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demzilla Donating Member (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:50 PM
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I don't want Bush to be impeached
Edited on Sun Aug-21-05 08:56 PM by demzilla
I want him to die a slow political death and drag his party down with him.

Just think of the possibilities -- it all unravels, the truth dawns on the public, which decides it is time for a change, kicking a number of BushCo syncophants out of Congress in '06, and with each ongoing revelation opening the door wider and wider for a real Democrat to walk into the White House in 2008.

In my best Montgomery Burns voice: "Excellent . . ."
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:51 PM
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1. No, he has to be impeached!
This country or this planet won't survive 3 more years.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:53 PM
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4. Impeachment is not enough. He has to be put on trial for war crimes.
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:32 AM
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28. "This country or this planet won't survive 3 more years." yes. jail. eom
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:53 PM
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2. Good thing you don't want it
Won't be disappointed when it doesn't happen.
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growlypants Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:53 PM
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3. But I want him in jail at the end. Then hung for war crimes and treason
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:54 PM
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5. But in order for that to happen, we need to shout "IMPEACH"...
...every opportunity we get - even if there's never any hope for it to happen. The more we use the "I-word," the better it is for us.

NGU.


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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:54 PM
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6. Well impeached and removed
does present a bit of a problem unless we take back the House next year - because if Bush goes we have Cheney - and he should probably go before the freak in chief since he is the real evil behind all of this - but think about it Bush goes Cheney goes and then Dennis Hastert is President....now that is funny - sounds like the very goofy story line West Wing had for a few weeks of I think season five.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:57 PM
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7. I want the hair on peoples neck to stand up when the hear "Bush"
I want the word Bush to be purged from the English language. From now on, people will plant "a bunch of sticks with leaves on them" in the front yard.
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:05 PM
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10. SHRUB
I want people to know who I'm talking about when I refer to a person named "Shrub" in a conversation.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:23 PM
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17. That's funny.
:rofl:
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:58 PM
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8. He's going to walk away without a scratch.
The evil just runs too deep.

He's going to get away with all of it, as well as crap that we don't even KNOW about yet.

We need to focus on coming up with a Democratic candidate that will have the BALLS to go up against Karl Rove in 2008. If we can't find one, say hello to President Bill Frist and Vice President Rudy Giuliani.

FUCK this RIDICULOUS "We can't sink to their level" BULLSHIT.

If you want to BEAT Karl Rove, you need to BEAT KARL ROVE.

There are NO other "noble" options.

:grr:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:20 PM
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16. B_E_B, I would say no one is stupid enough to vote Frist/Giuliani except
that's the same thing I said about M.bush. Twice.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 12:51 AM
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21. Yep. George Bush, 2 terms, "How the hell could this happen?"
And I'm guessing that if Rove pulled his patented "Swift Boat" garbage on Joe Biden, he'd fold like the proverbial cheap suit.

Every time Biden does something admirable and we see the expected "Woo Hoo, Biden is on FIRE" threads on DU, it's almost as if it's a CUE to the man to do something NICE for BUSH.

President Biden? No thanks.
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:37 PM
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18. No! We can't let him get away with all the shit he's done!
Stop being a defeatist. If you act like that, you let the enemy win. We have to keep fighting because we will bring them all to justice eventually.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:09 AM
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26. I absolutely believe we should keep fighting Bush's "agenda"...
On September 30th, Bush's "Tax Advisory Panel" is scheduled to turn in their "recommendations" for a "fair & simple" overhaul of the tax code.

One of the items that WILL be on the list is "The National Sales Tax"...now being called "The Fair Tax"...and if the Dems who voted for CAFTA roll over and let THIS one pass without a fight, I don't know what to say.

I don't want to be a defeatist, but I have to look at the evidence in front of me and ask "At which point in the last five years has Bush gotten ANYTHING LESS than EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED?"

The kind of determination that made Cindy Sheehan set up shop in a dry, dusty, boiling-hot ditch in the toilet town of Crawford is the kind of determination we need in our elected officials.

I see Barbara Boxer and I cheer her on.

Then I see Dianne Feinstein and Joe Biden and Joe Leiberman and think about the concept of Bush being brought to justice and wonder how the hell that's going to happen if every time Bush cracks the whip these three (and others like them) roll over, kick their legs in the air and purr.

SO...if Bush's "Tax Reform" ambitions get killed like his Social Security ambitions, I'll be encouraged. If he gets handed his "Consumption Tax" dream on a silver platter by Republicans AND Democrats, Bush being brought to justice will no longer be our biggest problem.

September 30th. Be prepared to stat contacting ALL of your elected officials, blue AND red.

Read Nancy Pelosi's press release on this. EVEN THOUGH "The National Sales Tax" is now being called "The Fair Tax," it's the SAME proposal and the propaganda has really been heating up from the GOP:

http://democraticleader.house.gov/press/releases.cfm?pressReleaseID=701

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
September 23, 2004

CONTACT:
Brendan Daly/Jennifer Crider
202-226-7616
Pelosi: ‘National Sales Tax Would be Burden for Middle Class Americans, But Boon for the Wealthy’

Washington, D.C. -- House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi held a news conference in the Capitol this afternoon with Congressmen Charles Rangel of New York, and John Spratt and James Clyburn, both of South Carolina, to denounce a Republican plan for a national sales tax. Below are Pelosi’s remarks and a fact sheet about the proposal:

“Today, we are here to highlight one of the many clear contrasts between Democrats and Republicans: Republicans want to undermine our American values of prosperity and fairness with a new national sales tax of at least 30 percent and as high as 50 percent or more on all goods, including homes and cars.

“A national sales tax would be a burden for middle class Americans, but a boon for the wealthy. Families with children would lose their current tax deductions, and seniors would essentially be taxed twice.

“This proposal is ludicrous and should be dismissed outright. Yet Speaker Hastert wrote about the national sales tax and the flat tax in his new book, saying ‘both of these ideas are worthy of consideration.’ And Majority Leader Tom DeLay is co-sponsoring the bill, and has said: ‘It is high time the debate about the flat tax and a national consumption tax moved out of Washington think tanks and into American living rooms. That's why I have signedon to Congressman John Linder's proposal to scrap the current tax code altogether and replace it with a national sales tax.’

“The Republican plan would make it harder for middleclass families to make ends meet. A national sales tax would undermine the American value of prosperity. For example, cars that cost $20,000 would cost an additional $6,000 under this proposal. Just wait until the car dealers hear about this proposal. Prescription drugs that cost $100 would now cost $130. New homes, insurance premiums, brokerage fees, and gasoline would all be heavily taxed to replace revenue brought in by the current tax system.

“It would wipe out our system of progressive taxation. A national sales tax would undermine the American value of fairness.

“The American people should be aware that the Republicans’ primary tax agenda is a new national sales tax.”

The Republican Plan to Raise Taxes on the Middle Class

All over the country, middle class Americans are being squeezed byRepublican policies that have lost 1.7 million private sector jobs; allowed the price of health care, education, and gas to skyrocket; and created record deficits. Now Republicans are proposing a new national sales tax that would increase taxes for the typical middle class by about 50 percent. Democrats know that approach is wrong. Instead of raising taxes on the middle class, Democrats have pledged to promote prosperity and fairness by enacting middle class tax relief, creating new jobs, and eliminating tax loopholes so all Americans pay their fair share.

GOP SALES TAX HIKES A FAMILY’S TAX BURDEN BY 50 PERCENT

The new GOP national sales tax would replace all personal and corporate income taxes, Social Security, Medicare, and payroll taxes, and gift and estate taxes with a new national sales tax on goods like groceries, clothing, new home sales and apartment rents, and health care services. This new GOP tax would be applied on top of existing state sales taxes. This proposal would increase taxes by about $3,200 a year for 80 percent of taxpayers, and potentially more for some families.

MIDDLE CLASS FAMILIES SQUEEZED AGAIN

Families with children. Families with children are hit the hardest, as this proposal would eliminate all the current law tax benefits for these families, including the child tax credit. A middle class family with four children with a combined income of $65,000 would face an increase of more than $5,000 in their tax liability.

New homeowners. The Republican tax hike proposal would eliminate the tax deduction that families get on their home mortgages and apply this new sales percent tax to the cost of a home. If a family buys a new house listed for $150,000, the new tax brings the actual purchase price to $195,000.

Jump in property taxes. The Republican sales tax hike would require states to send an additional $300 billion to the federal government in sales taxes – a tax increase that states would immediately pass on to residents. Arkansas, Delaware, Kentucky, Hawaii, and New Jersey could all see property tax increases higher than 400 percent. The lowest state property tax hike possible – in New Hampshire – would still be more than 70 percent.

Gas and electricity. The average family would pay an additional 60 cents a gallon for gasoline – a new tax that will hit families in rural areas particularly hard. Families with large home heating or cooling bills also will be harmed.

SENIORS FACE NEW TAXES

Beneficiaries pay twice for Social Security and pension benefits. Most Social Security benefits and a portion of pension payments are exempt from income tax. But this proposal requires seniors to pay the new sales tax – meaning that seniors are now being taxed twice for their Social Security, once when they pay the payroll taxes and again when they pay the sales taxes.

Threaten Solvency of the Medicare Trust Fund. Medicare would be required to pay the new sales tax as well, forcing the program into insolvency in five years. If this proposal were enacted, Medicare would run out of funds in 2009.

Undermines pension coverage. The new GOP sales tax hike would reduce the incentives employers currently get for offering their employees a pension plan. The American Academy of Actuaries has concluded that “pension plans would quickly diminish in number and size and gradually disappear” if a consumption tax, such as the national sales tax were enacted as a substitute to the current income tax.
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:20 AM
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27. even now, still, "BALLS" eom
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:00 PM
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9. I'd say impeachment would drag all the rethugs down too...
people aren't going to trust any of em just like when Nixon was impeached. Honest and trustworthy dem candidates will be easily elected.

And I'm NOT talking Hillary or Bill.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:13 PM
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13. How many Democratic President's since Nixon?
How many districts carved up to make sure people keep seats in Congress?

Nothing will be won easily. Not when you have billions of dollars backing the other side.
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crimson333 Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:07 AM
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25. there has been 5 elected presidents since nixon
not counting Ford

3 rep
2 dem.
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:08 PM
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11. total humiliation for bush
and I am not one for humiliating anyone, but if there was ever someone who deserved it, its him - with Cheney going down right with him.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:09 PM
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12. Think of all the flip flopping that is going on as the polls for him fall.
Kerry was crucified for his so-called flip flopping (mostly unjustified smears, of course) - yet what about all of those who have gone from 90% approval (I am a proud member of the 10 % club who was never convinced of his leadership) to into the low 40s....and hopefully lower. Lots and lots of serious flip flopping going on out there.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:18 PM
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Bush has been flip-flopping since Inaugeration Day 2001
Wasn't one of his first acts to go back on his word about clean air & CO2 emmissions?

We've just never forcefully called him on it.

On the other hand, as soon as Kerry had the nomination sewn up, Bush went on the air & said that Kerry was a flip-flopper and EVERY Republican followed suit & repeated that mantra for weeks on end with little to no response from the Kerry camp...
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:18 PM
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15. Bush has been flip-flopping since Inaugeration Day 2001
Wasn't one of his first acts to go back on his word about clean air & CO2 emmissions?

We've just never forcefully called him on it.

On the other hand, as soon as Kerry had the nomination sewn up, Bush went on the air & said that Kerry was a flip-flopper and EVERY Republican followed suit & repeated that mantra for weeks on end with little to no response from the Kerry camp...
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 10:01 PM
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19. impeachment is not enough, nor even remotely close
We've got war criminals pervading the government... almost the entire Republican Party needs to go down for war crimes and stand trial in the Hague. What's more, the US MSM needs to stand trial in the Hague just like Julius Streicher.
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 10:02 PM
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20. I want him in jail with pictures published of him in his underwear. nt
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VADem11 Donating Member (783 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 12:55 AM
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22. Well
I too want him to die a painful political death that will destroy the republican party but I would like to see impeachment as well. Maybe we could have both.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 12:57 AM
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23. Herr Busch has committed treason...you take it from there.
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Dynasty_At_Passes Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:06 AM
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24. I want him impeached, resigned like the fraud he is.....
And incarcerated to later be released for therapy.

As for Cheney and his "friends" I want to see them get capital punishment by any means neccesary. That means the death penalty, and I sure as hell ain't afraid to advocate for it.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:37 AM
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29. I'm not sure the planet can take three more years of this chucklefuck.
The country sure can't. The constitution is almost gone.

Although 2 final lame duck years neutered by a significant Dem. majority in Congress wouldn't be terrible, and I might settle for that, I'm still a firm believer in the things this country stands for, and the words on those 229 year old pieces of parchment... and Bush passed the threshold for "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" a LOOOOOOOOOONG time ago.

Granted, we don't know of any blue dresses he splooged on, but I'd put lying our way into an illegal war that has cost countless lives and hundreds of billions of dollars on a somewhat equivalent moral plane... :eyes:

No, really, he deserves impeachment. Nothing less.
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