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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 10:29 PM
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We see Bush's approval rating sink lower and lower, and some indication that the Republican members of congress are getting a little concerned that the stigma will rub off on them before the mid-terms next year.

But the Democrats aren't gaining ground at anywhere near the rate the Republicans are losign it.

And why is this?

Because there are too few who seem to be willing to take a hard stance on anything of any import to average Americans. They are conspicuously silent on so many issues that we talk about every day.

We're beginning to see the faintest hint of a 'no-confidence' vote for the whole kit-and-kaboodle.

How many Democrats do YOU think actually stand for something? How many seem to have swallowed the Repugs' 'go along to get along' poison pill?

I almost hate to recommend something like this, but maybe when Cindy's away from Crawford, a bunch of Democrat legislators should get on a plane and take a trip down to visit Camp Casey...they should show that they support ALL of the protestors, and, in so doing, support the troops for real.

At this point all this country needs is a real firebrand to burst through the illusion and show the world what America is REALLY made of...

We need another Bull Moose. Without someone like this to provide a vent for the growing sense of frustration with our politicians and political system, I fear that when the tide turns for real, it's going to be an explosion...and neither the Democrats or the Republicans will be safe.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 10:30 PM
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1. The Democrats are going to loose us if they don't have any soul.
Edited on Thu Aug-18-05 10:32 PM by jsamuel
And I don't mean the James Brown or Religious kind.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 10:34 PM
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2. They really need the James Brown kind of soul
too. Everybody does.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 10:48 PM
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3. You hit on a very important and critical point...
...why are most of the Dems SO silent--during a time when there is cause to be screaming from the rafters?

A decade ago, the Democrats were more outspoken against the Republicans--and they were not afraid to speak their minds and stand up for liberal causes.

What in the heck has happened in the past decade? There is so much silence coming from the Dem leadership--it's deafening.

I cannot think of a time in recent history (in the past 40 years) that there has been so much evil, dishonesty, corruption and criminal behavior to protest from this sick administration.

We've got an administration that sanctions torture (Abu Griab), and then tries to hide the photographic evidence. They engage in traitorous behavior when they out undercover CIA agents for political spite. We've got a group of blatant neocon warmongers who are spearheading a Middle East take over--and their game plan is in plain view on their frickin Web site! They "fixed" intelligence and lied us into a war--that they shopped around to Clinton! They received a memo that said a madman wanted to fly planes into US skyscrapers--and that, in fact, happened! They've imploded the deficit, eroded the dollar, outsourced our employment base AND they provide tax cuts to corporations that outsource! They want to dismantle Social Security and teach religious dogma in the classroom!

And this stuff is just the tip of the iceberg!

It doesn't take a tin-foil hat to see that SOMETHING really rotten has happened to the Dems. They're either being threatened, bribed, blackmailed or they're just as evil as these neocon scum.

I don't know what is going on--but I wish SOMEONE would spill the beans. Staying silent only protects the thugs. We need a courageous Dem who will put an end to whatever hold the Reps have on the Dems.

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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 10:50 PM
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4. Our elected leaders think they have jobs instead of battle positions.
They just don't want to face the fact that it's not politics as usual any more, it's Germany in the thirties.
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 11:27 PM
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13. Sometimes I wonder if they aren't afraid for their very lives.
Maybe during the time of the anthrax being mailed only to Dems, they were intimidated and maybe told "you could be next". There is just something really, really wrong with them because they have golden opportunities come along, and they don't say a word. I wouldn't put it past the Bush cartel to threaten them, but somebody with some clout back there really needs to step to the plate - I know there are a few like Conyers, Waxman and Boxer, but they should all be screaming.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 12:28 AM
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19. Maybe they have decided to let everyone get really pissed off first...
but I don't think that's it.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 10:53 PM
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5. Democrats Aren't Gaining Ground? Got A Link For That? Mediawhores
and the GOP sure are trying hard to make that meme stick.

And Diebold ensures that rationale bears fruition.

And most elected Democrats certainly stand for something.

Haven't you been listening or watching Cspan?
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 11:20 PM
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10. Too many of them are complicit
Edited on Thu Aug-18-05 11:21 PM by Mythsaje
in what's going on. Carrying on the fiction of 'business as usual' while one of the most corrupt administrations in the history of the United States is doing everything it can do destroy basic American values while, at the same time, announcing to the world that they are REPRESENTING American values sends the wrong message to the rest of the world AND the average American.

Voting for such debacles as CAFTA, Bankruptcy "reform," and that hideous excuse for a Energy Bill IS NOT acting in the interest of the American voter.

You think if a large portion of the minority in Congress staged a walkout, perhaps even on the day the major protests are scheduled for D.C., the MSM wouldn't be FORCED to pay attention?

What's the average voter supposed to think at this point? That the corruption is rampant and pervasive on both sides of the aisle?

It sure looks that way.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 11:03 PM
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6. There's a lot of things going on under the radar.
We are working to rebuild the grassroots. We are working to change the focus away from being DLC/Republican lite, to being Democrats again. It isn't sexy, it isn't public, but the groundwork is being laid.

I am working with the DFA and my local Democratic party. There are things happening you won't hear about on the news.

People will step forward when the time comes. Right now, let the GOP continue cut their own throats. We don't want to interfere with them at this point.

Have faith.
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OrwellwasRight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 11:44 PM
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16. the last time I heard "have faith" was when there was
thread after thread and post after post here about how Kerry was SECRETLY working behind the scenes to contest the Ohio election results.

What a bunch of crap.

No disprespect to you and what you are doing locally (more power to you and please please keep doing it), but don't tell me to have faith in what the so-called leaderhsip may be doing.

As for the House and Senate, I want to see some action!!

:mad::mad::mad:
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 12:24 AM
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18. Yup, I remember that.
Elections Forum:

"OOOOOOhhhhhhhh, Kerry took down BCCI, Kerry's working behind the scenes, he's so smart, Kerry's just playing his cards close....blah, blah..."

Fuck that shit. I need to see some these mofo's step up for ONCE.
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OrwellwasRight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 12:55 AM
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20. exactly. amen. nt.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 11:26 AM
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24. It's not the leadership, it is hundreds of grassroots
organizations working together to redefine the Democratic party. There is better communication between progressive organizations. We are uniting behind one goal.

Sure Howard Dean started the movement, but we have been running with it.

BTW, I was a Clarkie.


Join your local DFA, or start one if you haven't one in your hometown. You are the Democratic party, the DLC is just a faction within the party.

http://www.democracyforamerica.com/


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OrwellwasRight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 12:41 PM
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26. True dat, alfredo.
But if we have "better communication," can we get the unions to go after the Republicans for their pro-CAFTA votes instead of just the few Dem defectors?

We need to work on some of that kind of thing.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 01:42 PM
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28. We have reached out to the unions in our area
and we may have some help from the VFW.

We are rebuilding one voter at a time.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 11:05 PM
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7. Too many in the Democratic party forget
that it was the "little" guy and gal who brought the Dems to power.

Look at the stats: the poorer folks voted for Kerry. The richest voted for **. But you can't get this truth to sink in. Cognitive dissonance? Wanting to have your affluent, snobby cake and eat it too? I don't know why ignorance is ascribed to the poor: they make the most fucking sense at the polls...

Dem leaders have the pork disease. They are playing the game to get re-elected through federal funds for their states, and this requires sucking up to the Repukes as they suck the Corporate appendage.

The "little guy" is forgotten in the Dem leaders' strategy. Dems are no better than Repukes at courting sponsors who can provide $$$ rather than working to help the American people. "As long as my constituents love me...who cares if the nation goes to shit?"
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 06:36 AM
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21. "Dem leaders have the pork disease."
Ding, Ding, Ding.

Follow the money, stupid.
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jayctravis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 11:08 PM
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8. Is it possible that everyone worth salt knows the Administration
might be imploding shortly and they don't want to be within the range of suck?
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 11:13 PM
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9. Conyers, Byrd, Dennis, Carol, Howy and Wes
Some others but yes...few and far between. :(
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 11:22 PM
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11. Yep...those are the names that spring to mind...n/t
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 11:53 PM
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17. Don't forget Maxine Waters.
:woohoo:
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VPStoltz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 11:23 PM
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12. As much as it makes me sick to even mention Pat Buchanan on this blog
he did make a tiny little point in a recent (that I read here). The Democrats are once again in a fix because once again they had "gone along to get along." Instead of standing up in force, there are only a few fewer of them in the Senate, against Bushco when the war was proposed, they went along so as not to look "un-American." Now look where we are. One of the problems Dems have is now standing united against Bush when so many of them bent over and grabbed their ankles when * wanted war. To the general public, that looks a little hypocritical and two-faced.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 11:37 PM
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14. Which, if they had any balls bigger than a pair of BBs,
they could simply state "we were deceived and made the wrong choice and now we're trying to fix it."

Not even Kerry would say that, and it desperately needed to be said.

C'mon Dems...it's easy. "We were deceived and we made a mistake."
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 11:44 PM
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15. That's a good a part of it.
Edited on Thu Aug-18-05 11:54 PM by utopiansecretagent
Most of the Dems bent over for * when he was pushing this evil on the country. 9-11 freaked everyone out (except us smart ones who were like, "What? Iraq has nothing to do with 9-11!"), but Dems who should've known better went along with the propaganda and now we have the quagmire that liberals warned about and even predicted.

Most Dems don't have the right to an anti-Iraquagmire podium and they know it. They voted for the fucking thing. They're just as lame as *.

We gotta get some real candidates and FAST so we can kick those mofo's right the hell out of gov't. Candidates like that that Iraq vet that ran on the Dem ticket in Ohio.

But somehow I have my doubts...
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 01:36 PM
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27. I have my doubts as well...
see, one of the weaknesses to it all is real people are reluctant to run anymore. I know I would be. I'm almost forty years old and I have a past I'd rather not have dragged through the mud. The way the game is played only someone of very strong character or someone who's never actually been tested has any chance of surviving the firestorm that'll come down on them.

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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 06:45 AM
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22. No confidence pretty much sums it up
I have no "confidence" that anyone is looking our for my interest( Josephina Average) with the exceptions of Barbara Boxer,and John Conyers. A statement could be made at the ballot box in the primaries to entrenched Democrats who are either silently complicit or cowed with this Administration.
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 11:14 AM
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23. kick.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 11:39 AM
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25. 95% thugs 75% dims corrupt
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