Election 2006 could be set for record levels of fraud

[GreenPartyVoter]

Just thinking here, but people all across the spectrum are less and less happy with **. Fitz might go after a number of people surrounding ** due to the Plame investigations. If those investigations REALLY make ** and Cheney look bad, they are not going to want to risk losing the Hill to the Dems in the next election cycle and therefore risk impeachment. My guess is that we are going to see more shocking "upsets" of the Chambliss/Cleland sort.

So the question now, people, is: "What are we gonna do about it?"

Can we head off the election fruad at the pass? (Note: More states have gone over to the Diebold side in recent months. Do we just hope we have enough states where elections still go untampered that we can retake the Hill? Does anyone have an analysis on whether this could be done?) And if not can we prove it fast enough after the election and get enough people on the ground to recognize the vote results have been tampered with to finally hold the junta accountable for first playing with the elections, and then for everything else they have done?

Honestly, folks... what are we going to do?

[CottonBear]

1. Overwhelming numbers of Democratic voters are what we need.

The election fraud, especially the Diebold sort, only seems to be useful when the election polls (both pre-election and exit polls) are very close. If we could get massive turnout of Democratic voters, independents, Greens and even cross-over Libertarians and unhappy Republicans, then we just might be able to actually win.

We HAVE to win and win big in 2006. It's our last chance and our only hope.

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. Diebold can fix the numbers regardless of the voter turnout. They can

say whatever they want to, and they can make it look like it was a close election and therefore voter turnout was almost equal. x(

[CottonBear]

3. I don't think they could overcome the polls if it was like 60%+ Democratic

vs. Republican. It could happen. We'll make it happen! :)

[wli]

8. it probably already has happened and Diebold erased it anyway n/t

[GreenPartyVoter]

11. Exactly. The feeling on the ground on election day was that Kerry

had it in the bag.

[FreedomAngel82]

43. Of course

Go to pbs.org and watch the documentary "The Architect" and watch the first segment. It's very telling. But is it going to be so easy to do now? Look at all the polls and all the vigils that happened.

[Imagevision]

14. Tom Feeney provided software to flip election 51%-49% -

[journalist3072]

46. And then after the whole debacle..

He said maybe we should go back to literacy tests..

On November 16, 2000 he was quoted in the Palm Beach Post:

"Voter confusion is not a reason for whining or crying or having a revote. It may be a reason to require literacy tests."

[H5N1]

5. That plan is going to fail

They are bold and they will cheat boldly.
We need to get every vote counted or we will lose.

[GreenPartyVoter]

7. Agreed. We need to bring back exit polling, too. There was a reason

wny they got rid of it. It showed them for the liars that they are.

[H5N1]

9. We better start working on this soon, time grows short

[Imagevision]

26. So why is their plan going to fail?? they did it once, second or third

time will be easier, I think most people actually believe; "oh they couldn't steal an election...yhat's the problem and our DEM senators don't do sh*t to change election reform!

[GreenPartyVoter]

29. I think what was going to fail was the "get out the vote" answer to theft

[bearfan454]

34. How ?

[Melodybe]

27. Demand paper trails with all voting

sign the petition:
www.verifiedvoting.org

[helderheid]

30. paper trails without audits do us no good. The vote on record is still on

vapor

[CottonBear]

36. I think we need paper ballots.

I don't believe that a paper trail for a Diebold machine would be worth anything. If paper ballots work in the UK and Canada they'll work for us!

[shance]

4. We initiate a nationwide call-in/write into the DNC.

I really think that is the best organization with which to put the pressure and the focus. We can also do it on a state wide DNC level.

You are absolutely right. We are in trouble if this isn't addressed first and foremost.

[GreenPartyVoter]

6. Has anyone talked to Dr. Dean about this? We really need to know if

he will help lead this.

[helderheid]

12. see post 10 - Dean suggested this during his last visit to Utah

[helderheid]

10. I'm starting a group that will be off the ground shortly for a

ballot initiative in my state. I suggest everyone does the same in their state. Of course, we'll be voting on this initiative ironically enough on Diebold DREs.

The organization is called U - VOTE which stands for Utah Voters for Open and Transparent Elections

[GreenPartyVoter]

13. Excellent! We can't wait for it to come top down, although that

would be great too.

[mod mom]

15. We can't leave it to the Dems to combat fraud. It's up to us folks!

We need to get people into County BOEs that are progressive (READ; wants fair and transparent elections). The Dems have shown us their interests lie with the corporations and financial markets. :(

[wli]

18. okay, what's it take to get into a county BOE?

How do I find out where my county BOE is?

[GreenPartyVoter]

28. Does your county have its own website? If not, I would call

your town office and see if they know who you should call.

[wli]

16. it doesn't look hopeful

I don't have any useful suggestions unless you have enough money to buy major television networks.

[GreenPartyVoter]

17. I wish. That's a thought though. What about doing a pod for Current?

[wli]

20. I had a thought about such a thing

Namely, go around asking people on the street about election fraud and record the results. I've had a tough time running into anyone who says the elections weren't rigged, so it may say something interesting.

[GreenPartyVoter]

24. Well, Greg palast and Michael moore have both covered this

subject to a degree. What is cool about their stuff is they have images from voting boths and scrubbed voting lists and that sort of thing.

Man on the street stuff is great, but it would be cool if we could supplement with other things.

How about we interview Rep. Conyers about "what Went Wrong in Ohio"? (I just put up reprehensor's great post on my site: http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/Ohio.htm )

[loudsue]

19. Thanks for bringing this up. It might help if we start spreading the

message to republicans that we can hack into the servers and steal elections because

1) There are no paper ballots to back up their votes, so they can't ever "prove" we cheated

2) They're not allowed to inspect the code on the machines, because the companies that own them made them "proprietary business secrets" through some "activist judge"

3) We can even tell them that HILLARY CLINTON has been sleeping with the wife of one of the vote-count-machine company presidents (they are all convinced she's an "evil LESBIAN" :scared: )!

4) Cathy Cox (Democrat) from Georgia has been going around the country meeting with Secretaries of State trying to convince them to buy the computerized voting machines (mostly Diebold) -- and she's running for GOVERNOR of Georgia

5) Cathy Cox's (see above) deputy has also been making hundreds of thousands of dollars pimping for these black box voting machines

6) A lot of the people that have been studying the voting machine security breeches are UNIVERSITY PROFESSORS .... and as the republicans say: "we all know University professors are 100% Democrats". These professors now all know how to hack into the central processors, that can change millions of votes with a few strokes of a keyboard

And, ya know what....FIVE of these 6 things are really true!

So, all we have to do is put out the word to the republicans that WE FULLY INTEND TO DO THIS IN 2006 SO WE CAN SEND ALL THE REPUBLICANS TO JAIL, and see if they don't jump on the "paper ballots and pen markers, hand counted" band wagon.

:applause: Ok. That's my two cents worth!

:kick::kick::kick:

[GreenPartyVoter]

21. It;s about vote safety but also about preventing voter suppression

Voter rolls, and moving polls, and sending out notices to scare people away from voting.

We have to keep an eye out for that sort of thing as well. x(

[helderheid]

22. remember too that the Diebold and Sequoia machines are not HAVA compliant

http://www.udpc.org/hava.htm

[Imagevision]

23. This is a given, because Cindy is changing a lot of minds - Iraq

War is getting worse on a weekly basis - Republicans will look to Diebold to pull off probably the election of our lifetime.

Any one doing minimal research on Ohio election fraud knows Bushco stole Ohio - look how badly Blackwell pulled illegal stunts right in front of our eyes.

Don't understand peoples belief that future elections will be any different, got hand to the repukes...thety got balls!

[GreenPartyVoter]

25. Plamegate, too, will sour a lot of folks on the Admin. At least the ones

who aren't the sort who adore a certain behavior from their side, but abhor the same behavior from the other.

[tom_paine]

31. Nothing. Our Leadership will DO NOTHING.

And the 2006 "election" is already over.

The Busheviks won.

[GreenPartyVoter]

32. Are you saying short of taking the streets with picthforks and torches

we can't do a thing?

[Imagevision]

37. I would expect Kerry at least be responsible for election reform but

when I heard him say in an iterview that in his opinion; "I believe the bin laden tapes revealed days before the election is what did me in" -

that's when it ocurred to me this guy isn't even going there on Ohio election fraud, it's as though cointless millions were hullucinating this thing, the BS that Blackwell managed to get away with.

These are tough people to beat because they don't have a rule book like Senator Kerry has! (had)

[GreenPartyVoter]

38. That was really frustrating to me, too. I had hoped he would really work

hard on election reform if not actually call ** out on what happened in OH.

But at least we have John Conyers. Now there is a guy to rally behind on this subject! :D

[bearfan454]

33. Could be ?

The pukes are already laughing.

[GreenPartyVoter]

35. They laugh all the time. It's what insane and evil people do.

[iconoclastNYC]

39. Shaddow elections n/t

[GreenPartyVoter]

40. Parellel ones?

[Stinky The Clown]

41. What can 'we' do?

Define 'we'.

I know, I know .... this sounds like another hopeless post with no answers. It is honestly not intended to be so.

What we NEED is support for fair voting (define that as you see fit) by our elected leadership. Not much has been said other than the brave work of John Conyers and company.

Where's our feckless 04 candidate? The one who rolled on election day +1.

Where's our DNC chair on this?

Where are our unelected Dem leaders? You know .... the ones who participated in the primary debates.

Where are the left leaning organizations? You know .... like moveon dot org.

Even if everyone on DU and similar communities were to get involved every day, how many are we? Couple hundred thousand very annonymous nobodies?

This needs at a **minimum** the amount of media coverage given to Mrs Sheehan, Prosecutor Fitzgerald, Scott Peterson, Paul Hackett, DSM, and The War in Iraq™ combined. Anything less and it stays like it is now ..... largly misunderstood and just another story du jour.

I see media coverage as the real key to getting this solved. Protests might help, but we need people like Boxer and Kennedy and Feingold and Clark and Kucinich and Dean and Clinton and Lautenberg and Kerry and Sharpton and Waters and Conyers and Graham and Edwards and Gore, and .... yes .... Lieberman speaking out long and loud about it.

[GreenPartyVoter]

44. Well, Conyers is already there for us.

[Stinky The Clown]

45. As pointed out in my second paragraph .....

[FreedomAngel82]

42. I think it depends

on what states they want to get that means something in the 2008 elections. They'll probably do the same one's they always do. These people are desperate to hold their power and will do anything to keep it. They've been waiting thirty years for this and have much more to do before they can lose power.