So Bush Lost a War

[stepnw1f]

Part of the PNAC plan, or going awry?

[SpiralHawk]

1. The failed BushCo administration goofs everything up

My Pet Goat, my ass.

[TahitiNut]

2. No. Even worse, he lost a peace.

:shrug:

[stepnw1f]

3. Good Point

I think.

[rodeodance]

4. Love it--should be a Dem talking point--that would rile them up!!

[opihimoimoi]

8. Cheerleader for WAR....Bring um ON, I'm a WAR PRESIDENT"

This guy and his peeps do all in their power to whip the war dance...

They want to rule so bad... they Lie, they cheat, and they steal for the power....then they have the audacity to paint their war efforts as GOOD. Spin it as you want, WAR IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.....

Bush has cost America and the WORLD BIG TIME.

[tinrobot]

5. On Sept 12, 2001 the entire world was behind us.

Now it seems most of the world is against us thanks to that assclown.

[wildwww2]

20. Sept 11, 2001 happened because of that assclown.

And the entire world doesn`t want to be behind us because Bu$h Inc. defecates on everyone except the super rich. And most of the people in the world are not super rich.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

[bemildred]

6. Two wars, so far. nt

[many a good man]

7. Part of the plan

They're in bed with Chalabi and the Iranis. See
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2026817&mesg_id=2026817

[Fire Walk With Me]

9. How much money did the Mil/Indus complex make from Bush War 2?

$72 mil Halliburton bonus, $9.9 bil missing, $200 bil or more moved from the US Treasury into friend's pockets, didn't they launch 70 cruise missiles during the first days of the invasion, costing $1 mil each? Shock and awe was very expensive, the military got lots of new weapons, demostrated their inventory for interested parties (of whom Iran and Iraq have been past clients)... While cutting vet's benefits, installing Night Watch (sorry, meant to say Homeland Security) and other freedom-eating institutions..

I'd say they've had a roaring success indeed. They don't need to do much more as the money's already been grabbed.

[ThoughtCriminal]

10. If the plan was to drive up the price of oil

it was win-win.

[unrepuke]

18. The point is HAVING a war. "Winning" it means nothing. As long

as there is a nickel to grab from somebody they are in business, and war is the biggest, most effective excuse they have. When everybody is dead and/or broke - the guy with the most money (points) wins the game.

[wli]

11. They can tell the judge which of the two it was -- in the Hague. n/t

[stepnw1f]

12. From Your Lips To God's Ears (nt)

[Ready4Change]

13. Define "Lost"

They've got a new foothold in the ME. New bases, and control over large amounts of oil. Military contracts are pumping raw money into their front pockets, and increased oil company profits are packing their back pockets. The carte blanche granted to them following 9/11 has established momentum by which they STILL run roughshod over rules, laws and our constitution, and despire horrendous approval ratings, they don't see any reason to stop.

What, exactly, have they "lost?"

[Jacobin]

14. Not really

They have no control over Iraqi oil. They can't get it out.

See this:

http://www.iags.org/iraqpipelinewatch.htm

Here's just the last few days of reports:



247. July 3 - attack on a key feeder pipeline that leads to the Daura refinery.
248. July 8 - mortar attack on the Daura oil refinery hit a pipeline attached to one of the reservoirs.
249. July 20 - attack on an oil pipeline that connects Bayji and Baghdad.
250. July 20 - 6:00 a.m. a roadside bomb exploded under the pipeline that goes from Kirkuk to the Daura refinery.
251. July 20 - late night attack on oil pipeline between Mahmoudiyeh and Latifiyehin in southern Iraq.
252. July 21 - insurgents incinerated an oil pipeline west of Samarra.
253. July 26 - two Iraqi security personnel were killed and three wounded by mortar fire near Bayji while guarding an oil pipeline.
254. July 28 - a bomb hit an oil pipeline conecting Bayji and Kirkuk. A gas pipeline that supplies Bayji power station was also damaged during the attack.
255. July 28 - a bomb on a railway line hit a train carrying oil products near Baghdad, causing a huge fire.
256. August 3 - an explosion damaged a pipeline used for shipping fuel to a Baghdad power plant north of the capital.
257. August 4 - 5:00a.m. three explosions set ablaze a pipeline near Kirkuk.


257 attacks on the pipeline system since the invasion began

[Jim Sagle]

15. They don't WANT Iraq's oil, they just want it OFF THE MARKET.

So yeah, they planned this.

[Jacobin]

16. I was quibbling with the word "control"

they don't 'control' the oil.

they can only choose not to get it.

[Ready4Change]

23. They win either way.

If they don't get it (now) prices increase and they make money.

If they do get it, they can funnel it through their own companies and, again, they make money.

Win-Win for them.

[Jacobin]

24. They'll never get it

but yes, its off the market, that's for sure

[cliss]

17. We lost the war in Iraq.

I know it hurts, but let's take a look at the facts.

It's hard to admit that the world's supposedly strongest military has lost to a small country with no military. That's painful to hear.

But it's true. In addition, we're broke. They gambled the mortgage money. None of this money is in current funds; it's all borrowed from the future.

Maybe the rest of the world will sympathize with us now?

[stepnw1f]

19. Nope... No Sympathy for US

"We" didn't lose this war. "We" didn't start the war to lose. "We" tried to stop it from happening. That's what WE lost. As a country "WE" didn't exist.

But now "WE" do, and now "WE" have to repair the damage regardless of who started and lost whatever. But "WE" will.

[B Calm]

21. I can't name a war we have won since WW2!

[Jacobin]

22. Grenada!!!!!

We swarmed the tiny island and subdued it!!!! Like an elephant stepping on an ant!!!!!

[B Calm]

25. I know Reagan called it war, but in reality it was a police action.

[UTUSN]

26. If It's a TEXAN and a WAR It's a LOSS N/T

[bridgit]

27. the only part that has gone awry, and only then in the minds...

of a few, is that the bush admin, their handlers as well certain & specific lobbies all; were willing to circumvent democracy to interject american blood & treasure into the ME. we are there now. and while a vast american landscape still goes golfing & shooting game bird, or on vacation with their favorite escapist notion, my sense is that the greater understanding of what has gone awry is not yet near being understood; that we actually soldiered forth on far less than a wing & a prayer but in fact a lie told only to ourselves when from within our so-called doctrine we acknowledge asymmetric future war while offering none but the same ole flat-footed, jolly green, war profiteering giant imo