Any military family have a vet with leave approved after 9/7/2005?

[rrrevolution]

I asked this question last week, and had only one response with a family member due to come home around the end of Sept, they were unsure if the leave was still approved.

I am trying to gather info about troop deployments and approved/cancelled leaves.

Examining factual data is the most useful way to predict the next step Bushco is likely to take.

[smurfygirl]

1. My hubby's bestfriend is supposed to be home mid Sept

But it has not been approved yet...

hope that helps

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[hang a left]

3. What way should it be taken?

And did you join just to tell us this?

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9. I am sorry for being rude.

I just found it curious that with 14 posts you would give such a recommendation. I get a little paranoid. I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Welcome :hi:

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[rrrevolution]

15. One of the benefits here is comparing notes of other observers

News does leak out of Bush & Co, but often at the local level by local observers -- and often it is the local observers comparing notes that give us the most accurate picture of what is going on (since we can no long rely on the MSM to give us an accurate picture).

I live near 3 military bases, and just watching the coming and going of troops locally often contradicts the official accounts released by the MSM talking heads.

For example, who believes that highly trained paratroopers from the 82nd Airborne are being sent to help with prisoner security in Iraq, when regular troops with MP training would be the most logical choice?

We need to be smart, use our heads to deduce what they are not telling us, to know where to look and what the right questions should be.

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[rrrevolution]

25. MSM = "Mainstream Media" ie. CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, FOX etc

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[rrrevolution]

5. I understand your concern, but we need accurate info

to compare with the inaccurate information coming out of Washington regarding what they are up to.

If families don't want to answer that is their prerogative.
However, if we do not compare notes, all we have to depend on is the disinformation coming from the biased MSM.

Would you prefer to be told afterward about events that could be prevented if sensible reasonable people knew about the plans in advance?

They are still OUR soldiers. We care about them. And I have not asked for any confidential or classified information from anyone.

I am only asking people to compare notes on what they are individually observing.

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[BrotherBuzz]

13. Deployment dates are different from leave time, no?

Are you instructed to not tell family about you leave time? I mean, if say, you plan a leave with your family and it's suddenly canceled, are you required to keep your mouth shut and not tell your kid why he can't go to Disneyland? Loose lips sink ships, and all that but get real. :)

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[rrrevolution]

26. back to original Q - Why Not Ask the Military Families What they Are Told

We are not asking soldiers, or for classified/confidential information.

Seems we have the right to compare notes with family members.

Sometimes it is what family members are not told that is the most helpful in evaluating the official line given by the Pentagon.

[kestrel91316]

29. What better way for we the people to figure out what our fascist

leader is up to with his illegal wars than to take note of when soldiers are not able to take leave? We not only have the right to look into this, we have the DUTY as responsible citizens.

[rrrevolution]

14. Thanks for the response, but the type of info I am looking for is

from family members who presumably only get the official word about leave being cancelled or still on.

If you are going back to Iraq, please know our thoughts and prayers are with you every day.

[txindy]

16. Nobody's talking about deployment

Except, of course, the Pentagon which publicly announced it's calling up two battalions to beef up security in Iraq for the 'elections'. Two battalions from the 82nd Airborne Division based at Fort Bragg, N.C. are leaving for Iraq.

The Pentagon has ordered 1,500 additional troops to
Iraq to provide security in advance of two upcoming votes, the military announced Wednesday.

Two infantry battalions from the 82nd Airborne Division will deploy to Iraq before the scheduled Oct. 15 referendum on the proposed constitution, and remain through the December national elections, officials said.

They will join the 138,000 U.S. troops already there. The battalions are expected to remain in Iraq for 120 days.

Did the Pentagon err in making this public. A deployment of 120 is rather specific. Here, on the other hand, we're discussing vacation of one soldier at a time, not mass deployment.

[rrrevolution]

17. This is exactly what we are trying to analyze and weigh for truthfulness

There are times when it is necessary to lie to the public in order to protect our troops -- I understand that.

But there is a protocol as well. The US Constitution specifically provides that Congress has the sole power to declare war, and if troops are being deployed in preparation of war with Iran or any other nation we have a right to know, as do our Congressional representatives.

We are also concerned that if our troops are being deployed to Iraq or Iran to fight that they have the proper equipment and support to do the job. The public has a lot of influence on making sure that equipment and support are there, but not if we do not know about it.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

32. Do 15 people in your squadron have big-screen TVs and filed bankruptcy?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4449197#4449534

[rrrevolution]

11. Also what better way to disprove rumors than use of factual info?

I am looking for factual information from people who are in a position to observe.

If the allegation regarding cancelled leave is false, let's disprove it the right way -- with facts. If it cannot be disproved, let's put the information along side what we are being told by the powers that be.

[txindy]

7. People do get announced leave, you know. Publicly available info.

Or did you think there are no soldiers who got married here - in planned, pre-announced ceremonies - while home on leave from Iraq? A soldier getting leave and telling his family is not even close to the same thing as announcing battle plans or in-theatre troop movements. Sheesh. :crazy:

[rrrevolution]

12. My thoughts exactly

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[hang a left]

4. and recommended!

I want to know if the rumor is true.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

19. 'I am trying to gather info about troop deployments...' is the kind of

thing likely to draw a negative and unwanted kind of attention to this site, which I'm SURE you don't want to do.

[rrrevolution]

24. You may be right, but troop deployments are being announced

by the US Military on a regular basis. Is it ok for them to release deployment information, and not ok for us to compare notes to see if this info is accurate or not?

I am not trying to cause a problem -- but likewise I do not intend to swallow everything they "officially" tell us without question.

[w8liftinglady]

23. My son-leave cancelled in July...not sure when he's coming

[Ilsa]

27. Rumsfeld announced that they would be rotating troops in and out,

but overall, increasing troop strength for the October elections by adding one or two battalions.

[BrotherBuzz]

28. That's not the whole story...

Indeed, they announced that two new Battalions (1,500-2,000 people) would be committed, but a few moments later in the same Pentagon briefing, they announced that the twenty thousand troops scheduled for regular rotation would be held over. Those guys held over coupled with the regular replacments and the two 'Newly' committed Battalions will punch the buildup from 138,000 to 159,000 troops for the October elections. I think it's called fuzzy math. Oh, and never forget, Rummy thinks soldiers are fungible. Soldiers are fungible, my ass!

[Ilsa]

31. Thanks. I had only remembered the headlines, not the beefed up #. eom

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

30. There's Like 30 Posts And Only 1 Answer To Question So Far n/t

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33. Locked.

Some of the implications of this thread run counter to DU general guidelines, especially concerning troop deployments, dates, locations and such.

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