We're in very serious trouble environmentally. It might soon kill us all.

[Mairead]

How should we respond to that? CAN we respond to that in any effective way?

Should we just say screw it and hope some species succeeds us that does a better job?

Should we beg and plead with our rulers to do something constructive?

Should we take over the nation by force if necessary and compel changes?

Should we use our national superpower advantage to enforce changes worldwide?

Something else?

[Moochy]

1. New Space Race

We need to treat the environmental crisis as a new Space Race, and engage all of the major nations on a plan to study and halt global warming.
We need to get going on alternative energies, and maybe figure out if the "runaway" greenhouse gasses in greenland are really our slippery slope. If they are, then there might be a mega-engineering solution that is acheivable in our lifetimes. Put some saran wrap around greenland? hell I'm no scientist :) but I do think that we have to be able to tackle whatever comes our way without being defeatist.

RE: Species... My money is on the three-spined sticklebacks. :)

http://www.the-scientist.com/news/20011221/01

[cornermouse]

2. Locusts R US.

And I don't think we can do much about it at this point

[Deja Q]

3. Better us all than the machanations of a precious few who

think they're better than us by doing greedy, nasty things in the name of a religion that would never tolerate it (Christianity)...

[undergroundpanther]

4. I do not know what to do,myself.

Crazy people with their heads up their asses rule.
They got their criminal fingers on the nukes.All the nations with nukes threaten our lives and their own. The US is the only nation with nukes that has used them on another nation in an act of war.It was "the enemy" they rationalized. I think deep down the reason music is so full of angst,why art is ugly,why TV is violent,why all this craziness is sociopaths are who rule,and they could on qa whim destroy life as we know it.Terrible power in the hands of terrible people with no ethics,no character,no compassion who do not care,and there is no one allowed to get close to them who is not like them. Bush Santorum ect..all of them want power without responsibility.And because they all have no courage character or nobility or compassion they dominate,threaten keep the "lower classes" enslaved,working distracted anxious unhappy..

I think on a very deep level people are weary of life the struggle and strife,competition and deprivation and dreams that get broken when adulthood arrives and you long for the warmth of some other time,that never was,it is traumatic to exist in a world where bullies rule and nature is red in tooth and claw and death takes all and bullies get away with it because people are afraid to stand up for each other,because of social conditioning and abuses. And we all know nobody gets out of here alive.

The time has come... for destroying those who destroy the earth.
St John of Patmos AD 81 - 96, Rev 11.18


I myself at times feel very suicidal,and I get disgusted and sad at the people and their petty games and amusements and stuff they call"important" and feel this sadness deep inside all the time,it gnaws at my heart relentlessly,mI see the developers ripping apart the Earth and I wonder WHY? It is hard realizing the people most people call sane are bat shit crazy and cannot face it,as they wear their blinders because maybe deep down they see life itself for the individual's perspective is indeed unpredictable,unsafe, futile ,uncertain,overwhelming and violent and no one cares if it causes them risk or discomfort.And the saddest part is all we have is our own perspectives to relate to each other with..And that is not enough.

The world began without the human race and it will end without it.... Man has never - save only when he reproduces himself - done other than cheerfully dismantle million upon million of structures and reduce their elements to a state in which they can no longer be reintegrated.
Claude Levi-Strauss (b.1908)
Tristes Tropiques, 1955
Part 9, Chapter 40, Conclusion

"Each generation begins anew with fresh, eager, trusting faces of babies, ready to love and create a new world. And each generation of parents tortures, abuses, neglects and dominates its children until they become emotionally crippled adults who repeat in nearly exact detail the social violence and domination that existed in previous decades."
-- Lloyd deMause in The Psychogenic Theory of History

. . . To be fully open to the baby's emotional needs is to become reacquainted with oneself as a baby, to re experience the pain of being totally dependent and desperate in love and yet being shut out and feeling unwanted."
-- Robert Karen, Ph.D.

I do not know what to do...I wait...for the end...Because I cannot stop a wave or a belief or even my own death by holding up my hands yelling,Stop,Stop!!

[mom cat]

7. I feel that way too, yet something prods me to try to heed Gandhi's words:

Be the change you want to see in the world. I don't know if it will save "humanity" and frankly, I do not care. It might, however spare a few more critters that would otherwise been strangled in our poison.

[undergroundpanther]

8. I am the change

But if no one hears me..?? If a tree falls in the woods and no one sees or hears it..How would they know it fell?

I am but a gnat fart in a hurricane and No one listens to crazy people like me.No one cares.

I care,but what can a gnat do to stop a tidal wave?


The human race wants out of the evolution game.Human race is suicidal/homocidal..Gibve me a reason to stay? And the reply is silence or the chatter in your own head of anxious thoughts and ego wounds and traumas.
Too much trauma, too much pain,too many broken dreams for too many people, in this life for so many.And we see no end to death,struggle,fighting,hate,isolation,want and abuse .

I put my love out there but I know it only touches a few,and there are so many people who need to be loved back into life, and not enough people willing to love and be loved and love the lovers back.

[mom cat]

11. Sometimes the despair of it all is too much to bear... I too have felt

that I just wanted out of the madness. The pain of reality in the midst of such delusion is crushing, and few can bear to face the reality or the pain that goes with it. It sounds to me that you have a full dose of both the pain and the reality.
I hope that you can hang on and keep sending out the love that is so desperately needed and be a witness to the reality that hurts so bad. We will especially need attuned sensitive souls like you when reality starts getting worse.Then, even more than now, we will need you and your values and your insight. I am just so sorry that it hurts so bad. :hug::cry::hug:

[callous taoboy]

5. Buddy of mine has been doing climate change research

for the last thirty years. He believes it is too late to do much to stop the devastation of global warming. He compares any action on global warming to a steamship heading for a glacier: We can try to turn to avoid it but the ship's mass and speed are too great.

BTW- He lives in Juneau where he says it rains all of the time now. He said that back when he first moved there they would have a few periods of sunshine at least.

[ecoalex]

6. It's over...unless there is a revolution

With the concentration of the corporations accross the global landscape, they got Iraq didn't they? I don't see the end timers changing their minds until there is a revolution world wide.

They have Washington, the DLC Dems fracturing any opposition.

They have the elections, as with their tabulation lock, they win.

It looks like game set match > Winner, the global corporations.

With the introduction of religion, we see the end timer Prez, more idiocy to hasten global destruction, an abhorance of science, and the scientific method.

With more religion, we see a reverse in cultural progression, they pine for the return of "how it was" .

Nominee Roberts is such a conservative, has been shown to be anti women's rights ,Blacks Civil Rights, Enviornmental rights, voting in general. This is going backwards.

The American society is in the process of reverse parastolsis

in otherwords , this country is in the toilet, and it will take the world down with it, if we keep on keep'n on.


Listen to "it's nature's way" That was the 70's

In 2005 the polar ice caps melted, and glaciers disappeared.

What more does it take for the deniers to admit they are wrong?

The corporations have no conscious, and are in control of the world.

Only a world wide revolution will reverse global destruction.

[Conservativesux]

10. Soylent Green, anyone ?

[Mairead]

9. bump

[The2ndWheel]

12. Get rid of

centralized civilization, and go back to hunter/gatherer days? Outside of that, I don't see us stopping this machine. Not many(or not enough, especially with power) people want to stop the industrial nation-state. With the jobs, and the ability to live an extra 30 years so you can put up with the crap that much longer, etc, etc.

Now get back to your cubicle and stop thinking. You need to be more productive. This asking questions about the environment thing, it doesn't make your overlords a profit.