the next terrorist strike despite Iran not being involved.
Iran has the most oil of any country in the world.
Iran looks like pre-Iraq war more everyday.
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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #65
79. What line of reasoning made you come to this conclusion?
Edited on Wed Aug-17-05 11:08 AM by jim3775
"What I am saying is that there is indeed more to the General story."
You are absolutley right about that. This is the bush administration


"Cheney did go to the Pentagon and order that Iran be bombed (including nuclear weapons)"

Where is this claim coming from?

"Iran looks like pre-Iraq war more everyday."

I agree, the rhetoric and propaganda is definatley ramping up. But how does this suggest a MIHOP terrorist attack?

I remember before the Iraq war there was a lot of talk about a terrorist attack on the superbowl there was a lot of "evidence" to support this, clearly it didnt happen.

It's easy to look back on something and say it is a government plot but so far I haven't seen someone successfully predict a MIHOP terrorist operation.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:48 AM
Response to Original message
39. It's a great strategy by the right wing.
When people focus on things like bogus nuclear threats, it distracts from the failures of Republicans on issues like Iraq, healthcare, and jobs.

The higher noise-to-signal ratio, the poorer the communication.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 09:53 AM
Response to Original message
42. WOODSTOCK 8/15-17 1969
3 days of luv and peace

mercy me why would a luv freak like sauron cheny nuke the us?

keep repeating..MM and govt are tellin ya the truth..

no nukes is a bad thing?

so the mock drils on 9/11 and 7/7 are more disinfo and the mock drills about nuclear exercises within the USN is disinfo??

military does mock drills constantly.

EVER worn the uniform? 2 mock drills hid terrorist attacks on both 9/11 and 7/7..

nothing happened this wk during the USN exercises..why look a gift horse in the mouth..so what if folks gotta bit concerned?

DU moderators allowed the discussion Y CAN'T U?

but hurricaine Irene stirred up some pretty good surf..
maybe sauron cheny took my advice and bought a surfboard instead of a red button..

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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:26 AM
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56. What are the odds
that this thread doesn't get pushed to the 9/11 forum???

BTW.. EnJoy the surf! :hi:
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:56 AM
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75. not bettin
http://www.paddysbeach.com/webcam/index.php
check it out
great to hear from ya!!
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 11:00 AM
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77. Just too cool! Thanks for sharing!
I miss the ocean! Waaaaaaaa!
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 11:05 AM
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84. ocean immersion
is such oneness with all of Creation.

I often think of my truth seeking pals ..knowing we are close to cracking the case..then grab the next wave
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:24 AM
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55. Well, obviously you forgot this...
:tinfoilhat:
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:51 AM
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67. A word about "False Flag Attack" predictions...
9/11 was a bolt from the blue. Aside from intelligence community insiders with "hair on fire" warnings of imminent attacks, the vast majority of Americans were completely non plussed by the attacks. One of the many benefits of such a surprise is that it makes premeditation by anyone look ridiculous - something a false flag attacker needs.

The next attack will not be a surprise. Indeed Cheney, Rumsfeld et. al. have already been promising us "not if, but when". We now have a strange phenomena: the shameless lies about Iraq and the questions surrounding 9/11 have a sizable number of us suspecting that the next attack will come either under the supervision or approval of this administration. Imagine that! That has to be unprecedented.

So...what can they do to discredit these suspicions? How about spread a bunch of false rumors and make sure that we've cried wolf so many times that any claim that "we predicted this attack" seems ridiculous.

So, yeah, an attack is probably coming. And, yeah, I’ll be suspicious as to who’s behind it when it comes. But predict a date? That’s a game for suckers.


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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 11:03 AM
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82. nice assessment
I won't discount rumors and take most news with my truth filter
BUT no plans to sell my boogey boards

surfin through the Apacolypse.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 10:55 AM
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74. This reminds me of the predictions of the draft in the Spring and
a war with Iran in June. The predictions often stop as the deadline approaches.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 11:18 AM
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93. One correction Jim MULTIPLE companies are down due to
that worm as of today... that is no joke
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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 11:20 AM
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94. Wow I really set off a shitstorm with this post
Edited on Wed Aug-17-05 11:22 AM by jim3775
I didnt mean to. :tinfoilhat: :7
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 11:20 AM
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95. Locking...
This story is hearsay and there have
been no mainstream news stories about
this.

Please feel free to repost when you
find a link to a RELIABLE source.


Thank you.
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