Something really has to be done about Pat Robertson

[ObaMania]

Hell, you think if any of us said anything like the following we'd still be walking free to talk about it? What a piece of shit.

"If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war."
-- On Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, August 2005

"If they look over the course of 100 years, I think the gradual erosion of the consensus that's held our country together is probably more serious than a few bearded terrorists who fly into buildings."
-- On whether "activist judges" are more of a threat than terrorists, May 2005

"Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up."
-- Referring to the State Department's location while criticizing the agency, October 2003

[madmax]

1. If any one of us said this:

"Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up."
-- Referring to the State Department's location while criticizing the agency, October 2003

we'd be locked up as a terrorist threat and never see the light of day or a lawyer.

[JHB]

17. Maybe not that...

...but it would certainly be used as an excuse to monitor you and any group you were even remotely connected to. And the threat of being Gitmoized would make nice blackmail to coerce someone into being an informant or provoceteur.

[Orrex]

18. Hey, you're way off base

He was joking

and you're taking him out of context

and it's all a liberal smear campaign

and he's speaking figuratively

and he's a straight-shooter who speaks from the heart

and blah blah blah...

[Kagemusha]

2. Venezuela should press for criminal charges.

Even if nothing comes of it, the effort should be made.

[NewJeffCT]

3. He is just spouting mainstream Republican ideas

Ann Coulter has called for the US to kill all the Muslim leaders so we can convert the masses to Christianity.

Phil Gramm, former Senator from Texas, wants liberalism to get to the point where they hunt down liberals using hunting dogs.

Ken Mehlman (sp), I believe, thinks Karl Rove should get a medal for treason.

[ObaMania]

4. They should all be locked up. n/t

[sniffa]

5. i'm praying for his death

[tblue37]

6. Who would Jesus assassinate?

This sounds like a fatwa, like the one against Salman Rushdie. How can anyone think our homegrown religious fanatics are any different from those who put out that fatwa?

[LaurenG]

7. I'll say it again

and the spirit of WHO lives within this moron? The council of churches must censor and indict him for satanic talk. Ex-communicate him from his church and take away his "license to preach". :spank:

[mattclearing]

8. Hell no, I want good old Pat front and center.

Let the people know what the right wing is all about.

There's nothing Christian about advocating murder.

[GoBlue]

9. Pat is doing plenty...

to discredit the religious faith fear that he hawks.

[seabeyond]

10. dobson, how to beat an 18 month old with leaving signs

and fathers, take sons in to showers to look at your penis so he can see you are igger, ergo dominant stallone, stag what ever. no wonder they have farm animal issues

[Iris]

11. seriously?

Is this stuff for real? How to spank your baby w/o leaving marks? Dick-measuring between father and son?

[seabeyond]

15. well, of course my interpretation, but then i am pretty damn good

maybe someone can provide the words. i know i saved some of his stuff, will see. the penis was on this board for a couple days

[Iris]

20. oh dear god.

[seabeyond]

27. dear dear god, these misguided souls, assassinate a man

in the name of the lord

[seabeyond]

22. generally pretty fair. he says beat. and i was high at 18 months

Dobson advocates the spanking of children from 15-18 months to eight years old. According to Dobson, "pain is a marvelous purifier." (Dare to Discipline, p.6) He argues that "it is not necessary to beat the child into submission; a little bit of pain goes a long way for a young child. However, the spanking should be of sufficient magnitude to cause the child to cry genuinely." (Ibid., p.7.)

In The Strong-Willed Child (p.73), Dobson writes: "Some strong-willed children absolutely demand to be spanked, and their wishes should be granted." As for the magnitude of the spanking, he argues that "two or three stinging strokes on the legs or buttocks with a switch are usually sufficient to emphasize the point, 'You must obey me.'" (The Strong-Willed Child, pp. 53-4.)

Dobson directly connects parental authority to social authority: "By learning to yield to the loving authority...of his parents, a child learns to submit to other forms of authority which will confront him later in his life -- his teachers, school principal, police, neighbors and employers." (The Strong-Willed Child, p. 235.)

He frequently portrays the child as the natural enemy of the parent and emphasizes that it is necessary to punish the child to uphold parental authority. "When you are defiantly challenged, win decisively." (Dare to Discipline, p. 36.)

In The Strong-Willed Child, Dobson draws a strong analogy between child rearing and dog rearing. He tells a story in which the family dog refuses to leave his resting place on the lid of the toilet seat. According to Dobson, a "vicious fight" between him and the dog resulted in which he "fought him up one wall and down the other, with both of us scratching and clawing and growling and swinging the belt ." He concludes that "just as surely as a dog will occasionally challenge the authority of his leaders, so will a little child--only more so." (emphasis Dobson)

To deal with crying, Dobson recommends: "Real crying usually lasts two minutes or less but may continue for five. After that point, the child is merely complaining, and the change can be recognized in the tone and intensity of his voice. I would require him to stop the protest crying, usually by offering him a little more of whatever caused the original tears." <2>
http://johnsoncity.blogspot.com

[seabeyond]

25. the penis, comparing to animals hierarchy is my interpretation

but then that comes from living with it in the panhandle of texas, and sending my kids to christian (turned into fundie) school. and the last three four years of republican sexual perversions

[Iris]

31. This is horrifying!

Oh my God! I don't know what's worse, the way he treats his dog or the way he treats his son!

My guess is that Dobson has a very, very , very small penis himself and is using his power over weaker beings to feel better about himself.

[seabeyond]

33. a funny. logistically focus on family is our neighbor

he is in colorado springs. we are in the panhandle of texas. the biggest, center city in all this area. i am watching a bond, connection, like a fungus feeds its way into this town with dobson. my kids in a christian school, i watched the connection. the guy who ran the school, hooked up with the minister and THE CHURCH. they changed the name recently.

anyway, last spring my niece got a big envelope from focus on the family. i wanted to know why she was singled out. and why i didnt know about it. and what it was before giving to her. they couldnt believe i might have a problem

there was a book dobson wrote about him

i decided i needed to read to understand. first two pages a really stupid, non connected in love, a fake letter to his son. couldnt read, so stupid. then goes to talk about dobson, two paragraph down, in print said "and he is a mans man"

put the book down and said what the fuck

any man i know that has to say he is a mans, man, is not a man

[Iris]

34. "any man i know that has to say he is a mans, man, is not a man"

good point!

There is a book called "Baby Wise" that is written by fundies. They've rewritten it for a secular audience but the child-hating behind it is still there and is exactly what you are describing of Dobson.

[Akoto]

29. Yes, he really did say ...

He thinks that fathers should shower with their sons, so that they can see how the father's penis is bigger. This is somehow supposed to imprint masculinity upon the child and "discourage homosexuality".

[converted_democrat]

30. yep.

I read the post about Dobson's "discipline" ideas and was astounded. It was on this board a couple months back. It was awful. It said that if you have done everything you can to care for them and they still cry you should strike them. It also said that babies are "depraved", and it told where to strike them not to leave marks. It also said you should "break" their "spirit" before the age of 2.

The other article about Dobson and his penis was on a week or so back. It claimed you could train your male child not to be gay if you showed him your penis in the shower. --No joke.

[Iris]

32. Jeez! I'm lucky to be alive. (Thanks, Dr. Spock!)

I cried incessantly as a baby. My mother tells stories of holding Dr. Spock's book in one hand open to the page that said, "Sometimes babies cry for no reason" while she rocked my crying infant self all night long.

Thanks, Mom!

[ProfessorGAC]

12. Let's Send Him To Venezuela To Talk To Chavez About His Plans

That'll take care of the problem, i would think.
The Professor

[DBoon]

13. Dump him in Baghdad outside the green zone

stark naked with only a bible and a cross

His god will protect him.

[Talismom]

14. ROFL! Do it now! n/t

[goodboy]

16. The more he stays out there, the more people will see what the

right wingers are all about...

[Orrex]

23. And the more they'll embrace it, apparently

Sure, Dubya's numbers are down, but I hear no one on the vocal Right--and I mean no one--condemning Robertson for his hate-speech.

[JHB]

24. Don't be so sure. He's been out there pretty frikkin long...

...and he's still there.

[ContraBass Black]

19. A very small nuke?

I wasn't aware of the existance of such a thing.

[Al-CIAda]

21. Email the FCC. slam them with complaints. nt

[xchrom]

26. cream pie.

just not chocolate -- that's my fav.

[Double T]

28. Pat Robertson must be gearing up for a run for the White House......

and he wants to show everybody how tough he can be. Pat will squash those evil Iraqi Insurgents and bring Christianity to all countries of the Middle East. Pat must have intentionally overlooked one of the Ten Commandments, like his good Christian brother George W., something about thou shall not kill. I guess their GOD will forgive them for this oversight, maybe?

[tanyev]

35. Oh, yeah, that 2008 slot is up for grabs.

I think I remember reading Pat was going to run for president in 2000 but when Georgie became a contender he bowed out because he knew that Georgie was also part of the religious wrong.

[ladjf]

36. Assassination is a Christian family value. Where the hell have you

been?