The Rolling Rock T-shirt, beer-bellied camo wearer is NOT a Freeper

[ET Awful]

Gary Muchler is NOT a Freeper, nor is he a conservative. I pointed this out the other day, and it only got 3 replies. Now I've seen his picture used in sigs, etc.

See this article: http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15055153&BRD=2259&PAG=461&dept_id=455154&rfi=6

Yes the guy is a complete dill-hole. Yes he's an ass. Yes he caused trouble. BUT, he is not a Freeper, he is anti-war.

This needs to be cleared up.

[sniffa]

1. i dunno

couLd he be an infiLtrator?

is he a communist for kerry?

[evilqueen]

2. nah, prolly a communist for that dictator...

chavez.

You know, that guy that was democratically elected as president of venezuela... more times than bush was.

:sarcasm:

[livinginphotographs]

3. Thank you.

I posted the same thing, and got one reply.

Fat guys in beer t-shirts are not automatically Bush-supporters. Some of my best bush-hating friends are fat guys in beer t-shirts.

[myrna minx]

4. Nominating in order for the real info to be read. Thanks. n/t

[wndycty]

5. Are you saying. . .

. . .that he is the anti-war protestor? I could see that. There is no way to tell what actually happened, but it is reasonable to believe that the guy in suit took the sign away and he was the pro-war protestor. Is that what you are saying? If so thanks for pointing that out and might it be possible that we thought he was a freeper because of stereotypes?

[ET Awful]

6. No, the guy in the beer shirt is Gary Muchler. He was listed in this

week's Top Ten Conservative Idiots, and the myth has spread.

He's an ass, but he's no freeper.

The guy in the suit is one of the protestors if I'm not mistaken.

Read the article I linked in the OP and you'll get the story. The guy is a loon, but he's not a Freeper loon.

[wndycty]

9. Thanks for the clarification

Regardless it shows that we automatically want to paint everyone that looks a certain way as a freeper. I bet you there are more than a few DUers who look like freepers, if anybody knows what a freeper really looks like. . .LOL

[ret5hd]

7. thnx...will post a link to this thread if i see miss information.

[soup]

8. A snip from the article:

>>> All was quiet until, at about 8 p.m., Muchler barged into the circle in the Square and shattered the silence.

"If you want to stop the war, stop driving your car. Bush is an oil man," he shouted. "That's what the war is all about. Oil."

There were murmurs of displeasure and shushing noises, which Muchler ignored. Instead he grew louder and started yelling obscenities.

"You've been standing up here many, many times. Where does it get you?" he said, instead calling for a revolution.

After some more loud obscenities and a brief tussle with one of the vigil's organizers, Robert Griffin of Forty Fort, Muchler retreated.

"It's blood for oil. Blood for oil," he hollered as he revved his motorcycle and drove off.<<<

recommended. Thank you ET Awful.

[Binka]

10. I'd Be More Impressed If He Revved Up His Fat Ass

And rode off on a BICYCLE!

[ET Awful]

11. LMAO

If he revved up his fat ass, he'd be prosecuted for releasing toxic fumes :evilgrin:

[Barad Simith]

12. Thanks for pointing out...

...that the man in my sig pic who's disrupting a peaceful protest is not a freeper, but a dill-hole and an ass.

:D

[ET Awful]

15. Nothing personal :)

It just irked me that even though I've posted this information several times, the misconception remained :).

[Barad Simith]

16. Not at all

The comparison just struck me as funny, which is why I responded like I did ("not a freeper, but a dill-hole and an ass").

Even though it's news to me that Gary Muchler is not a freeper, I still like my sig pic because of the contrast to the Vietnam protests of the 1960s.

Back then, the stereotype was of hairy, unkempt, slovenly-dressed dissenters on one side of the issue, and "the man" - conservatively attired, clean shaven, nine-to-five office drone - on the side of the government.

This pic shows "the man" trying to prevent belly boy from taking his STOP THE WAR sign. It shows that mainstream America wants this madness ended.

It shows that, unlike what the propagandists at FOX News and on hate radio would have the public believe, the current anti-war movement does not look like a bunch of pot-smoking Deadheads with too much time on their hands.

[unhappycamper]

13. Didn't realize he was our loony tune.

Did I incorrectly include him in the moran pool?

[ET Awful]

14. Well. . . . maybe not a moran. Since he's anti-war

he's deserving of the traditional spelling of the moron title :)

[MrBenchley]

18. Not at all clear that he IS...

So after trying unsuccessfully to disrupt a peaceful anti-war protest, he yelled something that might or might not be "leftist"? And that's proof of what, exactly?

Jeeze, one of the biggest Nazi twats on Delphi spends half his time pretending to be a "liberal" (and not fooling anyone). Ask HIM why his cowardly ass is not in Iraq, and he demands to know why the rest of us aren't blocking troop trains and sabotaging muntion plants, or in Baghdad serving as human shields.

[ET Awful]

21. The entire disturbance was indicative of him being anti-war.

Sorry, but because you don't like his appearance doesn't mean he's a Freeper.

[MrBenchley]

23. How?

He shows up to disrupt a peaceful demonstration because he's anti-war?

"because you don't like his appearance"
The fact that he looks like a fuckwit is a plus. But he's typical of the sort of asswipe who hangs out at the Free Republic, blustering and pouting.

[ET Awful]

25. When he opens by saying that people should quit using oil

and that Bush is an oil man and that's what motivated the war, that's NOT a Freeper.

Sorry Bench, but he's not a Freeper.

[MrBenchley]

30. And then rides off on his motorcycle...

it sounds like he's exactly the sort of brain-dead piece of shit that hangs out over there...

[ET Awful]

32. If he'd driven off in a Hummer, you might have a point.

Since he didn't, and drove off on one of the most fuel efficient vehicles around, I think I'll keep on believing he's not a Freeper.

[MrBenchley]

33. And if he hadn't disrupted the anti-war protest you might too....

But he did...and he's exactly the sort of trash that hangs out on free republic....

[ET Awful]

35. Sorry, I like to base my opinions on facts, not on conjecture.

You see someone whose behavior you disapprove of, so you smack them with a label.

I see someone whose behavior I disapprove of, look at the overall picture and base my determination on the available facts. I see nothing here indicating he's a Freeper, I do see something indicating he's a complete ass that happens to be anti-war.

So now, because you disapprove of his appearance and his methods, he's "trash"?

Nice.

[MrBenchley]

43. That IS rich....

"he's a complete ass that happens to be anti-war"
Which we can tell because he tried to disrupt a peaceful anti-war demonstration....

There's an old saying, "By their actions ye shall know them".

"So now, because you disapprove of his appearance and his methods, he's "trash"?"
Go figure that....he's dressed like a bum, and he's interfering with the legal rights of citizens. Snuggle up to him if you feel like it....but when you lie down with vermin you deserve what you get.

[Pepperbelly]

51. at this point ...

we have your opinion that the article might be mistaken and from this, you determine that someone is vermin and perhaps a Nazi?

At this point, I will trust the views of those actually there who witnessed the entire incident rather than someone on the internets pulling their opinion from within their own selves.

And yes, it is indeed rich when one views the contortions people go through to not simply admit that their first blush reaction was erroneous.

[Lerkfish]

38. Hm. what might you think of me, I wonder?

I'm 6/4" and 300 lbs. I am overweight and have a large gut.
Do you consider me "exactly the sort of trash that hangs out on free republic...."

[MrBenchley]

42. Do you disrupt anti-war rallies?

[blue neen]

48. Whoa. Please listen for a moment.

This is Pennsylvania we're talking about. There are many, many motorcyclists in this state who are Democratic. Guess what? They're doing their part to conserve gasoline. I know a lot of people who drive Harleys back and forth to work.

Secondly, like it or not, Pennsylvania ranks 15th in the country in the number of people who are obese. Drinking Rolling Rock might add to that problem, I don't know. :shrug: Perhaps overconsumption of it IS why he chose to stage his own protest in a not-so-subtle manner.

I can't guarantee to you that this man is a Democrat. But I can guarantee to you that a lot of Democrats in Pennsylvania ride motorcycles and/or are obese. Trust me. I know them.

Please don't generalize. If this man votes against Santorum next year, I'll buy him a Rolling Rock shirt that actually fits!

[MrBenchley]

50. How many disrupt anti-war protests?

"I can't guarantee to you that this man is a Democrat. But I can guarantee to you that a lot of Democrats in Pennsylvania ride motorcycles and/or are obese."
And again, how many try to disrupt anti-war protests?

"Please don't generalize."
That IS rich....

[blue neen]

52. Yes, that IS rich.

Do you live in central Pennsylvania? Were you at the protest? Do you know this man personally? Do you work for the Democratic party in Pennsylvania? I mean, you seem to know so much about us and about him.

I don't know him personally, but I respectfully tried to point out to you that perhaps he is a Democrat and perhaps he isn't. The possibility does exist. Unless, you are Mr. Rolling Rock himself, YOU DON'T KNOW IF HE IS ED RENDELL IN DISGUISE.

I shall not waste anymore of my time or my respect on you. Your argumentive comments and self-righteousness aren't in keeping with the Democrats I wish to converse with.

[MrBenchley]

17. You mean you don't think freepers

ever call for revolution? Or lie in public?

[PittLib]

20. That's not really the point ...

the point being that we should not make this guy the poster child of * supporters when his politics are not absolutely clear, unlike the original "moran". It is presumptous, silly and IMHO a feeble excuse to rag on someone's appearance .

[MrBenchley]

22. No, that's exactly the point...

"when his politics are not absolutely clear"
They sure seem clear to me.

[ET Awful]

26. Yup, they are clear, "Bush is an oil man"

Doesn't sound like a Freeper to me.

[MrBenchley]

29. Sure does to me....

But then I'm used to hearing freepers lie in public.

[ET Awful]

31. LOL . . . I've seen just such behavior from Socialists, Anarchists and

other types at anti-war rallies Benchley.

Sorry, but you're just spreading opinion based on your own biases. I'm presenting the facts as they happened.

Unless you have PROOF, your opinion remains just that, an opinion.

I'll present the facts, I like facts, they're so factual.

[Name removed]

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[ET Awful]

36. No, the FACTS are that someone made anti-war statements in a

fashion that you (and I for that matter) don't agree with. The difference is that I don't label him a Freeper, because I have no facts that would indicate that.

You, however, leap to conclusions based on facts not in evidence.

If everyone used your standards, why could we not say "Benchley is an NRA activist, he must be, look how vociferously pro gun-control he is."

See the flaw in your logic?

Because you disagree with their techniques doesn't make someone a Freeper.

[MrBenchley]

44. Since when is disrupting an anti-war demonstration

an anti war statement?

"why could we not say "Benchley is an NRA activist, he must be, look how vociferously pro gun-control he is.""
Jeeze, the crackpots and trolls down in the gungeon often spouted just that same piece of crap, too. Just as they often pretended to be "for gun control" while meaning just the opposite...and didn't fool anyone.

"I don't label him a Freeper, because I have no facts that would indicate that."
Here's a tip....the sumbitch tried his best to disrupt a peaceful anti-war demonstration. That's not the action of anyone anti-war...but it is exactly the sort of thing freepers try to do whenever they can. And that IS a fact, no matter what mindless gibberish he shouted.

[Surya Gayatri]

41. May I suggest...

that Mr. Muchler's politics go no further than his next trip to the off-licence. He likely finds his opinions in the bottom of a bottle, IMHO. ;)

[MrBenchley]

45. Sure seemed like it...

Why anybody would want to claim this humhole as a fellow patriot is beyond me...

[PittLib]

19. Thanks ...

this peeved me a bit, too. People really can't get upset about the "dirty hippy" comments and then jump all over "belly boy" for his appearance.

[ronnykmarshall]

24. He's an ass?

And NOT a freeper?

What's the difference?

[ET Awful]

28. This ass is anti-war, Freepers are not.

See the difference?

[MrBenchley]

46. What the hell makes this asshole anti-war?

He tried to disrupt a peaceful anti-war demonstration...

[Name removed]

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[AlCzervik]

27. I thought the guy in the suit was the freeper.

[Lerkfish]

37. at the time, there were a lot of perjorative fat jokes made about him

which I objected to. There was implied a direct link between being overweight and being a freeper.
I pointed out that we should criticize him for his behavior instead of his appearance. We are constantly (and appropriately) reminded to do that when there are women politicians.

At the time, based on what people were saying, I also assumed he was disrupting the protest for other reasons.

regardless, those of us who are overweight resent the immediate kneejerk reaction that we're "trash" or automatically freepers.

That's a form of appearance bigotry we can do without. Thanks.

[ET Awful]

39. Agreed.

Like I said above many times, because you disagree with his technique or his appearance doesn't automatically mean he's a Freeper.

Because he's a jackass doesn't make him a Freeper (though most if not all Freepers are jackasses).

[Surya Gayatri]

40. Kicked

Glad you're clearing this up once again. In the original thread I said the guy obviously had a substance abuse problem. That doesn't make him a right winger!

[Spiffarino]

49. Kick for honesty

:kick:

[Warren DeMontague]

53. Okay, so he's just some loudmouthed dick.

Who needs to upgrade to a bigger size shirt.