Obesity and rank rant.

[undergroundpanther]

Gluttony is a sin,the evidence of sin to these simple minded people is an enlarged girth.Scapegoat the sinner it's all the rage..it'll make you feel superior and raise your rank among your peers..

Bash the fat people,bash the poor, bash the women,bash the non white, Bash anything and anyone different than the ruling elite's idealized image we get forece fed from outr parents as desireable!!We..Must.. NEVER bash the white straight elitist RICH!! WE..Must..never denigrate the most charismatic shallow pretty and vain popular sociopaths,the Ceos and kings who live so well and with such status they do not deserve becoming ghastly rich off of our denied dreams when we go to work for THEM. We must submit to the almighty asshole and live in our confusion,fear and abject misery for them to live well..Fueled by our predisposition of obeying "authorities" and our fear of poverty and fear of getting a low social rank!

Whatta load of crap.Yet everyday pepople play that same old game, obeythe alpha, obey the boss and kick the nearest socially sanmctioned human dog you can find that will take it.

This medieval Church and chimp like way of thinking is alive and well in 2005,and I see it in the"health consious crowd".These "self declared mouthpieces of authority act like shit throwing chimpanzees when obesity comes up for discussion. I for one am tired of it.The old "hellmouth" morality lesson is still around even on DU and it shows it's ugly bias everywhere obesity issues are discussed.Look and you will always find there is always a self congradulating chorus of biased self righteous busybody uninformed people and food phobics looking for a big fat scapegoat to prop their egos up among thier peers who are speaking their opinions couched in "science" which is if you peel away the hype ~ socially sanctioned and reinforced bigotry..and social hierarchical stupidity.

http://www.dimensionsmagazine.com/news/dc_shape_u_1.html


Put up a study that contradicts any of their pet theories that excuse their bigotry and they will not read it. They automatically doubt and smear ANYTHING that goes against their feel good food phobic or fat phobic beliefs. It's like they desperately want to prove fat people are morally inferior to thin people.Prove that fat people are inferior, craven, gluttons and cannot control themselves around food and are therefore unworthy of love,inclusion or respect that thin people assume they deserve because look at me I am the RIGHT SIZE! and I look so HEALTHY I must be RIGHTIOUS!
The obesity arguments, can get very classest considering the link between poverty and obesity.But than again people who do not want to look classest,they will overlook that inconvienent damning link between poverty and obesity and would rather go on blaming the victim than ever blame the corrupt social system of"rank and status" or hate the few insanely rich uncaring sociopathic people we are all supposed to desire that use this two faced unfair unequal system to have lives of opulence at all of our expense.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/01/040105071229.htm


Fat people CAN die from social shame and bullying.Fat people can be killed by bigots like gay people or black people are.And self righteous food police and pressures to be something you are not drive fat people into depression and despair.But I wouldn't expect a food cop to have THAT kind of empathy and listening skills conncerning someone they are taught by this crazy culture assume is thier moral inferior.Fat people are suffering,willing, even eager to carve out chunks of thier own stomach,in weight loss surgery or endure painful liposuction to appease the hierarchical demands of a thin dominated bigoted rank based society. Fat people suffer to be accepted as a person ,something the thin people automatically get,for being thin and fitting the social ideal that we have all been programmed to desire and compete for even if it kills us.

Thin people who have been fit all their life are not any experts on the condition of fat people's lives,people who lose 20,30 vanity pounds are not aware of what obesity is really like. These people are talking out their ass. People who have been both fat and thin DO know the world treats you very differently when you are heavy.

what is weight bigotry..
http://www.cswd.org/discfaqs.html

An example of how evil this bigotry is
http://home.comcast.net/~bkrentzman/editorials/fat.bas.html

And a clip from a news article about a little girls way of coping
with fat bigots at her school.

Last week, it emerged that overweight six-year-old Tanya McHale, from Southampton, who had been teased at school because of her weight, tried to cut her fat off using a carving knife after being told she was too big to jump on her sister’s birthday trampoline.

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=403402003

http://www.bigfatblog.com/archives/001698.php


Lets set this bullshit straight. Non obese people you are not experts on fat people's food situations. TO US you look like moralizing controlling food police and you judge us with every breath.Why because you arrogantly see yourselves as BETTER people than fat people are.No one I know who is fat deliberately plans on becoming fat,it HAPPENS to us.. So Your"advice" on diets or overcoming the"sin " of gluttony is tainted with your moral disdain of fat and therefore is rendered bigoted in my eyes.Until you Sympathize and admit the bigotry our culture reinforces twords fat people your "advice" and opinions are nothing but the same old claptrap I hear out of any other self righteous bigot.

If you are not understanding of the plight of fat people and do not want to hear what THEIR experiences ARE and would rather FIX them..It is clear to be you want to make them ashamed of their bodies you want to force them to be thin like you,you use health scares and bigotry to do it and fellow people looking for a way to feel an ego boost jump on the status seeking bandwagon. I for one,tell you,Take your rank pulling bullshit game, your medieval bigoted morality and skewed health statistics and eat it.
http://www.size-acceptance.org/obesity_myths.html
http://www.seniorjournal.com/NEWS/Fitness/5-03-15FitnessSurvey.htm

Being fat is hell in this food phobic body image obsessed culture and carping about the evils of being fat does not help anyone.
Also the fat issue is VERY complex and diets do not work most of the time,in fact if you diet you get fatter.I do not expect thin people to GET THAT.

http://www.aweighout.com/next/next_research.shtml
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=25384

I am big I am beautiful intelligent creative and strong,I make an excellent friend to good hearted people.Bigoted people would rather not see that kind of character and warmth shining out from inside me it makes it harder for them to feel superior to me..And alot of fat people are beautiful inside AND out just like me or any other good hearted person. I do not care what any "food police" and BMI obsessed people think about weight..they are BIASED.. I have the right to be who I am as does everyone else ,I have a right to look like I look,and I have the right to be loved by people who choose to love me for being myself,even if some bigoted people (who will SWEAR up and down they haven't a bigoted bone in their bodies)would rather snub me because they don't like my body type..Well to them I say , don't look asshole.Take responsibility for where you cast your own damn eyes,and Fuck you too!

I am heavy and like everyone else, I am worthy of being listened to,loved and to participate in life.If you don't like that..kiss by big fat ass, Don't worry there is plenty of space on my ass for you and all your freinds to kiss.

[wryter2000]

1. Quoth the moron

Its bloody easy. I am neither particularly atheletic, nor especially intelligent. I manage to eat loads and loads of food (I enjoy eating) and yet remain LESS THAN 11 STONE. I eat meat, meat, meat, burgers, pasta, hot dogs, cakes, chocolate, loads and loads of cheese and milkshakes and all that stuff (I have very low blood colesterol as well) so you don't have to give that stuff up

That's the whole point, you bloody moron. Svelte, brainless little you can eat whatever you want and your metabolism keeps you at 11 stone.

I've been heavy, and right now, I'm on the high side of "normal" by appearance, but the BMI would have me with one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel. The whole thing is bogus.

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. That poor little girl cutting herself up like that!

I admit to having thoughts of that nature.. but never actually doing it. :cry:

[ironman202]

3. with you all the way baby

[maxsolomon]

4. guns, obestiy & pit bulls

sure get people's dander up here!

[undergroundpanther]

5. Notice all the threads

on obesity that say NOTHING about social RANK get tons of responses.. Funny all I got here was 4!! And they all agree.. Incredible ain't it what a little honesty can do to a "debate" that is really a rank pulling bullshit parade??

[undergroundpanther]

6. kick

[Siena]

9. That's not why you aren't getting replies.

Why respond when you have all the answers?

[maxsolomon]

16. plus, it is nearly unreadable

[txaslftist]

17. Heheheheh.

[Pithlet]

25. Looks like they smelled blood

They're already starting to slowly make their way into this thread. Can't have someone feeling good about themselves and outraged at the hate.

[undergroundpanther]

37. Why?

Because according to our INSANE sickening,crazy-making social hierarchy game we are taught from infancy and might be a leftover from our chimpy ancestors that percolates it's POISON through every fucking social interaction,we have..I am told in no uncertain terms,I am not THIN enough to be ENTITLED to feel good about my own body.I lack the RANK to be permitted a sense of self respect. THat is the underlying message.

This "rank"is what every human being fights for,competes for .. the right to be happy and respected by others as SOMEBODY.And to get more happiness and respect than they can get on their own, and one way to do that is to play victim or to denigrate others or MINIMIZE others pain by pretending YOU are a bigger victim.. The smokers come in on an obesity thread to compete, crying me too!!I'm victimized!!They compete for attention and sympathy because the non smokers make them puff out in the cold.Poor poor smokers poor little addicts.Slaves to tobacco.

It will make a smoker feel good to call a fat person a slave to food,by pretending all fat people are addicts a smoker can say they are superior at least their habit does not make you FAT*gasp*..

Care about meeee tooo!!That's what these carping little people are saying when the obese people say Enough,of the hate.

Everyone wants social sanction and respect for BEING who they are,we all seek love and to feel wanted by others,our very sanity and LIVES depend on it and in our bully loving hierarchical culture of victims judges and elites anyone scapegoated or not fighting in the game to win the approval of peers is to be destroyed and ridiculed to suicide.


Hierarchy and obedience to bully authority in a way that harms and puffs up status among people as victims or as the entitled is evil and it happens to be the force behind most social ills that are currently destroying us all..

[annabanana]

7. I hear ya panther..

BIG time!;)

[Pithlet]

8. The fatphobes here

will never see their own prejudice and hate. They're too deluded into thinking they're "helping" those with a weight problem by treating them as if they were social pariahs, because anything else will make them think that being fat is okay. So, they must be ostracized and humiliated "for their own good". They'll never see that fat people aren't any different from anyone else. They'll ignore posts like yours and stories of that poor little girl because it doesn't fit their view that excess body weight and good character can't possibly mix.

I'll guarantee you that every single person in the doctor/patient thread who jumped to the conclusion that that woman overreacted and that the doctor couldn't possibly have been wrong have not a scintilla of awareness of the prejudices that lead them to immediately reach that conclusion. And most were very defensive when it was pointed out to them. Typical of prejudiced people, no matter the object of that prejudice.

[txaslftist]

Sheez. Take it easy.

[Pithlet]

20. Whoowheee!

Posting an opinion at DU! Giving a shit about anything anyone says here. Imagine that...

[MsTryska]

10. So here's a question.....

you willing to make the same allowances for smokers?


i see as much hatred for fat people as i do smokers around here, and sometimes it's the FA types jumping on the smokers or vice versa....

[Pithlet]

11. Not a thread about smoking

Start one about that. Really.

Until a 7 year old smoker is cutting his own flesh, then get back to us. I don't see NEARLY the disgust leveled at smokers as I do at fat people. Not nearly. Not to mention, the last time I checked, fat people didn't exude noxious fumes. When I choke and cough and back away from a smoker, it's because I can't breathe, not because I think they're a disgusting low life. I don't think smokers should be ridiculed at all. But I also don't think you can even make the two issues parallel.

[MsTryska]

12. Well i'm just trying to figure out

if we (meaning all of us, fat people, smokers, gays, blacks, whites, greens what have yous) are in this together to protect each others right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, or if that only applies to whatever group perceives persecution in any particular rant.

[Pithlet]

14. It isn't just perception.

There really is a difference. I do think it minimizes the issue when bringing up smoking because the two aren't really the same. I apologize, I didn't mean to imply that you were purposefully trying to do that. But, many here do. They really think fat people deserve the treatment they get. And many don't even realize they're prejudiced that way. I'll repost what I just said in another thread:

Everyone knows the health police can be extremely annoying. But that isn't the only thing fat people have to suffer through. They really are degraded and marginalized from society in a way that smokers can never be. Because you're fat every single second of every day of your life. The only time it's evident to strangers around you you're a smoker is when you light up.

I do have sympathy for smokers. I reserve my contempt for the cigarette companies. It's a damn hard, no, nearly impossible habit to break, and most of them would if they could. I just don't think they're discriminated against and shamed the way fat people are.

[MsTryska]

15. Lots of rationalizing but your dancing around the question.....

do we support each others rights to live as we are, free from bigotry and hatred - or do we not?

[Pithlet]

19. If this were your own thread that you started

and you asked that question, then duh. Yes. Of course I do.

But, I wasn't dancing around your question. I was trying to engage you in a discussion. You introduced a subject that has nothing to do with what the poster was talking about, and pointing that out to you does in no way make the impression that I don't care about supporting the rights of all. In fact, I don't think you can parse either my post or the OPs and get even a hint that either of us feel that way.

[MsTryska]

24. thanks

"and you asked that question, then duh. Yes. Of course I do."


this is all i'm asking.


as for whether it has to do with the subject or not - i saw your response to the OP - and if "fatphobe" had been replaced with "smoker" or "stoner" or anyone else - would it still apply?


requesting non-judgementalism, the way i see it, is a 2-way street.

I want to make sure that if we are referring to any other "social pariah" as it were, that the answer would be the same.

[Pithlet]

29. Why?

Why would you do that in this thread, when there is zero evidence that it isn't a two way street for the OP or myself? Why would you want to check and make sure someone isn't a hypocrite if they've shown no evidence otherwise? Do you just automatically assume that people who are upset by a particular issue that they wouldn't be equally as upset by other issues?That makes no sense to me. Seems like a big ol' waste of time, in fact. It also seems dismissive. When someone talks about the pain they've felt being ridiculed, they aren't automatically dismissing all other issues, and it's ridiculous to assume they are and interrogate them as if they were.

[MsTryska]

30. Because what i see here a lot of the time

is someone with a pet cause (any pet cause) - who requests, attention, respect, justice for said pet cause, but then turns around and is downright fascist in regards to soemone else.



figure this is as good a time as any to ask what's been on my mind for awhile.


i jsut wonder if we're willing to give what we expect others to give to us - or if we just prefer to play victim.


not that i'll withhold respect one way or the other - i'm pretty much a live and let live kind of person. and yes my heart weeps for the 9-year old girl.

[Pithlet]

33. No

I think it's smarter to actually wait and see if someone is a fascist before I actually accuse them of that. Preemptively jumping down someone's throat and treating them as if they don't have a care about another person's care doesn't make for intelligent discourse.

Ah. Play victim. There it is. I suspected it, but I waited until you actually said it before I addressed it (see how that works?). Whenever I see someone accusing someone of playing the victim, I see someone who fails or is unwilling to feel any empathy for that person. The reasons behind that are many, and I won't assume what it might be in your case. Whatever it is, is it part of that live and let live philosophy you live by? You can't possibly understand that it is possible to be hurtful to another person and for that person to bleed because of it? Is it live and let live to tell that person that what they feel doens't matter, and that they only want to be a victim?

I'm glad you feel sympathy for the 9 year old girl. That's nice.

[MsTryska]

36. honey you have no idea

what kind of life i've lived.



so while you decide you're the only person who's ever been hurt by someone else's hurtful actions, blah blah blah, i'll count you over on the victim side.

i can guran-damn-tee you every single person on this earth has been hurt unfairly at some point or the other. that's part of the human experience. and it doesn't make you any more special than anyone else.


you know what does? Standing up for yourself and others, and most importantly walking the walk no matter how much you resent it at times.

[Pithlet]

40. I never claimed that I had any idea

about your life. And, I wasn't discussing me, or any of the feelings I've had. So, I'll thank you to extend the same courtesy to me; you don't know what kind of life I've led, so don't put me in any category.

You were the one who chose to respond to someone's heartfelt, painful thread as if they only cared about their issues and no other. You chose to assume they were a hypocrite and treat them thusly, with no evidence. That was all I was responding to. Nothing more.

[MsTryska]

41. I asked a simple question.

that's all.


you're the one blowing it out of proportion. what's stranger is that the question wasn't even aimed at you.

[Pithlet]

44. No, that's not all.

It's clear to me now why you asked it. You think the OP is just "playing the victim." But, you didn't want to just come right out and say it at first. I hit a nerve with you, and that eventually came out. Your question was obviously meant to minimize what the poster said.

It doesn't matter that the question was not aimed at me. It's a discussion thread, and everyone logged on can see it and respond to it.

Look. It's nothing personal. I don't know you. I'm only reacting to the things you've posted. If you really do feel empathy for the OP and anyone in their situation, and only feel supportive, then it didn't exactly come through in your posts here.

[MsTryska]

48. actually - it's becoming apparent to me

that for some odd reason you wish for the OP to be a victim - here you are rushing to every perceived offense - standing up for someone that's not really asking it of you, telling everyone off - proposing that you know better than any one else what their intentions are with their posts - seeking ulterior motives, etc.



I asked one question - is the OP willing to grant the same respect to other "hated" groups that they are requesting for themselves?

it's a simple yes or no question - and an admittedly rhetorical one designed to get people thinking about their own behaviors first.

[Pithlet]

49. Where do you get that I wish for the OP to be a victim?

I'm not rushing to anyone's defense. I'm responding to things you've said. I initially was only trying to engage in a polite discussion, but when you accused me of dancing around the issue, something I wasn't doing, it went downhill from there.

You said: "I asked one question - is the OP willing to grant the same respect to other "hated" groups that they are requesting for themselves?"

And I asked a simple question: What does your question have to do with anything the OP posted?

[MsTryska]

56. Yeah but i'm seeing you jump down various people's throats...

I've already explained what my question has to do with the OPs post -


compassion is a two-way street.



and actually last night whilst thinking about it - i'm kinda ticked at the OPs comments about the obese being the lowest rank int he social order.



If they really believe that - they haven't spent much time out and about in society - because from where i'm looking in my Southern City - there are plenty lower down on the social scale than the overweight.

[trekbiker]

55. you must not live in California...

we are way more disgusted with smokers than with fat people. Fat people dont adversely affect my health, smokers do.

[Lindacooks]

13. When smokers can keep the smoke inside their lungs

and not exhale it into the air I'm breathing, then we can talk. Until then, they are a cause of cancer to nonsmokers.

And you can't compare obesity and smoking, because you can quit smoking. You can't quit eating, or you'll die.

[DanCa]

18. Whatever happened to live and let live?

Seems to me everyone is into everyone else's buisness these days. Wouldn't it be a great and grand ole place if everyone left everyone else alone to do what they wanted?

[txaslftist]

21. Are you kidding?

Where would our sense of victimhood come from, then?

Tell ya what. You go have a donut, I'll go have a smoke, we'll both feel better.

[DanCa]

22. Howabout some beer and pizza ?

I am buying.

[txaslftist]

26. Now you're talkin.

[Pithlet]

23. Wouldn't it be a great place.

If people wouldn't tell others to shut up and take it, instead of actually trying to discuss a very real matter?

But, I'm sure you have nothing you feel passionate about, or feel strongly about. You've never had your feelings hurt. Must be nice.

[DanCa]

31. Lol I have parkinsons and when I lobby I have been called everything

from an embryo farmer to a toddler killer. I have been kicked out of my family's church because I am pro stem cell, and have had actual death threats thrown in my face by collar wearring bigots who said my condition was caused by god because I want to "kill babies."

Let alone all the looks I get at in the resturants and grocery stores when my hands start shaking terribly from dyskensia. And when people start mocking me when I start stuttering. Oh how do you think I feel when I crawl from the bathroom to my bedrom cause I can't move my legs, and wind up crapping o n myself because i can't make it on time? Yeah I dont know what it's like to have my feelings hurt.

But you see I know what to do about it. I thrive on it. The more they insult me the more I drive on it too fight them. I walked two miles today for the first time in a long time and I have another another stem cell lobby date comming up in october. I wont stop fighting or feel sorry for myself. I will do something about it. Have a nice day Danny

[MsTryska]

32. hey Danny!

Have you tried the brainstim thingie?


my dad had it done on both sides, and he's improved quite a bit since the last time i saw him (pre-surgery) the tremors aren't half as bad as they used to be.

I totally understand your pain (especially on the restaurant part). I can't believe people would mock you when you stutter tho. assholes.

[DanCa]

35. DBS surgery scares the hell out of me

I am glad your dad has had great success with it. :D :hug: If you need parkinson's links let me know. But seriously that's why I push so hard for stem cell. Give your dad a hug and if you need to talk pm me.

[MsTryska]

39. Hah! it scared the hell out of me too

altho he didn't seem very afraid - and i must admit it went pretty smoothly - far easier than his rotator cuff and back surgeries went.

I'll definitely give my dad a hug for you and here's one from me :hug: - and i'd like to reciprocate the offer - if you ever need to talk you can pm me too! :)

[Pithlet]

34. Then I don't understand

your responses in this thread.

[DanCa]

38. My response was aimed at people interfering in everyone's lives

They dont have rights telling people what to eat, what medicine to take, what to smoke, everyone should partake in live and let live. No one has the right to tell anyone what to do. In away i was also standing up for heavy people too.

[Pithlet]

42. I'm sorry if I misunderstood.

There are some ugly posts in this thread. When I initially read your post, that's what I thought. Then there were the "victim" responses, and you responded favorably to those. But, I shouldn't have assumed that you agreed. I'm sorry.

[DanCa]

45. No Harm No Foul. All's good.

I was a fat kid in school I understand. I was so fat in shop class when I sat down the whole class would jump up. I just wanted to point out that people are assholes and you can't change them. The only thing you can do is change yourself or put the thread on ignore. I hope were cool. And I appologize for loosing my temper.

[Siena]

53. You are amazing!

Good for you!!! :yourock:

[oldcoot]

27. Exactly

We all have our vices. We should fix ourselves before we try to fix others.

[undergroundpanther]

28. It would be great

Except these days the bullies do what they want and we suck thier ass.

[countingbluecars]

46. And the bullies teach their children well.

I teach fourth grade and the most frequently used put downs are "fat" for the girls and "fag" for the boys.

[Seabiscuit]

43. That's a wonderful thought up to a point.

Unfortunately, it can't work that way with the gun nuts and pit bull owners - let them live the way they want and people continue to get shot, mauled, and killed while they pretend that bullets had nothing to do with it and that pit bulls are no different from other dogs, except they're just the sweetest little ol' things on the planet.

[DanCa]

47. That's where the rubber hits the road don't it?

Maybe we should modify it that says do want you want as long as it doesn't harm anyone else? Seabiscut I love your sig line btw.

[Seabiscuit]

51. Thanks, DanCa re the sig line...

I borrowed it from a plaque at Scripps aquarium. It really impressed me - it referred to a grandfather that loved nature and the ocean, and who the grandchildren remember as saying that.

Yeah, it's pretty basic - do what you want as long as you don't harm others in the process.

And tread gently on mother earth - after all, she's pregnant.

[Nikia]

50. I am a recovering anorexic

Unfortunately, since I am not at forced hospitalization weight levels and my clothes cover up most of my thinnest parts, I get complimented by total strangers. It wants to make me scream.
I go to an eating disorder support group. All of us anorexics have one big thing in common. We are perfectionists. Aside from other emotional or biological issues, we have to try to get better with the media telling us that we are actually of ideal weight.
As my eating disorder tries to justify itself, I wonder why no one is concerned about half of the young actresses and pop stars and what about the run way models? It is true that people are thin for different reasons. The ones who are even on low calorie diets are doing more harm to themselves than the obese. That's what people don't talk about. 20% of long term anorexics die from their disease within 20 years.

[w8liftinglady]

52. Right there with you,sister-

Mt ED support group has anorexics,bulemics,and overeaters.The media and society has screwed us up big-time.I have been in recovery for 15 years.

[MsTryska]

54. is that you in the avatar?

those are some serious guns......

[Moderator]

57. Locking....

This is a continuation of an argument
from yesterday.