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chenGOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:11 PM
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Riot police show up at rave in UTAH, fascism alive and doing very well.
http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/44470

Watch the video first and then read the article. scary scary. Regardless of your opinion on the music, this was pretty outrageous.

Here's a mirror of the video:

http://cutup.org/dir/fascism.mov




Apologies if this has been posted before.
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dave502d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:21 PM
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1. The only thing i can say is"fascism".I been trying to see this all day.
Thank You.
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Dynasty_At_Passes Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:23 PM
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2. How the hell did this happen?
Were they near an army base or something? Sure seems like it was brought on by everyone and their mother complaining of the noise.
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chenGOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:29 PM
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4. Please read the links contained in the original post.
A DJ who was to spin some records at this event gave a personal account. Here's an interesting inclusion:
Now.. let's get the facts straight here.

This event was 100% legal. They had every permit the city told them they needed. They had a 2 MILLION DOLLAR insurance policy for the event. They had liscenced security guards at the gates confiscating any alcohol or drugs found upon entry (yes, they searched every car on the way in). Oh, I suppose I should mention that they arrested all the security guards for possession.

Oh another interesting fact.. the police did not have a warrant. The owner of the land already has a lawsuit against the city for something similar. A few months ago, she rented her land for a party and the police raided that as well. And catch this, the police forced her to LEAVE HER OWN PERSONAL PROPERTY. That's right. They didnt arrest her, but made her leave her own property!!!


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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:26 PM
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3. They do look more like soldiers than police. Is it confirmed these
guys are police?
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:31 PM
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6. The cops don't wear fatigues around here - not even SWAT
Those guys look like military but they said in the other thread that they were SWAT etc... - who knows :shrug:
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chenGOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:41 PM
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8. Basically impossible to tell.
As the poster above pointed out, who knows?

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InfoMinister Donating Member (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:31 PM
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5. Some Links To Testimonials and Another Video Link
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StefanX Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:40 PM
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7. This is why this country is no fun any more
Edited on Mon Aug-22-05 09:42 PM by StefanX
You can't even go listen to a rave without the damn riot squad showing up with tear gas, attack dogs and assault rifles.

The police or whoever authorized this raid should be sued.

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blurp Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:58 PM
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11. Utah is a state. Not a country.
There are plenty of places you can live in this country where even open drug use and things like prostitution is tolerated.

Don't take the most religiously extreme state in the union and assume the whole country is the same.

It's actually healthy to have a diversity of standards. One size does not fit all.
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StefanX Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 10:12 PM
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13. It's not just Utah though
NYC is also more conservative. You can't smoke in bars. Bloomberg let the Repugs hold their convention in NYC and it got pretty ugly. Queerbashing and other hate crimes are on the rise. If you're caught with half a joint or an open beer can on the street you can get arrested. Street hookers aren't doing so well in NYC either. Corporations and greedly landlords have made the city unaffordable. Your bags can get searched when you get on the subway, and they're putting gas in the midtown subways as terrorism drills.

What happened in Utah is not "healthy" and it's not "diversity". It's illegal and fascist. Remember, the purpose of diversity is not to encourage things like Fascism, which is its opposite.

I've been around many parts of the US and I'm getting on in years. And I think most of the country sucks these days - including the parts that used to be "liberal".

If you know of a liberal part of the US where the living is easy these days, please let me know.

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StefanX Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 10:14 PM
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14. Blurp says "it's actually healthy to have a diversity of standards"
So I ask you Blurp:

Do you support what the riot squad did at that rave in Utah?

Do you support breaking up a legal party with attack dogs, assault rifles and tear gas in the name of "diversity"?

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blurp Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 10:20 PM
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16. Legal party?
http://www.co.utah.ut.us/News/DeptNewsDetails.asp?ID=17759&WN_System=SHERIFF

Rave Party
Utah County Sheriff's Office shuts down Rave Party in Spanish Fork Canyon.

During the summer of 2005 the Utah County Sheriff's Office has seen an increase in the number of large Rave parties that have occurred within Utah County. Approximately four weeks ago the Sheriff's Office became aware of another possible Rave party that was to occur somewhere in Utah County on August 20, 2005.

Tickets were sold through a Salt Lake vendor, Uprock, for $20.00. Tickets could be bought in advance and directions to the exact location of the Rave would be provided on the day of the event.

Utah County mass gathering ordinance prohibits the gathering of two hundred and fifty or more persons without a permit, bond, and Utah County Commission approval.

Research was conducted and no mass gathering permit had been obtained for this incident. However, a health department permit had been obtained and EMS personnel were contracted to be on scene for first aide.

From several previous experiences with Rave parties of this size, a large amount of drug use and underage consumption of alcohol occur. In addition reports of sexual assaults, overdoses, firearm violations, vehicle burglaries, and numerous individuals drive from the party under the influence of alcohol and or drugs.

Utah County Sheriff's Office Detectives interviewed several females that had attended a prior rave party in the Utah county area in the past month that had been sexual assaulted. These females stated that the combination of drugs and alcohol made them fear for their safety due to the groping and sexual assaults that occurred during the Rave party. In the last year alone one near fatal shooting was investigated by Utah County Sheriff's Office at a similar party.

Around noon on Saturday, August 20th, the Sheriff's office learned that the Rave Party was to take place in the Diamond Fork area located in Spanish Fork canyon at the Child's ranch. At that point it was again verified that the Utah County Commissioner's office had no knowledge of this nor had a permit been obtained.

Utah County Major Crimes was contacted to assist with undercover surveillance. Both local and state SWAT teams were called in to control the crowds ( Utah County Metro SWAT, Utah Department of Corrections out of Salt Lake and Gunnison, Department of Public Safety and their helicopter and Provo SWAT) approximately 90 law enforcement personnel combined.

At 9 pm the Rave party began and by 10 pm Major Crimes observed numerous illegal activities. Which included illegal use of drugs, distribution of drugs, and underage consumption of alcohol.

It was verified that more than 250 individuals were at the party, in violation or county statutes and by 11:30 pm law enforcement personnel moved in to curtail and disburse the party. During this process at least 60 arrests were made for weapons offenses, DUI, illegal underage consumption of alcohol, possession of marijuana, possession of cocaine, possession of methamphetamine, possession of ecstasy, distribution of ecstasy, resisting arrest, assault on a police officer, and disorderly conduct.

A safety sweep was conducted after the crowd was ordered to disburse and numerous narcotic items were located scattered on the ground which included: cocaine, ecstasy, marijuana, mushrooms, alcohol and large amounts of drug paraphernalia.

A 17 year old female from West Jordan, found by officers, had overdosed on ecstasy. She was treated and released to her parents.

Several local teenagers from Spanish Fork, Springville, Provo, and Payson were identified at the party by officers. As well as, numerous individuals out of the Salt Lake and Davis County area.

Parents need to be aware of the type of illegal activities that occurs at these type of gathering. Sexual assaults, rapes, overdoses, drugs, alcohol abuse, thefts, and firearms violations. The sale of drugs at these parties is so prevalent that at this particular Rave party drugs were offered to a local off duty emergency medical service personnel who were contracted to be there. In addition two security personnel hired by the promoter were arrested for possession of cocaine and ecstasy

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StefanX Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 10:29 PM
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17. Even if without permits, do you agree riot squad should have been used?
Edited on Mon Aug-22-05 10:44 PM by StefanX
That was the question I asked - admittedly to put you on the spot. I guess I did, because you sidestepped it.

You cite a Utah Sheriff website saying the party didn't have permits. Other posters here http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/44470 say the party was legal. So that point is up in the air.

Of course, we might expect the Sheriff's website to say that the party was illegal - if they're about to get sued, they need to cover their ass.

A DJ at the party makes convincing claims that the party WAS legal:

Now.. let's get the facts straight here.

This event was 100% legal. They had every permit the city told them they needed. They had a 2 MILLION DOLLAR insurance policy for the event. They had liscenced security guards at the gates confiscating any alcohol or drugs found upon entry (yes, they searched every car on the way in). Oh, I suppose I should mention that they arrested all the security guards for possession.

Oh another interesting fact.. the police did not have a warrant. The owner of the land already has a lawsuit against the city for something similar. A few months ago, she rented her land for a party and the police raided that as well. And catch this, the police forced her to LEAVE HER OWN PERSONAL PROPERTY. That's right. They didnt arrest her, but made her leave her own property!!!

-- Du post from ChenGod


Howevever, whether the party had secured all legal permits or not, the question still remains: Was sending in the riot squad (with attack dogs, tear gas and assault rifles) the right way to handle this?

This is the question I asked Blurp - and Blurp has yet to answer. Blurp said what happened was a "healthy" sign of "diversity".

I say that Fascism is the opposite of diversity. Does Blurp feel that diversity means we have to allow Fascism?

So please answer my question: Should the riot squad be used to break up a party? (I won't say whether the party is legal or not since that is up in the air.) But we know the party was not violent.

I feel that using attack dogs and assault rifles and tear gas needlessly escalates the situation. It might could turn a mere permit violation and some drug use into a much bigger tragedy.





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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:46 PM
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9. Maybe they thought Osama was into Bass and Drums...(nt)
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:51 PM
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10. Isn't * in Utah today? Maybe they thought these folks were
threats to *.
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newswolf56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 10:05 PM
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12. I would expect to see much more of this sort of thing...
as the oligarchy tightens its strangle-hold on America. This is part of the message of the Bush/Christofascist alliance: not only will the people be forcibly drugged by the opiate of religion, fun will be everywhere outlawed too.

Obviously, When fun is outlawed, only outlaws will have...
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growlypants Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 10:14 PM
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15. Ya know, that damn xtasy and marijuana makes you violent as a rabid dog
:sarcasm:
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theearthisround Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 10:30 PM
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18. Military Troops, Rifles, Tear Gas, Sexually Molesting women, Marshall Law
Edited on Mon Aug-22-05 10:31 PM by theearthisround
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growlypants Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 10:34 PM
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19. Thats just totally vile. We're becoming Germany, circa 1939
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