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dobak Donating Member (808 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 06:22 PM
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Rove fired from Bush I administration for leaking to Novak?
Is it true?

I just read it over at FreeperVille
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 06:25 PM
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1. Don't know. Even if it were, Rove is an advisor....
and can still make his evil brand of mischief from a distance. Firing isn't good enough for the likes of Rove.
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dobak Donating Member (808 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 06:27 PM
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4. yeah, but...
If he leaked to Novak once, why not again?

This time he would likely go to jail.
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 06:27 PM
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2. just talking about on that hottie Laura Ingraham's show
Edited on Tue Sep-30-03 06:27 PM by jenk
Fired in 91 after leaking something about the secretary of state.
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dobak Donating Member (808 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 06:29 PM
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7. hottie Ingraham...
I hate to admit it, but I think Ingraham is rather attractive. At least on the cover of her new book.

Coulter is too thin and far too shrill to ever be attractive. Plus, she is a man.
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 06:31 PM
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9. Ingraham seems warmer, and sexier
she's pretty thin herself, but not pointy like Coulter.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 07:09 PM
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14. Pretty on the outside...
...and I suppose fuckable...But would it be fun even TALKING to her?
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Loyal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 07:27 PM
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16. Nah
Edited on Tue Sep-30-03 07:28 PM by Loyal
But I'd take her over Coulter ANY DAY.
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:01 PM
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20. Wow, I get it now
It's the guy version of the chick who always dates "bad boys" and wonders why he stays out all night and then beats the crap out of her when he gets home except with you guys it's

pant, pant, pant, pant............. hump............. pant, pant, pant, pant .................................................
................................................................
Gee I wonder why she's such a BITCH?
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Oracle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:01 PM
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21. Only if I could put duct tape on her mouth, when we're done.
Edited on Tue Sep-30-03 09:06 PM by Oracle
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 08:49 PM
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19. Love your graphic <even him> LOL!
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 06:27 PM
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3. read all about it...
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 06:31 PM
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8. Well, how about that. Here's a clip of Pitt's truthout article
Edited on Tue Sep-30-03 06:31 PM by gristy
The Most Insidious of Traitors
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Tuesday 30 September 2003

"Even though I'm a tranquil guy now at this stage of my life, I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors."
-- George Herbert Walker Bush, 1999


Karl Rove, senior political advisor to George W. Bush, is a very powerful man. That is not to say he has never been in trouble. Rove was fired from the 1992 Bush Sr. campaign for trashing Robert Mosbacher, Jr., who was the chief fundraiser for the campaign and an avowed Bush loyalist. Rove accomplished this trashing of Mosbacher by planting a negative story with columnist Bob Novak. The campaign figured out that Karl had done the dirty deed, and he was given his walking papers.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 06:51 PM
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 07:07 PM
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13. Well, let's see. If you don't f'in know
then you would be accusing Mr. Pitt of plagarism with absolutely no factual basis of said accusation. I suggest you f'in READ Mr. Franken's book and TELL US exactly what sections he plagarized without atribution. Until then, go away.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 07:30 PM
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17. I have an idea.
Since you seem to be aware of supposed similarities between Mr. Pitt's article and Mr. Franken's book...why don't you tell us what they are...?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 10:42 PM
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22. Plagiarism?
That's interesting. Especially since it's bullshit. I wish those messages hadn't been deleted. Can anyone help me understand where, what and how I plagiarized? Since, in fact, I didn't?

:eyes:
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 10:54 PM
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24. Wonder if your accuser is brave enough...
to come back in here and say it again when you're here to defend yourself.

I'm guessing not.
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 06:28 PM
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5. yes indeed he was
he planted a false story with novak and got caught. had to be thrown overboard
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protect freedom impeach bush now Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 06:29 PM
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6. yup its true
Mr. Rove has done this kind of thing before, specifically using Robert Novak in that one notable attempt to cut down Mosbacher. Rove is a disciple of the undisputed heavyweight champion of political assassins, Lee Atwater, and has often reached into a deep bag of dirty tricks to accomplish his political ends. He knows no ideology beyond power, and has no bones about using it to wreak havoc on anyone who gets in his crosshairs. The Esquire article about DiIulio finds him recounting a singular Rove moment, as he overheard a conversation happening in another room: "Inside, Rove was talking to an aide about some political stratagem in some state that had gone awry and a political operative who had displeased him. I paid it no mind and reviewed a jotted list of questions I hoped to ask. But after a moment, it was like ignoring a tornado flinging parked cars. 'We will fuck him. Do you hear me? We will fuck him. We will ruin him. Like no one has ever fucked him!'"

Guess who was doing the cursing and threatening.

One last bit of inside baseball. When the Niger scandal erupted, the Bush administration went out of its way to blame the CIA for the mess, despite the fact that the CIA, along with the entire intelligence community, had been cut out of the loop by Don Rumsfeld's Office of Special Plans. The OSP, and its pet Iraqi Ahmad Chalabi, became the source for all of the information regarding Iraq's weapons capabilities, and a number of intelligence insiders have publicly blamed that group for the preponderance of highly erroneous data about Iraq. For the Bush administration to completely usurp the CIA by depending solely on data manufactured by the Office of Special Plans, and then to turn around and blame CIA when the OSPs data did not turn out to be true, is as insane as it is laughable. Yet this is what they have done. The CIA's calling for this investigation is nothing more or less than the Agency defending itself, proving out the oft-repeated warning that one scapegoats the CIA at their mortal peril.

Also, the fact that this data came to the Washington post from a White House official means that another Deep Throat may have just been born.

more at http://truthout.org/docs_03/093003A.shtml
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protect freedom impeach bush now Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 06:33 PM
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10. more history of Rove dirty tricks........
http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:H4xRVrd9HDsJ:www.texasmonthly.com/mag/issues/2003-03-01/feature2-2.php+Mosbacher+Rove+Novak&hl=en&ie=UTF-8


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BUT IT WASN'T ONLY BRILLIANCE that defined Karl Rove's reputation. As he rose in power and influence, the conviction grew among Democratic opponents and competing consultants that Rove was playing dirty, that his power was rooted in sleazy politics, that there was a dark side to his genius. The legend of Rove as "evil genius" dates all the way back to 1973, with a Washington Post story that appeared after the Watergate break-in, reporting that Rove had taught "dirty tricks" to college Republicans. According to Bad Boy, a biography of Lee Atwater, these included sifting through opponents' garbage to gather intelligence. The RNC chairman, the elder George Bush, conducted a month-long investigation and cleared Rove, which helps to explain Rove's career-long loyalty to the family. Another story in Bad Boy—Rove acknowledges that this one is true—tells how Rove had once stolen an Illinois state treasurer candidate's letterhead and put out flyers for a party that offered "free beer, free food, girls, and a good time."

But these were mere preludes to the real stuff of Texas political legend. During Clements' 1986 race against White, a bug was discovered in Rove's office. Democrats believed that it had been planted by Rove himself to discredit the opposition. The story made the national news. There was never any proof that he had done it, the culprit was never found, and Rove roundly denied having anything to do with it. Clements' campaign manager, George Bayoud, Jr., says, "The FBI told us that the company that had installed Rove's security system put it there. That's what they told us, and that's what we believed."

The campaign that permanently established Rove's reputation for foul play was Rick Perry's race against Jim Hightower for agriculture commissioner, in 1990. Rove and media consultant David Weeks persuaded Perry, an obscure Democratic legislator from Haskell who had co-chaired Al Gore's 1988 Democratic presidential primary campaign in Texas, to switch parties for the election. West Texas was swinging Republican anyway, and Perry, who was discouraged by his failure to advance in the House leadership and thinking of becoming a lobbyist, had nothing to lose. Hightower was the darling of the liberals, a wisecracking and outspoken populist who had been a big vote-getter for the Democrats in 1986. With Rove and the collective financial muscle of the Texas Republican community behind him, Perry ran a tough, negative campaign, charging that the agriculture commissioner's office was rife with scandal and abuse and using photos of Hightower with Jesse Jackson to paint Hightower as a left-wing activist. Perry even tried to link Willie Nelson's support of Hightower to a Kentucky candidate, also endorsed by Willie, who favored the legalization of marijuana.

A month before the election, Perry alleged that the FBI was investigating Hightower and his department. In the last days of the race, Perry claimed, in TV spots designed by Rove and Weeks, that "there will be people in the Department of Agriculture, going up to possibly its highest levels, who will be indicted." Not only did the negative ads work—Perry narrowly won, 49­48—but the information turned out to be eerily accurate. As a result of the FBI's investigation, three high-ranking officials in Hightower's administration were eventually indicted and convicted. But Hightower believes to this day that the FBI agent who investigated his department was really a pawn of Karl Rove's. He also thinks that Rove sent the FBI to investigate the offices of Democratic land commissioner Garry Mauro and Democratic state comptroller Bob Bullock. In other words, he is convinced that Rove had his own personal FBI agent he could use as he pleased.

more...........
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protect freedom impeach bush now Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 06:37 PM
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11. Texas Monthly on why Rove fired from Repug state Committee
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Rove's legend could cut both ways. During the 1992 presidential race, he was fired from the Republican state Victory Committee on orders from prominent Republican Rob Mosbacher for leaking a negative story about Mosbacher to commentator Robert Novak. The problem was that Rove was not the source of the leak, as Novak later acknowledged on CNN's Crossfire. Says Rove: "As far as I know, Mosbacher still thinks I am the one who did it."

All of this suggested a ubiquitous, prodigiously powerful political presence, a combination Machiavelli, medieval pope, and Rasputin, with a well-developed mean streak—someone truly, if you swallowed the myth, to be afraid of.

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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 07:43 PM
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18. I will Never ever think of Novak except as a Traitor to this
country!

Benedict Arnold! :bounce:
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retyred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 07:16 PM
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15. There is also a link
that Rove along with Michael Dannenhauer, chief of staff to former President George Bush, were the sources to the G.W. Bush's alleged cocaine use in the new introduction to J.H. Hatfield's "Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an American President."

Rumor has it that Rove used that leak with "W" as blackmail to get on W's staff because daddy fired him.




CLARK FOR PRESIDENT
"I'm going to give them the TRUTH and they'll THINK it's hell."
Retyred IN FLA.

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Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 10:46 PM
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23. True - Rove & Hatfield
Hatfield was suicided right after he wrote that story on the bush/bin Laden thingy.

Gee, do ya think KKKarl had something to do with that.

P.S. Love your thumb!
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