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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:06 PM
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"Vets Aren't Buying Bush's B.S." .VFW convention
Some Vets are wide awake.

http://www.capitolhillblhttp://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7262.shtml
Vets Aren't Buying Bush's B.S.


George W. Bush should realize he is trouble when veterans wear bullshit protectors to avoid hearing his attempts to justify his war in Iraq.

Bill Moyer, 73, wears a “B.S. Protector” flap while President Bush addresses the Veterans of Foreign Wars at their 106th convention Monday in Salt Lake City. Moyer served in WWII, Korea and Vietnam.
Veterans wearing "B.S. Protector" ear flaps sat silently in the audience of the 106th convention of the Veterans of Foreign Wars Monday in Salt Lake City while Bush tired to compare his failed war in Iraq to both world wars and other great conflicts of the 20th century.
With the anti-war movement finding new momentum behind grieving mother Cindy Sheehan, Bush acknowledged the fighting in Iraq is difficult and dangerous. But he told the Veterans of Foreign Wars national convention the fight is necessary to keep terrorists out of the United States.

But there also were anti-war signs and a few unfriendly gestures along the way. Hundreds of people gathered at an anti-war rally in Pioneer Park, about three blocks from the Salt Palace where Bush spoke.

Among them was retired Air Force Lt. Col. George Muller of Salt Lake City, who said he believed there has been a shift in the country’s attitude toward the war.

“That’s what it’s going to take – veterans groups, veterans and mothers who have lost kids speaking out,” Muller said.

ue.com/artman/publish/article_7262.shtml
Vets Aren't Buying Bush's B.S.


George W. Bush should realize he is trouble when veterans wear bullshit protectors to avoid hearing his attempts to justify his war in Iraq.

Veterans wearing "B.S. Protector" ear flaps sat silently in the audience of the 106th convention of the Veterans of Foreign Wars Monday in Salt Lake City while Bush tired to compare his failed war in Iraq to both world wars and other great conflicts of the 20th century.
With the anti-war movement finding new momentum behind grieving mother Cindy Sheehan, Bush acknowledged the fighting in Iraq is difficult and dangerous. But he told the Veterans of Foreign Wars national convention the fight is necessary to keep terrorists out of the United States.

But there also were anti-war signs and a few unfriendly gestures along the way. Hundreds of people gathered at an anti-war rally in Pioneer Park, about three blocks from the Salt Palace where Bush spoke.

Among them was retired Air Force Lt. Col. George Muller of Salt Lake City, who said he believed there has been a shift in the country’s attitude toward the war.

“That’s what it’s going to take – veterans groups, veterans and mothers who have lost kids speaking out,” Muller said."

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:11 PM
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1. I think that link needs fixing... otherwise, great post.
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:15 PM
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6. Sorry...
But Capitol Hill Blue is a piece of crap. I don't really consider them to be very reliable.....

Just dig more deeply into their website, you'll know what I am talking about....
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:25 PM
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11. are you a Vet?
do U have a better link? more appropro ??.be delighted to post it!

capital blue is not banned at DU..actually NEVER even posted anything from them til now..
How come MM don't report that Vets are noy happy?
its the message this time not the site..

VET are waking up..which is more important to me and to this nation . 25 million Vets could make life very hard for the so called cic..
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:46 PM
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16. Wow....I was Just Disagree with the Source....
No I am not Vet. How did that come into this picture? And why does it matter?

No I don't have a better link. Just remember reading awhile back on their website that their articles are written "by any one with a keyboard and a computer". Do I like the MM? Absolutely not, most of it is fluff news in my opinion.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:53 PM
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17. cuz
if you are a Vet you would realize that this is a huge story that some ole timer of 2 wars is refusing the propaganda..

and if more follow suit and see the chikenhawks ened game then the USA as we know it may be saved..US Military is the first line of defense and the Vets are the second..It looks to me that the military
is not protecting the Citizens if they are gonna blindly follow these criminals into yet another staged war for profit.

also by saying the site is questionable is a proven method to shut down the message I was just showing that some Vets are not gonna follow the cic.

I did search for a more appropro site but can't find anything
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:00 PM
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18. Look....
We probably share many of the view on this war and Shrub. That was never the issue. I was never a big fan of CHB because I think that their stories are somewhat made up. I just tend to be skeptical of what I read on their site......
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:27 PM
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20. kool!
maybe they got one right.
PEACE!
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:32 PM
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22. Seriously, though, CHB is, ummmm,...
Edited on Thu Aug-25-05 10:36 PM by Just Me
,...total gossip bullshit (FYI). That's not to say that such gossip isn't entertaining. It's simply not "real".

On edit: I add my opinion that GWB is such a weak and gullible and SICK individual that he has served as nothing other than a red carpet for the extreme corporatic/imperialistic/ideological regime to impose fatalistic and fascist activities upon our people and the world. IOW Bush is a fool being exploited by fascists.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:36 PM
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23. this is my best efforts
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=581719e6-4f85-48bb-a52c-615ef31355e7

least it makes the pt...some Vets are not buying the bushemessage.

only the Moyers photo..but its says much
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:41 PM
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24. That's right....
That's all I was saying about CHB. And I completely agree with your opinion on Shrub.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:45 PM
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25. No, you tried to dump on the poster by smearing the source.
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 11:35 PM
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31. Wrong......
If I wanted to do that, I would have done so.
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kitkat65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 11:37 PM
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32. I'm sure this went over real well . . .
" . . .while Bush tried to compare his failed war in Iraq to both world wars and other great conflicts of the 20th century."

What an asshole.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:13 PM
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2. Is that the same Bill Moyer I seen make a speach
in St Louis last May 5th I wonder. It was ah hell of a speach too.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:15 PM
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5. Do U have a copy?
I have many Vets pals..ALL agree he must resign and his NG records MUST be shown ..the real ones..NOT the doctored version that ABC had!!
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:23 PM
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10. I'm sorry I don't. I seen him yesterday on Democracy NOW
The most powerful speach I have ever heard. A speach about how the press have dropped the ball this last decade of so.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:26 PM
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12. WELCOME HOME BRO!!
101st VN 1969 Ashau valley..
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:08 PM
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19. 6-'69 - 10-'70
Cam Rahn Bay U S Navy Postal Clerk here. were you there at any time.
Something I learned early on was that the captain liked his mail also.
Can you believe the battles we are having to fight today. If in '70 someone would have told me that I would have laughed at them.

Welcome home to you.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:31 PM
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21. YEP
I was at camrahn in july 1969 ..funny I was postal clerk in gremany in 1970

THANX Having a mini reuion this wk with 3 other VN comrades..same company ..

support our troops BRING EM HOME

CHIKENHAWKS start these wars and we die in em..
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 11:05 PM
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29. Great, have a good time.
Yea CHICKENSHIT IN CHIEF ran around like a chicken with his head cut off on 9-11-01 didn't he. Scared shitless, when I go outside I still smell the bastard. The chickenshit would never have made it, wouldn't of lasted long at all. Arrogance and War don't mix well.
Have a beer and a dubb for me.
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ecoflame Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:36 PM
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14. You may be thinking of Bill Moyers
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:39 PM
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15.  perhaps this is the Bill Moyers you saw
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:55 PM
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27. I had never heard him before
I do remember the name from back through the years though. A great speach.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:13 PM
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3. LINK SORRY!
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:14 PM
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4. Link not working and......you posted the same paragraph twice
But other than that, thanks for posting an important story.
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:18 PM
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8. Link worked for me
But right about the paragraph, that photo's been posted many times the last couple of days:
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:16 PM
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7. Here ya go, managed to repair the link:
Edited on Thu Aug-25-05 09:18 PM by karlrschneider
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7262.shtml

edit: oops, sorry you were fixing it while I was typing. :D
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:20 PM
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9. There gasping for support
But there isn't any, and they can't produce support like than can there lies. there gig is up.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 09:27 PM
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13. It isn't only the vets. See here:
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:46 PM
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26. My dad-a lifer-and lifelong repub-
has sworn off the party-he voted Democratic in the last 2 elections.He said Bush is a sleazy used-car salesman,and he wouldn't even make a good human shield in wartime.Gotta love him.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:58 PM
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28. LOL.
I wonder who altered his NG records..its laffable.
.EVERY Vet or NG or whatever can get their records .
EVERY one cept ONE.

The illegal and criminal occupunk of the peoples WH.

I WANT 2 C his records...

your old man is top shelf and we here are 2 draftees who were in combat ..and we fought with dem mean ole lifers for 2 yrs..

ask him if he knows any pals in MI who will pull a military arrest on bush/cheny??

soembody bettter arrest them cuz dickies Iran nuke fantasy is gonna get ole KGB meiseter Putin reaching for that button..
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 07:43 AM
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35. You shouldn't insult used car salesmen like that. My husband
makes our living as a used car manager and he isn't a sleaze nor are any of his salesmen. :-)
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steely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 11:22 PM
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30. this is wierd - VFW on one side, Am Legion on the other? WTF?
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 12:45 AM
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33. Like the sound of this
"Among them was retired Air Force Lt. Col. George Muller of Salt Lake City, who said he believed there has been a shift in the country’s attitude toward the war."

:kick::kick::kick:
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