Tigers are vile and disgusting creatures

[mopaul]

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/theworld/2005/August/theworld_August520.xml§ion=theworld


The Labette County Sheriff’s office identified the victim as Haley R. Hilderbrand, 17, of Altamont. A release said Hilderbrand was at the Lost Creek Animal Sanctuary posing for a photo with the 7-year-old tiger, which was being restrained by its handler, when the animal turned and attacked her.

Officers and handlers killed the animal. Emergency personnel were not able to revive Hilderbrand, who was later pronounced dead at the scene.

Investigators have sent the tiger’s body to Kansas State University for dissection.

“This animal had been around people across the country and there’s never been a problem,” Sheriff William Blundell said in a telephone interview.

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people, i cannot stress this enough: tigers are killers, they kill for a living, and they cannot be domesticated or tamed, no matter how cute they were as cubs.

for millions of years men feared being eaten by tigers and bears and other monsters, and now we have removed them safely from our homes and fields and forests, eliminating one of our greatest fears and dangers. but now certain folks want wild animals introduced into the west.

i want to see the new movie 'grizzly man' by werner hertzog, a documentary about a documentary film maker obsessed with grizzlies, who eventually eat him and his girlfriend. hertzog says his point was to show that many people think of wild carnivores as kindred spirits or equals. but i won't get anywhere near a grizzly if i can help it.

i heard that there are about 10,000 pet lions, tigers and panthers in america. hard to believe huh?

[flakey_foont]

1. even Tiger Woods?

[progmom]

2. Tigers are not vile and disgusting.

They are majestic and beautiful.

And dangerous to humans. :shrug:

[Mad_Dem_X]

31. Thank you

Tigers are beautiful animals...but I wouldn't want to be too close to one.

[ixion]

3. the only thing hard for me to believe is that people still get suprised

when they are attacked by an allegedly 'domesticated' wild animal. :eyes:

Nominate the lot of them for the Darwin Awards.

[Conservativesux]

46. Darwin Award 2005 only if she wasnt pushed into this by someone else..

...the person has to do something really stupid and die, something that people would not normally do, in order to qualify for the Darwin Award 2005.

I'm not certain this qualifies for the award, yet.

[MetaTrope]

4. stick with pit bulls

[HadItUpToHere]

5. I disagree STRONGLY.

Tigers are BEAUTIFUL animals- they "kill" only to survive.

if you want to see a truly vile and disgusting species, look in the mirror, because humans are the most vile and disgusting animals onthis planet.

[mopaul]

6. yes, i avoid mirrors

[Spinzonner]

Can you actually see your image in a mirror ?

:-)

[H2O Man]

26. Poor Hilary

posed no threat to that tiger. It's liberals who watch commie propaganda films like Disney's "Save That Tiger" who will lead us down the path of ruin. There is something very unnatural about wild animals. The Bible tells us to kill them. If this girl's parents weren't atheists .....

[Wetzelbill]

7. I wouldn't say vile or disgusting necessarily......

but their nature is to hunt and to kill. They should be respected. It is foolish to try to domesticate an animal like that. It just wasn't meant to happen. The surest way to get eaten is to disrespect the laws of nature and try to keep a born killer as a pet. Tigers are lethal killers, they are meant to do it. Sooner or later they will.

Makes me wonder how fucking dumb people are. I feel bad for that girl. Whoever set that up and allowed that shoot to take place like that should be shot. That's a sad, sad story.

[mopaul]

9. maybe they'll start a new law bearing the victim's name

"-----'s Law", to make everyone aware that children shouldn't be near large carnivores.

[O.M.B.inOhio]

8. is this different from the 17 yr old getting her HS class picture taken?

wild, but why vile? Dangerous to humans, but why disgusting? GOP hypocrisy and murderous greed are disgusting. A tiger is just doing its thing in its strictly amoral way. If your subject line was meant to be ironic, I just don't get it (sorry).
here's the link to the article I know of http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1711671

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1711671

[mopaul]

10. i've watched a lot of nature show lately

and they are more graphic than ever. i love animals, and i fing tigers fascinating, but they shouldn't be allowed around children.

[flvegan]

11. Sadly both a human AND a tiger lost their lives because of this.

Which is why animals, such as tigers, should never be in such close proximity with people. They aren't "vile and disgusting" they're just being tigers.

People need to get over themselves.

[demnan]

12. I don't know

maybe we could feed them freepers.

[Spinzonner]

13. Poisonous

[mopaul]

14. tiger's gotta eat, same as snakes

let's start a republican only, open air zoo!

[Hubert Flottz]

18. They aren't shit eaters are they?

I mean tigers aren't shit eaters, I know freepers are!

[leftchick]

15. it is the morons who own these wild animals that are vile and disgusting

taking an animal out of the wild for human consumption or entertainment is never right.

[Swamp Rat]

16. I don't know... I've already seen Werner Herzog's work with Klaus Kinski

I'm not so sure a grizzly or a tiger is more dangerous than Klaus. :D

[Hubert Flottz]

17. I HATE it, every time I hear of another tiger dying.

Mankind is just another step closer to bringing the true king of beasts existence to an end forever. Had that tiger been left in his natural habitat, it probably would have never been a "Problem" to anyone. I can hardly look at a picture of those beautiful animals, without being consumed by sadness, by the "progress" of man.

[mopaul]

19. lions and tigers have been Disneyfied

i know a lady who loves tigers, but can't watch the latest nature shows about them, she denies what they are and only wants to see them posing, not eating.

[annabanana]

20. She doesn't love tigers...

She loves pictures of tigers and little stuffed tigers, and tiger candlestick holders and tiger picture frames and tiger coffee cups and t-shirts and other tiger shaped and colored gee-gaws (trying to think of the yiddish word for it.. begins with a "t" that sounds like a "ch")

[oscar111]

21. exterminate tigers, sharks, mosquitoes etc

carnivores are not wanted by those who wish to reduce suffering.

save a few for zoos , for study.
Feed them only ceral chow, like Ken-el-ration.

otherwise, protect the wildebeasts and Bambi.

PS i am really repelled by those who keep pet snakes and feed them live food. Disgusting.

as to mosquitoes.. they are pure pests, like ticks, flies, fleas.
They carry disease. Exterminate them.. research is now going on for some promising ways. Doubt it not.

When a niche in nature is made vacant, others will fill it in. The balance of nature will re-balance. Always has. Just do it slow, watching for keystone species.

[progmom]

25. if you're serious....

then we'd be among the first to go.

[oscar111]

28. Vegetarians would not go

i meant, all animals who cannot adjust to a veggie diet.

sadly, wild tigers and flies cannot do that.. tho zoo specimens could. Save the newly veggie specimens.

humans who still eat meat are a difficult case. Have to persuade them where possible. No extermination planned LOL.

[LisaL]

35. Or dear god. If you are serious, I think your brain is suffering

the effects of you not eating enough protein. Tigers are carnivores, and they are neither vile nor disgusting. They simply due what is in their nature to do.

[0rganism]

40. species time-tested by millions of years of evolution to be made extinct

just because you say so?

How about this: you go fuck yourself up the ass with 10 pounds of poison ivy. It'll be quicker and easier then trying to exterminate the entire population of predators from the planet, let alone trying to live on the planet should you, by some miraculous evil, succeed.

[antigone382]

41. So, let me get this straight...

...you want to kill all the world's naturally occuring omnivores and carnivores, to prevent them from killing other animals, who instead will become enormously overpopulated, at which point they will die either quickly at the hands of humans who want to control the population, or slowly of starvation, disease, etc, in addition to probably driving out other species that compete for the same resources, and decimating our plantlife. What about the plants, anyway? Doesn't their suffering count for something? Maybe we should just eliminate all living things except for the prehistoric bacteria that feed on inorganic material.

You also say this:

"When a niche in nature is made vacant, others will fill it in. The balance of nature will re-balance."

So basically, we'll be exterminating all carnivorous/omnivorous species, only to have other species evolve and fill the niche.

I appreciate your desire to create a world without suffering, but the means that you propose are biologically and economically impractical (we'd never have the resources or TIME to eliminate every single meat-eating species on the planet.

Nature has its own balance--sometimes kind, sometimes cruel--and the less we interfere with that balance, the better. In fact, we should be focusing on ways to fit our own existence into that balance, rather than trying to restructure the natural world according to some misguided human desire for animal benevolence.

ON edit, one more question: I've been out in the wild, watching mustangs, bison, mule deer and other herbivores compete for mates and grazing ground. They often fight each other with merciless brutality, sometimes to the death.
they will kill a youngster of both other species and even their own, if it wanders in their path in search of its mother. They would also easily kill a human, even a nice, vegetarian one, if they deemed him/her a threat. Should these creatures be subject to your proposal as well?

[antigone382]

36. You mean, Tiger kitsch?

I don't know if that's Yiddish in origin, or if it's the word you're thinking about, but I think it fits what you're trying to say. :)

[yewberry]

37. Tchochke? nt

[MisterP]

42. tchotchke

more Russian than Yiddish

[Conservativesux]

47. That aint Tigger in that pen !!! (nt)

[GOPNotForMe]

22. Wrong wrong wrong.

By your logic, WE are vile and disgusting creatures for eating animal flesh. Frankly, your statement is incredibly ignorant.

[mopaul]

23. i make incredibly ignorant statements all the time

it's what i do.

[oscar111]

24. vegetarians are not vile

as to ignorant, how did my esteemed correspondent miss the existence of human vegetarians?
LOL.

[GOPNotForMe]

34. I am a vegetarian, but I know they are in the minority

So when speaking about humans in general, I lump them in as flesh eaters.

[NuttyFluffers]

52. They destroy my precious plants. They are vile.

:P
I like my plants more than most people. Especially cruel, inhuman, tortuous vegetarians -- don't even kill their food properly before eating it. Poor things marinated, stabbed at, sliced, peeled, etc. all for your sick desire to live... :sarcasm:

Leave me the sharks, the mosquitos, the jellyfish, the fungi, the tigers, and everything else. I'm an adult, I can handle it.

[oscar111]

27. exterminate tigers, mosquitoes, etc

deserves repeating. See the full reply about five re's above this one.

[Hubert Flottz]

29. You may well save man from mosquitoes, but...

you will never save man from man.

[bklyncowgirl]

30. I take issue with the vile and disgustingbut on the whole you're right

We forget that an animal is an animal and if it feels threatened it will defend itself. This goes for both wild and domestic animals--how often do you read of people mauled by supposedly gentle dogs or trampled by panicked horses?

Tigers are large predators. Humans are part of their natural diet. Yes, they can be trained to respond to cues and may even show affection for their handlers but if someone or something sets off its defensive or hunting instincts, anyone in the way is in serious danger and it's going to end up badly--ask Roy of Siegfried and Roy--who by the way still owns the tiger that mauled him, he realizes that the animal was frightened and acting on instinct when it grabbed him. You can't blame a tiger for being a tiger.

If you're going to be around an animal that is capable of killing you, you have to understand that you are taking a risk. You minimize the risk as best you can with good training and common sense but it's always there and if you're working with such an animal among members of the public who don't understand how to avoid setting off the animal's defensive instincts or don't realize what destructive power a large predator has, you are flirting with diseaster.

[slor]

32. I bet standing next to a...

tank column, while it is bombed and strafed by a flight of A-10s would make a really cool picture too, but I would not recommend it.

[Crankie Avalon]

33. I agree people shouldn't act like tigers are some sort of cute pet...

...we had a fool that made the news here in New York a few months ago for keeping a "pet" tiger in his apartment. Fortunately, no one was hurt before it was taken away.

However, it might be a little harsh to call a tiger "vile and disgusting." It seems like a beautiful animal to me, just one I would never try to get close to or "befriend."

As for "exterminating" tigers...when they are not dragged out of their habitat (by us, let's remember) they are not an undue threat to humanity.

We humans are just another species of animal, ourselves. We hunt animals to near extinction for their ivory, fur, and the like, but do we really have the right to exterminate any species of animal (particularly when it's not in answer to a question of our species's survival)? Were we the ones who first put them on this earth? Who are we to decide which animals should or should not be allowed to exist? That's not our call to make.

[WilliamPitt]

38. Vile and disgusting?

I think they are sublime and beautiful, about as perfect as anything you will ever see.

They are also predators. Extreme caution is warranted in their presence, and they should never be made to wear a chain and endure human pawing.

But they are about as beautiful as anything that has ever walked this earth.

[VelmaD]

50. We are (unsurprisingly) in 100 percent agreement...

they are beautiful animals...but they are predators and we should leave them the hell alone.

Great pics, btw.

[gulliver]

39. People who take tigers out of the wild as pets ...

... are vile and disgusting creatures. So are the people who go out to attract and swim (inside cages) with sharks. I'll bet dogs kill more people than all wild animals combined.

I think your main point is valid, but tigers aren't vile and disgusting. They just need to be treated with respect.

[lonestarnot]

44. Exacto mento!

[lonestarnot]

43. Tigers are NOT VILE! They belong in the wild!

[0rganism]

45. Who has done more to kill humans, tigers or humans?

I think it likely that you could weigh the entire toll of human life taken by tigers, leopards, and every other apex predator over the last 40,000 years against the various forms of homocide (wars, murders, ethnic cleansings, etc.) from the 20th century alone and find that nature's predators come in a distant second by at least two orders of magnitude to our recent senseless killings of our own sad species. With a few notable exceptions, it's not like we're even interested in eating the corpses. At least the beasts of nature have that much justification for their actions.

[maxsolomon]

48. PEOPLE: IT IS IRONY!

come on, get a grip!

tiger kills prey, then is killed for being a tiger doing what tigers do. that's ironic. and tragic for all, victim & tiger. to call tigers vile & disgusting IS CLEARLY IRONIC HUMOR. OP, back me up!

besides, everyone knows that only TIGONS are vile & disgusting. tigers are just a little more vile & disgusting than LIGERS. which are magical.

[Dr Fate]

49. "That tiger didn't go crazy- that tiger went TIGER."

n/t

[Blue_In_AK]

51. Grizzly Man Treadwell was an idiot...

Any good Alaskan knows that grizzlies are unpredictable. I would assume tigers would be the same.

[BikeWriter]

54. It's a shame he got his girl friend eaten, too.

He was a fool and it ultimately killed him.

[Blue_In_AK]

55. I know. I don't know what he was thinking...

I give those grizzes VERY wide berth. They're beautiful and majestic, but certainly not critters you can be friends with.

[BikeWriter]

56. I sure avoided them..Every fishing trip I made in Alaska...

I was very well armed. I made enough noise to give the animals warning.

[BikeWriter]

53. Tigers are predators. It's foolish to trust them.

[eridani]

57. They are 500 pound pussies that eat you n/t