Rummy on msnbc the constituon he is talking of at the moment.

[rodeodance]

[rodeodance]

1. he is saying of the insurgants are losing.

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2. saying there have always been those who predicted America's failure.

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5. "american's are a tough lot and will see their commitments through"

[Lasher]

18. Does that apply to Dubya?

Dubya is a tough guy, seeing his committments through by sitting around on his ranch with his thumb up his butt.

[rodeodance]

23. well, you know that unreality thing is being re-evaluated (says the WH

aids).

[Lasher]

13. Guess he thinks his name is America

Rummy has failed, as predicted.

[etherealtruth]

4. Does he appear drunk ?

That would be an explanation for misunderstanding reality!

[rodeodance]

7. he seems and talks rather subdued today. no funny smiles (yet).

[Jacobin]

14. He does look quite subdued

Only a couple of his 'clever snips'


He knows he's fucked.

He knows history will laugh at him and lump him in with leaders like General Custer

[SodoffBush]

70. The US has lost 7 soldiers in the last 24 hours

[rodeodance]

74. I have to dig for that information under other headlines.

[GreenPartyVoter]

3. Sounds like nothing new there

[Spazito]

6. I am so confused!

Is that a known unknown or a known known or an unknown known?

[rodeodance]

8. Is there a real danger of the US being caught up in a real civil war?

[rodeodance]

10. rummy says that a civil war not happened. the people are moving to-

gether--just the opposite of what we would see if a civil war was pending.

[etherealtruth]

19. ...and I believe him

:sarcasm:

[Spazito]

20. LOL, real civil war versus an 'unreal' civil war?

[sarcasmo]

9. He almost looks scared. Did KKK Carl Rove give him a talking to?

[rodeodance]

12. umm.. i think just on the quiet side.

[Jacobin]

11. No more safe havens for insurgents!!!!!!

Wow this is great news. Has anyone told american soldiers that?

[rodeodance]

15. odd, rummy says people are being trained elsewhere and then going

into Iraq. the reverse of what is know.

[rodeodance]

16. a reporter had asked-Do you believe that terrorists are being trained

in Irag?

[Jacobin]

17. Yes. They are not gaining any experience in warfare in Iraq

How could anyone be so delusional?

:crazy:

[rodeodance]

21. Who always says that Iraq is now a breeding ground for terrorists.?

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22. rummy says need 30,000 to do the job of the military--move from

desk jobs to active duty was one of them. te he--bet they will have lots of resignations or not re-enlisting. he is talking of base closings.

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26. oh oh--a Cindy question.

[Jacobin]

29. He's vewy vewy sad about that

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30. deaths (have) contributed to the liberation of Irag--the ZaKowee's

of this world. Our task is to help them understand--and help the country understand.

[rodeodance]

31. Rummy avoided the question and did not really respond --unless that

would be his answer.

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35. Is the fact that the contamination of nuclear fuel was found to be from

Pak--does this decrease the threat? Rummy said he would leave the intel to the intel people.

[Roland99]

38. Anything he's afraid to answer with the real truth he deflects.

[0007]

77. Does Rummy realize that junior has taken a sovereign nation and

turned it into a roach infested slum for Islamic extremists?

[Roland99]

34. You mean 2 1/2 years later and we still can't control the borders?

No wonder Clark Kent al Zarqawi keeps moving about and those messages from bin Laden keep filtering through.

Not to mention those Iranian infrared bombs.

[Barrett808]

25. Funny, The Guardian just had extensive coverage of a safe haven

Under US noses, brutal insurgents rule Sunni citadel
Guardian gains rare access to Iraqi town and finds it fully in control of 'mujahideen'
August 22, 2005

The executions are carried out at dawn on Haqlania bridge, the entrance to Haditha. A small crowd usually turns up to watch even though the killings are filmed and made available on DVD in the market the same afternoon.

One of last week's victims was a young man in a black tracksuit. Like the others he was left on his belly by the blue iron railings at the bridge's southern end. His severed head rested on his back, facing Baghdad. Children cheered when they heard that the next day's spectacle would be a double bill: two decapitations. A man named Watban and his brother had been found guilty of spying.

With so many alleged American agents dying here Haqlania bridge was renamed Agents' bridge. Then a local wag dubbed it Agents' fridge, evoking a mortuary, and that name has stuck.

(more)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1553781,00.html

[Jacobin]

28. The entire country is a safe haven

[rodeodance]

39. send this to Rummy.

[Frederik]

40. What a complete and utter nightmare

What's going to become of this mess?

[Roland99]

69. Here's what he said yesterday about the insurgency:

Now then, you could say, well, maybe if you got that fixed, there wouldn't be so many violent instances of acts by insurgents. I think the other way to look at it is that the insurgents are part of the reason why those services are low, because they're attacking oil lines and they're attacking electrical -- the electrical grid and trying to make the Iraqi government unsuccessful. That -- the insurgents are doing that.

So I think there's no way to answer your question as to how long will it take to get those services up, because to the extent -- it's a heck of a lot easier to blow up an oil line or take down an electrical power station than it is to build one.

I thought the insurgency was largely eliminated? Last throes? We're winning and all that jazz....

[w8liftinglady]

24. Now talking about base closures

..and how it will increase troop size..

[Panda1]

43. "It's a very open process"

"It's a very open process, it's on television...spent two, two and a half years, working on this...the data was arranged..certified, presented to the commission with recommendations
Now we're seeing marketing data from states...
(What we have is )certified data vs information that's been gathered for the purpose of making a point.
I don't know what the commission said...the GAO said...I only know what I read in the paper."

"Modularization...cost avoidance..."


"I looked at this work product...I made a decision that this was our chance in maybe a quarter of a century...interest of the taxpayers, there wasn't an ounce of politics in any aspect of it...it would be risky for me to second guess..."

[Lasher]

27. Maybe he'll say...

he has found the Weapons of Mass Destruction Program Related Activities. No wait, I think Dubya already took credit for that.

[Jacobin]

32. No but he did say something about 'deadenders'

And he wasn't nearly so dismissive of them as he used to be, i guess because now he knows that he's a deadender

[Jacobin]

33. He wouldn't answer the question about comparisons between

Viet Nam and IraqNam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Funny stuff. "too many differences to go into here....."

He looks like he wants to cry

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42. te he

[Roland99]

36. Will there be a full transcript of this someplace?

[rodeodance]

44. probably on the Pent. website later>

[Roland99]

45. ah...probably so.

I'm having some premature senior moments today.


;)

[Lasher]

49. We're Creating One

I think this message string is about the best transcript we'll ever see. Hahahahaha!

[Panda1]

37. "A return to darkness"

Iraq?

"I think it'll have the support of the American people...the alternative is to turn that country over to terrorists and people who have used chemicals on their people...a return to darkness."

Vietnam?

"The differences...too long to list them."

[rodeodance]

46. the dark--is Cheney talk.

[Lasher]

56. Cheney Talk?

Is he saying, "in fact" in about half his sentences?

[Jacobin]

41. Somebody needs to give this fuckwad some Prozac

I've never seen him so down before.....guess his quagmire is getting him down.

No cute little snippy answers.

No swaggering.

Sounds whiney and hopeless.

:bounce:


:bounce:

[rodeodance]

47. must have had a few long weeks with all the US dead this month.

[rodeodance]

48. rummy says the increase in problems in Afgan is due to upcoming

elections (sept 18).

[Jacobin]

50. Yes. Every time there is an 'improvement' things get worse

See how that works?

[rodeodance]

51. real nonchalant about saying maybe a 1000 or 2000 increase in US

troops going to Irag for the elections--'like we did in the past'--

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53. now rummy is getting a bit hyper--what sparked him?? I missed it.

[Jacobin]

54. someone asked about what if the constitution isn't agreed on

Herr Rummy flipped his lid completely


I think the man is utterly insane

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57. thanks --te he--up that sure sparked his goat!!

[Jacobin]

52. OOOOOHHHHHHHHHH MYYYY, He's LOSING IT!!!!!!!!!

what if this? what if that?

Hard work!!

call the guys in white coats

[rodeodance]

55. it was some question he claimed was a hypothetical situation--then he

went bonkers with hands flying. now all calmed down.
let do it again!!!!!!

[rodeodance]

58. missed it about Pat. R. question--what did Rummy say?--reporter said

he took 2 qeestions on this.

[Jacobin]

59. "he's a private citizen, they say lots of things, its illegal"

He didn't condemn it of course, since his silly ass tried to knock off Chavez last year and he fucked it up like he fucks everything up

[rodeodance]

62. well, we know the US never does anything illegal--so things are cool

with Rummy - te he.

[Lasher]

60. Show 'em you're tough.

He’s got to show these right-wingers that he’s got a back bone, ya know? Wall Street Journal editorial page is watching. You show ‘em you’re tough…

[Panda1]

63. "I don't Do hypotheticals!"

"What's this, what's that, what's this what's that.....?"

When he "loses his temper" like that it's to avoid answering a given question. A ploy, a game, a lie.

If he can't do hypotheticals what the fuck is he doing in charge of all those weapons??? HE had control over whether or not to shoot down the "little plane that could" over D.C. airspace while Chimpy rode his trike. But he can't do hypotheticals. Bullshit!!!! LYING ASSHOLE!

[rodeodance]

64. and I don't do windows. yeah.

[SodoffBush]

76. Well put, Panda

[ellenfl]

61. reminds me of

"who's this 'we', kemosabe"? (tonto to the lone ranger)

rummy can be as tough as he wants . . . preferably in iraq.

ellen fl

[rodeodance]

66. now msnbc is saying that the President is sharpening his tone with Cindy

-she does not represent many of the families I have met--says Jr.

[rodeodance]

67. reporter saying Pres 'seems ready to take her on" whow whow whow

[rodeodance]

68. Pres. says Sunnies have to make a choise--live free or in violence.

[rodeodance]

71. Bartlett, The President and Now Rumsfield all talking of Irag--they

want some coverage as Cindy has been most of it. --so that is why all the press stuff today.

[SodoffBush]

73. Who was this reporter and what station?

[rodeodance]

75. sorry, msnbc had finished the Rummy stuff--went to their reg. news.

[SodoffBush]

72. He has barely met any and has attended NO funerals!

What in the hell is he talking about??

[Lasher]

65. Easy to say

Lots of people want to be tough, using somebody else's family members for cannon fodder.