"TREASONGATE: US COURT OF APPEALS" Citizen Spook

[dbeach]

Rockin along to a different drum.

the bush swan song about to come??

http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/

"TREASONGATE: US COURT OF APPEALS: "Special Counsel's Showing Decides The Case"
While Joe Wilson, who still hasn't mentioned the hovering ominous specter of 18 USC 794, is in damage control mode cowardly hiding behind the bravery of Cindy Sheehan, and Judith Miller continues to whine about being put in jail for protecting criminals and crimes, I thought it would make good reading to summarize the incendiary 83 page opinion issued by The US Court of Appeals (D.C. Circuit),IN RE: GRAND JURY SUBPOENA, JUDITH MILLER so you can have some judicial perspective from the three judge appellate tribunal as to the seriousness of the crimes Fitzgerald is pursuing.

This Court of Appeals decision will be interesting to readers of this blog since it not only damns the crimes of the Bush administration, but it also backs up the issue of Fitzgerald's plenary authority as acting Attorney General for the Tgate prosecution, and cites United States v. Williams to witness authority for the argument that thefederal grand jury acts as an independent branch of the US Government.



The Court of Appeals circuit judges had to perform a preliminary adjudication of the facts and the law in Treasongate to determine if the press (Miller and Cooper in this case) were entitled to a special privilege to protect their leak sources. And in doing so the Judges put incredible anti-Bush administration statements on the record which have not been reported in the main stream media. These are crushing blows to the Bush administration.


From pages 32-33:

"If the court extends the privilege only to a defined group of reporters, are we in danger of creating a “licensed” or “established” press? If we do so, have we run afoul of the breadth of the freedom of the press, that “fundamental personal right” for which the Court in Branzburg expressed its concern? 408 U.S. at 704. ""

[seemslikeadream]

1. Voluminous classified findings? Hey now.

. That said, without benefit of the adversarial process, we must take care to ensure that the special counsel has met his burden of demonstrating that the information is both critical and unobtainable from any other source. Having carefully scrutinized his voluminous classified filings, I believe that he has.

http://citizenspook.blogspot.com /




DO THE MATH

THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A MILITARY ORDER
http://www.bushflash.com/buddy.html

[jsamuel]

2. WTF?

"While Joe Wilson, who still hasn't mentioned the hovering ominous specter of 18 USC 794, is in damage control mode cowardly hiding"

what the heck is wrong with citizenspook, they have gone nuts!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

6. I had a problem with that comment, too. If Joe Wilson hadn't stood up....

...in the first place, we wouldn't be where we are today. If I were Joe Wilson, I would be looking over my shoulder for the rest of my natural-born life.

I also had a problem with the section of the commentary dealing with Seymour Hersh's article about U. S. Special Forces already operating inside Iran. First, Hersh did not reveal any names of the people involved in the operation. Second, if anyone was paying attention during the preliminaries to our illegal invasion of Iraq, we knew that U. S. Special Forces were operating inside Iraq well before that country was attacked. Those were the guys that were guiding the laser-guided bombs into their targets inside Iraq during the so-called "shock & awe" bombings.

As far as the rest of the article goes, it is VERY damning of those that cooked up the operation to expose Plame. I hope that every single one of the people involved get prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

[Pachamama]

14. While I find a lot of Citizenspooks blog comments interesting, that

comment about Wilson was perplexing to me and didn't make much sense to me. Same about the comments re. Seymour Hersh....as far as I'm concerned, both Wilson and Hersh are patriots and on the right side...

[OKJackson]

16. Don't get blinded by stage props, my friend

Are they on the right side?

Bush says he is, but he isn't.
How many of Bush's friends in government in business profess to be for the "right side" yet are dirty as all get out?

Right.

We can both agree they are repetitive liars and like to deceive people.

Look at LePeore(sp) in Florida, the Republican turned Democrat just in time for the Florida 2000 scandal.

See the fake voting rights group that Raw Story caught.

And Bush's evil little regime, how many DECADES have those same people hung out and played criminal together?

And how long have we noticed the mainstream media's refusal to cover basic issues that are a no brainer, must talk about for any one of us?

How many newspapers and journalists do you think are fake?

Which brings me back to CitizenSpook's remarks.

How sure are you of what these people represent?

And the opinion you just expressed in response to the previous question, how much of it is based on just what they tell you about themselves?

I do believe it's a good idea to double check things in your own camp, it's a must.

Is CitizenSpook right about Title 18 USC 793 & 794?

Then if so, and Wilson has quoted someone being prosecuted by it... then why isn't Wilson using it? Wouldn't you? Then again, why isn't he?

Something isn't right about this picture, and I do know that if we use Title 18 USC 793 & 794 to our benefit the truth will come out and Bush will be wearing a yellow jump suit and matching bracelets.

[OKJackson]

21. Case in point - An example of a Democrat traitor

Quote is from Buzzflash:

Former Clinton press secretary says it's good for Democrats to support Bush. So let's get this right then: Bush is doing a disastrous job of firghting terrorism; in fact he is creating terrorism through his ineptritude and further endandgering America. But the Democrats, Clinton's former press secretary argues, should continue supporting a policy that makes America more vulnerable to terrorism, kills Americans and Iraqis unnecessarily, and is bankrupting the nation. Say what? 8/28

[dbeach]

22. link sil vous plait..

not surprising .

billy bob and poppy o dialing for dollars for Tsunami relief
is a nice TV add. a real father/son photo..BUt so were the Corleones .
would U trust those men with your dollars??

[OKJackson]

42. Sure thing

http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/5579747.html

http://www.buzzflash.com/

[dbeach]

48. as democrat..mccurry and his pal

billy bob clinton are looking more like guys who made their dough and now its time to go..

do enjoy the poppy o /clinton TV ads for tsumai relief..
the company that you keep says much about you..




"Turning Iraq into a sharply partisan issue, however, carries deep risks for Democrats and the country, some warn. "Credit the Democrats for not trying to pour more gasoline on the fire, even if they're not particularly unified in their message," said Michael McCurry, a former Clinton White House press secretary. "Democrats could jump all over them and try to pin Bush down on it, but I'm not sure it would do anything but make things worse. The smartest thing for Democrats to do is be supportive.""

[H2O Man]

32. Wilson is not

a prosecutor.

[OKJackson]

43. And?

You don't think he has at least one lawyer friend or ally at his beck and call?

He's mentioned a case where someone was prosecuted using that same law.

And he's a big enough of a specialist to get sent on foreign missions?

Sure he's not a prosecutor, but that doesn't make him stupid, ignorant or wave away his oddly contradictory behavior.

Again, don't get distracted by the stage props.

We now know the law exists.

We now know that the Busheviks can be sunk with it.

Yet he's not using it.

You keep reading testimony that this guy isn't acting like one of "us" but "one of them." I'm not saying pull out the anti-Wilson banners and go on an anti-Wilson parade.

The truth is we don't need Wilson, he'll play a role when given testimony and a full investigation will either prove him innocent or guilty.

And if he's guilty?

Then he can share the fate of his masters.

[H2O Man]

50. "And?"

"And?" is pretty simply here. You asked why Wilson isn't "using" certain laws. He is not a prosecutor. He is, in this case, simply a private citizen. He therefore cannot "use" the laws. Make sense?

[dbeach]

51. wilson could be also using the other law

that CS lists if this is indeed true..it makes me wonder about wilson
and also wonder why more attorneys are not bringing up both of these laws and putting it in the discussion..Sure looks like the MM has decided that the law that CS is quoting is ??unimportant..irrelevant ????

and then again when has the MM followed up ??

for me its more the MM is the shill for the busies..then they are helping the case which may be a double case for Treason in the plamegate events

[H2O Man]

53. Wilson's clearly not

going to speak openly about the case now. It would be unrealistic to think that he can or should. The corporate media actually has had some good coverage on the Franklin/AIPAC case, which has detailed the espionage laws. It also noted that these are the same laws that Fitzgerald is likely to charge several administration officials with violating. One might notice the timeline involved; this requires no explanation for those with a grasp of both cases.

[dbeach]

56. 3 neo-con spys caught in the dragnet so far

is not bad for Fitzie..would love to see some sharks in that net..

jus would like to see wilson put out some muscle..and use whatever is available .
.mr. uniter not divider hired his own attorney last summer.

[H2O Man]

61. The 3 neocon spys

are being prosecuted by Paul McNulty, not Fitzgerald. However, it is in essence the same case.

Wilson & friends certainly have mentioned the espionage aspects. One might look to his book. Those interested might even read Time and Newsweek, or Dean's "Worse Than Watergate."

[OKJackson]

74. Unfortunately...

The corporate media actually has had some good coverage on the Franklin/AIPAC case, which has detailed the espionage laws.

...the corporate media is just that, CORPORATE, and when some of their benefactors and even executives are involved in some of the crimes as far as their money is concerned... they won't bite the hand that feeds them.

Compare the corporate media to Brad Blog or Raw Story.

[Me.]

54. Wilson Is Not A Lawyer On This Case

nor is he the prosecutor. What is so hard to comprehend about this? And if you want the relevant facts about the law in this case I suggest you google John Dean at Findlaw.

[dbeach]

57. agrre he is not attorney

but he could put out this info that there are 2 laws applicable to the plame gate events..thats it..its wishful thinking for me..I don't expect wilson to do much and I wonder if he is able to do more..have doubts about thim ..and CS too ..and I am not dismissing either..

suggest you leave some comments both pro and con at CS blog .. and address your specifics there..some attorney challeneged him and CS had to add some corrections ..so the criticism worked well

[H2O Man]

62. He has.

You may not be familiar with what Wilson has said regarding espionage. But that doesn't change the fact that he has. His book, for an obvious example, covers this.

My concern is not people who are simply not aware that this is not new, and that can simply be directed to do their homework before spreading misinformation. I am concerned with those who are fully aware that Wilson has indeed covered this, but choose to feed misinformation to those who are not aware of this.

[dbeach]

64. my only question is

Why has he not used this law also?

18 USC 794

you want correct info..likewise

[OKJackson]

76. Please provide some quotes then

I've asked for counter evidence to this. To call Citizenspook's material "misinformation" and to prove it is misinformation are two different things.

Does Title 18 USC 793 & 794 not exist? Is it fake? Can you prove it?

If it is real, and the Ames canse was won by this, then Citizenspook's data stands.

How hard is that to understand?

Let's discuss this on the facts. Where are yours?

[OKJackson]

71. No, because he still can use them when he speaks

He's acting like this law doesn't exist when he's already quoted the case where it was used. And Citizenspook quoted about five plus cases where the law was used.

He's had enough time to have been informed by someone if he didn't know.

I think he's playing on both sides of the fence.

[libertypirate]

18. Some things with Wilson don't add up...

Sorry they don't... Wilson keeps saying he wants accountability but he has put way to much focus on a harder set of circumstances to prove. Why would he focus us away from law that is more cut and dry?

It's not like he just made these references on the talk show circuit he wrote about the IIPA law 11 times in his book. In one mention he talks about how this leak is the stuff of Aldrich Ames; but never mentions the law that Ames was convicted.

This story has never been just about Wilson and his wife; it has been about the destruction of an entire operation. Possibly hundreds of agents, and their sources.

[jsamuel]

33. I think at worst that is a lack of legal understanding

he isn't a lawyer, he is a diplomat

[OKJackson]

44. And *no one* has informed him?

That doesn't explain away the situation.

He should have corrected himself already, I don't think he wants to. I think he's playing in their game, I've already disregarded him as an ally. If after a thorough check into the law and what actually happened he turns out to be innocent, hey nice. But I don't think that's what is going to happen. I'm with CS, I think he's a distraction.

Besides, outing an entire operation is a bigger crime than outing an operative... and there isn't a reason why both can't be pursued.

Given what he (CS) has pointed out from Fitzerald's moves and the reaction of the judges... I think he's aiming at the operation and probably a few things we don't know about.

I don't think Wilson will come out of this a free man, I think he'll be wearing the same color of stripes as Dick and George.

[stepnw1f]

65. LOL

Oh brother.

"I've already disregarded him as an ally"<----conspiracy Theory?

And so should everyone at DU. Nya...

[libertypirate]

67. Hey you know what they say about ignorance you can believe anything

I don't think Wilson has been playing it straight with us. As for your assertion very ignorant considering the facts...

How do you justify that an entire operation was destroyed, and the media has only focused on one operative?

[stepnw1f]

68. Yeah man... like real mysterious

Nice try.... good bye.

[libertypirate]

69. I guess it is true in america, you don't know what you don't know until

you know you don't know it, and then you have to get over your beliefs.

[OKJackson]

73. Exactly

And a whole lot of people on both "sides" of the conflict are about to learn how shallow their understanding of reality really is.

[OKJackson]

72. WTF?

Conspiracy theory? Really now, where was one discussed, hmm?

And everyone at DU should believe what I say because I say it? Really, I've spoken that dramatically? I've made such a position known openly? Why are you inflating my statements with what you seem to wish I mean instead of just leaving it at exactly what I said?

[darkworkz]

3. THANKS dbeach!

CS is one of the best blogs to come along in some time. I'm loving the unwavering focus and clarity of point / purpose.

Even IF Fitzgerald doesn't get * on USC 18 793 & 794, more people have been made aware of the statutes because of CS's work and the "People" have 2 more levers of power (Grand Jury, USC 18 793 & 794) to use going forward.

Things are about to get real "real" in the US!

Lucky thing for the world that they don't really know what's about to happen here. ;-)

[LibertyorDeath]

4. Bring it on Fitz !!

"And then the blockbuster quote:"

"While I am convinced that we need not, and therefore should not, go further than to conclude, as did the district court, see Appendix 35-36, 275, that the Special Counsel’s showing decides the case... "

http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/



Recommended

[darkworkz]

5. Question for the attorneys out there?

Isn't there some aversion by the courts to reference case law or legal positions pre 1900? In my memory I seem to recall (most likely erroneously) the courts have some issue with this, outside of constitutional issues.

This question arises from this section of the PDF referenced by CS:

"As James Madison explained, “ people who mean to be their own Governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives.” See In re Lindsey, 148 F.3d 1100, 1109 (D.C. Cir. 1998) (quoting Letter from James Madison to W.T. Barry (Aug. 4, 1822), in 9 The Writings of James Madison 103 (Gaillard Hunt ed., 1910)). Consistent with that maxim, “ free press is indispensable to the workings of our democratic society,” Associated Press v. United States, 326 U.S. 1, 28 (1945)"

Perhaps the quote was used due to the fact that it was apart of AP vs. US in 1945. But even if this is the case can someone still explain to those reading why the courts have this aversion, if it's there at all?

[Octafish]

7. In Plame English: Bush is a Traitor.

No way would Karl Rove, let alone Scooter Libby, have the knowledge of Valerie Plame being a CIA Non-Official Cover operative. They had to have learned about her identity from the little turd from Crawford, or maybe his boss, Sneering Dick Cheney. He's a traitor, too.

Hope Fitzgerald stays out of aircraft, trains, cars, elevators, sidewalks, dark alleys and any other place the BFEE operates from. And I hope the rest of the federal, state and local governments know exactly what kind of stuff he's up against.

What Ray McGovern wrote:

Why Plame Matters

by Ray McGovern
The significance of the Plame affair is not about former U.S. ambassador Joseph Wilson; or his wife, Valerie Plame; or Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby; or even President George W. Bush's alter ego, Karl Rove. White House v. Wilsons is about Iraq, where our sons and daughters – and many others – are daily meeting violent death. And it's about manipulation.

It's about how our elected representatives were deceived into voting for an unprovoked war and what happened when one man stood up and called the administration's bluff. And it's about the perfect storm now gathering, as more lies are exposed (whether in journalists' e-mails or in the minutes of high-level meetings at 10 Downing Street), as guerrilla war escalates in Iraq, and as more and more American citizens find themselves agreeing with Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) that administration leaders seem to be "making it up as they go along."

It wasn't envisaged this way by the naïve "neoconservative" ideologues that got us into the quagmire in Iraq. They may still believe that all will be well if the Iraqi people can only get it into their heads that we are liberators, not occupiers.

So much smoke is being blown over White House v. Wilsons that it is becoming almost impossible to see the forest for the trees. Bewildered houseguests from outside the Beltway throw up their hands: "It's all just politics … and character assassination." And that may well be precisely the impression the media wish to leave with us. Otherwise, left to our own devices, we might conclude they served us poorly with the indiscriminate, hyper-patriotic cheerleading that helped slide us into the worst foreign policy debacle in our nation's history.

Our weekend guests had a hard time trying to understand why the White House two years ago blew the cover of CIA operative Valerie Plame, wife of former ambassador Joseph Wilson. Sure, Wilson had caught and exposed the Bush administration in a very serious lie. But almost immediately, top officials conceded that Ambassador Wilson was essentially correct in dismissing the flimsy report that Iraq was trying to acquire uranium in Africa.

CONTINUED...

http://www.antiwar.com/mcgovern/?articleid=6697

The thing about Citizenspook is he doesn't speak in no plain English. Like in Watergate, with the CIA's man muffing up the break-in on behalf of Nixon's "elite" enemies, there are no simple explanations. I disagree with C-spook when it comes to Wilson and Plame, because neither one would've gone public with their family unless there was a most compelling reason -- even above their official non-official agenda. From what I can see, the only reason to do so would be for protection.

And that's where you and DU come in, dbeach! You help spread the truth about the guy's work and what his investigation means. And that works to protect Wilson and his family.

Gee. With the case having so many layers and players, only one thing is easy to see: the BFEE are traitors.

[seemslikeadream]

9. Just like the New York Times

Some things are true.

Some things are made up.

http://www.cursor.org.nyud.net:8090/images/iheartchalabi.jpg

[dbeach]

8. CS is offering law lessons

that does not mean wilson is a hero or he is compromised..this is keep your eyes on the prize and don't on the specifics which may be distractions.

Bush did the TREASON..regardless of the 9/11 events..he lied us into war and profited from it..the reast of his crimes are in those 8 pages..

You are all appointed as the grand jury citizen style..the 4th branch of government. Again the bush criminals have committed treason..this is the biggest story in history cuz of the possible implications..The MM is as AWOL as their illustrious fuhrer from the Bama Air Guard..

I SAY BOYCOTT ALL OF THE MM..don't watch thier news programs unlee you are compiling a list of their complicity in the treason by the bush administartion

Its up to to "WE THE PEOPLE.." to expose the lies or as ya all know suffer the consequences.

TO THE BUSH CRIMINALS AND THEIR MANY DISINFO AGENTS:

"YOU SHALL NOT PASS"


' as for me give me LIBERTY or give me death.."

[BamaBecky]

10. ...damns the crimes of the Bush administration...

I like the sound of this.........

>>but it also backs up the issue of Fitzgerald's plenary authority as acting Attorney General for the Tgate prosecution, and cites United States v. Williams to witness authority for the argument that the federal grand jury acts as an independent branch of the US Government.<<

and this:

>>Both the Court of Appeals, and the District Court below it, after reviewing eight and a half pages of classified and redacted proofs presented by Special Counsel Fitzgerald's office, held that the evidence was so serious that they could not in good conscience allow the press to protect the criminals and crimes that had been committed.<<

and this

>>only to find that the Special Counsel had proved that the "gravity of the suspected crime" was far more important than the news value of the leaked information....The other two Judges were so moved by Fitzgerald's showing of proof that they determined no test needed to be crafted since Special Counsel's evidence was strong enough to defeat any test they might possibly craft.<<

and this

>>These eight and a half redacted pages convinced the seasoned jurists sitting on the bench, not just in The Court of Appeals, but in the lower District Court as well, that the gravity of the crimes committed far outweighed the needs of the press to leak such information.<<

whew!

>>the Court stated that it could not “seriously entertain the notion that the First Amendment protects a newsman’s agreement to conceal the criminal conduct of his source, or evidence thereof, on the theory that it is better to write about a crime than to do something about it.” .....the right to withhold news is not equivalent to a First Amendment exemption from an ordinary duty of all other citizens to furnish relevant information to a grand jury performing an important public function.<<

[dbeach]

11. Please leave some comments at CS blog

both pro and con....this is still more light on the villains

http://www.blogger.com/publish-comment.do?blogID=14899607&postID=112508226840793583&r=ok

[lovuian]

12. "Established Press" does the judges see the Propoganda

Machine and knows there IS NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!! These people are told what to write!!!

I'm proud of our justice system!!!

[evilqueen]

19. stop it or I'll dare to start hoping again

hehehe

[OKJackson]

13. Kick! More people need to read this article n/t

[earth mom]

15. KICK!

:kick:

[brettdale]

17. KICK

KICK

[dbeach]

20. the elites are gonna trot out many scenarios

to confuse and intimidate the commoners..MAYBE wilson is a real guy who loves this nation.??.BUT he has been hob nobbin with the elites most of his life..WHY then would he give up the luxury lifestyle to help the commoners at this stage when the 1984 police story is so soon??

there is a RI blogger who met him and listened to his speech..she was less than impressed and says he came across as an arrogant guy who ducked questions and criticized any dissent..Sound familar?

[sattahipdeep]

47. Tell us about Patrick Fitzgerald

TERENCE SMITH: Tell us about Patrick Fitzgerald and tell us whether
he will be in your view genuinely independent in doing this.

ELAINE SHANNON: I think he will. He's a real pro. He's well respected among federal prosecutors
He's 41 years old. He was Phi Beta at Amherst, Harvard Law and went straight into prosecution
I believe spent years in the elite southern district of New York and Manhattan, prosecuted every
well known terrorist case you've ever heard of. knows a lot about al-Qaida.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/july-dec03/leak_12-31.html

9/11 Commission:

KWAME HOLMAN: Commissioner Fred fielding followed up with a question to witness Patrick
Fitzgerald, a U.S. Attorney and the lead prosecutor in several terrorism cases, including one
specifically brought against Osama bin Laden.

FRED FIELDING, 9/11 Commission: The indictment reads, "al-Qaida reached an understanding
with the government of Iraq that al-Qaida would not work against that government and that
on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al-Qaida would work
cooperatively with the government of Iraq. " So, my question to you is what evidence was that
indictment based upon and what was this understanding that's referenced in it?

PATRICK FITZGERALD, U.S. Attorney: We understood there was a very, very intimate relationship
between al-Qaida and the Sudan. They work hand-in-hand. We understood there was a working
relationship with Iran and Hezbollah, and they shared training. We also understood that there had been
antipathy between al-Qaida and Saddam Hussein because Saddam Hussein was not viewed as being
religious. Clearly, we put Sudan in the first order at that time as being a part of al-Qaida. We understood
a relationship with Iran, but Iraq, we understood, went from a position where they were working against
each other to standing down against each other, and we understood they were going to explore the
possibility of working on weapons together. That's my piece of what I know.
I don't represent to know everything else, so I can't tell you what we learned since then, but there was
that relationship that went from... not from opposing each other to not opposing each other to possibly
working with each other.

[darkworkz]

23. Is this a real issue that's gaining traction?

I'd have to say yes.

http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/1719/1/32

Sure, on the face of the link above this is a separate issue. But when you look at the core issue on the table - Resolution of Inquiry, it's apart of the same picture. RI's lead to articles of Impeachment, if you'd forgotten.

If you'd like to broaden it a bit more then read this:

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/able_danger_condoleezza_rice_911_837

This story talks about "Able Danger" and how it linked up through 'data mining' Condi Rice and other top * administration officials into the 9/11 plot.

Everything is beginning to tie together. The only question is - can you see it? Do you want to see it? And CSpook has "resurrected" the tools the People need to see absolute justice done.

[dbeach]

27. Tarpley

Bush-Cheney Heading
For Nuclear Rendevous
At Desert One
By Webster Griffin Tarpley
Author - 9/11 Synthetic Terrorism: Made in USA
WASHINGTON DC/LOS ANGELES -- With the direct threat of military attack against Iran issued Aug. 13 by Bush, the world has entered a phase of new and acute danger of general war. Bush made the threat in an interview with Israeli television. "All options are on the table," said Bush, speaking from his estate in Crawford, Texas. Asked if that included the use of force, Bush replied: "As I say, all options are on the table. The use of force is the last option for any president and you know, we've used force in the recent past to secure our country." (Reuters, dateline Jerusalem, August 13, 2005) Bush's comments were ostensibly made in the context of the US campaign to shut down the Iranian nuclear program, but in reality came in the midst of feverish US-UK preparations for a new 9/11 of state-sponsored, false flag synthetic terrorism which is intended in the intentions of the terrorist controllers in London and Washington to set the stage for the attack on Iran, as well as for martial law austerity dictatorships throughout the English-speaking world, and beyond.

A possible scenario for what is in store over the next few weeks could well include a nuclear detonation under US military auspices on the coast of the Carolinas under the cover of the anti-terrorism exercise Sudden Response 05, but blamed on Hezbollah or some other alleged Iranian asset, followed by US atomic bombing of Iranian military bases, nuclear sites, and other strategic targets, using nuclear devices of various yields. US confrontation with Russia, China, and the other powers of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization would not be far behind. With that, the nuclear genie would be out of the bottle, and we would not see him confined again in our lifetimes
On August 9, 2005 Schoomaker fired General Kevin P. Byrnes, one of the army's dozen or so four-star generals, from his post as leader of the Training and Doctrine Command (TRADOC). The ouster of such a high-ranking officer was a rarity, and the reason given was the transparent cover story of an extra-marital affair with a civilian woman. What makes this relevant to our purposes is that the Army's TRADOC plays a key role in maneuvers. In fact, the headquarters for Sudden Response 05 was located at Fort Monroe, placing the entire operation under Byrnes, command. Byrnes was replaced by Lt. Gen. William S. Wallace. (Washington Post, August 10, 2005) What was the goal of cashiering Byrnes, just as the Cheney drive for nuclear terrorism and nuclear attack on Iran went into overdrive?

The utopian-terrorist faction of the US military loves to wage war on the cheap. More traditionalist views stress logistics and force structure. Byrne had reportedly clashed in 2002 with the Pentagon's utopian intelligence boss, Stephen Cambone (the keystone of the Cambone-Boykin-Miller clique responsible for Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib) over troop strength cuts. According to one version, Byrnes, command had been ordered to prepare for the influx of 50,000 raw recruits into Fort Rucker, Alabama possibly in the context of a reinstituted military draft. TRADOC had also been told to prepare to accept recruits with no education, with criminals records, with no ability to speak English practically penal divisions. Army retirees were also slated to be dragooned back into service. Byrnes would thus emerge as the leading figure of a military opposition of sorts against the crackpot aggressive planning of the Bush-Cheney-neocon regime. Byrnes was also said to be associated with a group of generals linked to the US Army War College at Carlisle Barracks, Pennsylvania. (www.waynemadsenreport.com, August 10, 2005) Carlisle Barracks is the home of Jeffrey Record, who is the author of a decidedly down-beat evaluation of the first Gulf War of 1990-91. Analysts associated with the War College have also been exceptionally blunt in their criticism of the current Iraq war. Record wrote in January 2004 that the Iraq war had been a "strategic error," and was being waged with a strategy that "promises more than it can deliver." The intriguing question remains as to whether Byrnes was also disinclined to have drills and exercises in which TRADOC was involved used as covers for state-sponsored terrorism."

[dbeach]

28. link..very long read

but with great tie ins on many angles that have been in dic-scussion at DU and other forums

http://www.cloakanddagger.de/media/Tarpley/bushcheney_heading__for_nuclear.htm

[Hubert Flottz]

36. Webster Tarpley is thinking the same things I've been thinking

about Iran. Bush could touch off an unstoppable diplomatic chain reaction, should he nuke Anyone. A US confrontation with Russia and China, really would be an "imminent danger" to the US and to the world.

I hope and pray that Mr. Fitzgerald really can do something, because I believe that the doomsday clock is close to striking unlucky 13! Wouldn't it be great if the American judicial system that placed Bush in the White House in the first place, cleaned up it's act and removed him and his gang of thieves and liars, for their high crimes?

[Me.]

24. A Little Late To The "Party"

Sorry, but where was CS a year or two ago? To me this has the feel of someone playing catch up and not minding who is stepped on, along the way, in the hope of a prescient reputation. And if one is going to don the conspiracy cloak, why not question CS' motives? A plant being used wittingly or un to trash Wilson? What are the bona fides here?

[darkworkz]

25. And your point is?

Is the info CS posted correct?

Is the electorate ready for a real / objective use of the laws of the U.S.?

Did you know about the info CS has presented, before he did so? If so, why didn't you bring it to the public's attention before him?

And your point again was...?

[Me.]

29. My Point Is...

Who is CS to call Wilson out? Wilson stood up and has paid for his truthtelling, he talked the talk and has continued to do so before the "expertise" of CS came into play.

[dbeach]

30. CS is a US Citzen like U

wilson is an elite..now that does not make him a bush player but the elites seem to ne moving the game along with many wars and much fear mongering ..so WHY trust an elite or CS for that matter?..its spin for cover..wish CS was rt about most things and Wilson is a good guy but that may be my majical thinking..

the us govt has a long history of selling weapons to our enemies so all CS is saying is bush sole nukes and the wilson stuff is cover..maybe? but I do think bush sold nukes..

[H2O Man]

31. In a very real sense

you are right: you shouldn't trust Wilson. You have no reason to. He really is not even among the significant issues now. He is a spokesperson that many people like, and many do not. The case that the federal grand jury is hearing is actually distinct from that, however. What indictments may, or may not, be returned by the grand jury have nothing to do with if DUers like Wilson or not.


Still, the case that is being heard would not have occured had it not been for Wilson's calling the administration out, very publicly, for the lie of the infamous 16 words. Those who oppose the Bush administration, and their violent aggression in Iraq, recognize that small doors sometimes open into large rooms .... and, indeed, that is the case in this case. Wilson, for obvious reasons, is not able to speak entirely openly. But the restrictions on his ability to to talk about the case has not resulted in his refusing to point in the direction of the truth.

If we accept the premise that any and everything should be opened to question, then it should be worth considering why some people would prefer to take the focus off of what this case involves, and to try to distract attention from that and smear Wilson. One might even connect those attempts with the original attempts to discredit him by exposing his wife. Groups like Rendon work at many levels, to attempt to manipulate public perception. Malcolm X used to tell us that there are those who would trick us to being suspicious of our friends, and trusting our enemies, if we weren't alert. Of course, there were those who spread rumors about Malcolm, too.

[darkworkz]

35. BTW...

Wilson is not the issue here - looking like a straw-man to me.

The issue is USC 18 793 & 794. If Wilson is a hot button issue? Great.

But the point is the law. Personalities do not / cannot trump the law.

And the law is CS's point.

[H2O Man]

38. Actually

the law is Fitzgerald's point. And he is able to investigate, and hopefully prosecute, because of Wilson .... and not CS.

[darkworkz]

39. Very true

CS has provided us with a view of what's possible.

We'll have to wait for Fitzgerald to tell us what he's actually done.

CS has introduced a set of laws that most didn't even know existed or were applicable to the case Fitzgerald is investigating. Now that a few more people know what's possible we'll be more informed and have a clearer view when his (Fitzgerald) results are announced.

[Me.]

40. I Don't Know That B*** Sold Nukes

but Cheney, via Halliburton, via KBR sold components for weapons of mass destruction to countries they now want war with such as Iran. The theory is that this is what V. Plame was working on and that stopping her and discrediting her husband was the two birds with one stone. A French judge has been putting together a case against Cheney for this reason, for at least one year and a half.

[darkworkz]

34. That's nice...

But what does your point have to do with CS's info?

So far I'm not reading anything from you that disputes or tears down what he's presented.

The facts that CS has enlightened us on are there for debate. If you have other facts that show his info to be incorrect, please link it for us.

If not...What are you talking about?

[Me.]

41. Bringing Someone's Reputation

into question without any real proof, based only on conjecture, is what I'm talking about. And IMHO, such repetition and smear have a very familiar feel to them. The Plame affair provided the key to the lock of a great deal of the WH's nefarious doings, and hopefully when Fitzgerald is done we will have the answers to the Plame matter, AIPAC and the money laundering case, just for starters.

[darkworkz]

45. wha...?

Your presentation makes it sound like Wilson and not the Plame outing is the issue at hand.

CS uses Wilson to point out that there's a disconnect between his (Wilson) words and the law. I'm not sure if diplomats have to sign a NDA (or what ever the term is for people in that field) with 18 USC 793 & 794 on it. IF he does then why the focus on the lesser charge?

In the final analysis it really doesn't matter. Wilson is a straw-man argument at best. The facts, as presented by CS, are that the US is looking at treasonous offenses by several appointed officials. As you point out, Fitzgerald will provide answers (of some type) when he's finished.

[H2O Man]

49. Actually

the claim that "Wilson is a straw-man argument at best" indicates either an ignorance of the facts or a desire to tarnish the truth. The espionage laws being discussed have been part of the discussion on the Plame Threads for over a year. In fact, they support Wilson's position, when properly understood.

[nonny]

26. CS should be a teacher

He repeats the facts of the law until they sink in. I have learned so much from reading his blog.

I also do a lot of googling-- (18 USC 793) 10th page

I don't know what to make of this.
_______________________________________________
THIS SITE HAS BEEN SHUT DOWN BY THE COUNTER TERRORIST UNIT (C.T.U.) AND SHALL REMAIN UNTIL A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN CONDUCTED ON THE FOLLOWING VIOLATIONS:

(15 U.S.C.) § 421: Identify covert agents

(18 U.S.C.) § 793: Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

(18 U.S.C.) § 794: Disclose information to aid foreign governments

(18 U.S.C.) § 798: Disclosure of classified information

more--
http://www.macchianera.net/shutdown.html

-----------------------------
First time I ever saw any thing like this.

It seems to me that CS is right about those laws -- 18 USC 793 & 794

[mmonk]

37. Wilson is clean

I don't think he and his wife are in cahoots with anyone. To be outed is a serious matter not only for the outed individual, but also that person's colleagues through the years. I don't think the Wilsons' are in some sort of suicide pact with the administration. Whatever conjecture Wilson has come up with concerning application of law, it doesn't matter (whether it was the point of law Citizenspook says or not).

[Octafish]

52. Agree 100 percent.

Black Ops folk don't endanger their own family for "The Cause." They don't even endanger their own bank account.

The Wilsons are patriots. Like many before them, they're willing to risk everything for their Country.

Big diff.

[H2O Man]

55. Correct.

People should use caution, and recognize the difference between the truth and fantasy in this case. There is no mystery source on the run, delivering the word while he hides from RAND mercenaries intent on protecting Wilson's cooperation with the BFEE. You might as well believe that this fellow is the 7th son of Dr. Kimble, searching for a one-armed man.

[MadeinOhio]

58. My thing with the whole theory is....

Why isn't Joe Wilson talking about the breach of law under 794 c that is defined, and portrayed by our constitution as treason?

What happened to all the talk about the damage done to Brewster Jennings, and the real story behind the scenes?

This law is documented, lawyers have confirmed it applies to this case. It was used to convict Aldrich Ames, and recent traitors such as Larry Franklin who was working for AIPAC/PNAC.

Why in the world would it NOT apply to Karl Rove except if, by some political bias or strange turn of burying the truth?

We hold everyone to the same standard of law regardless of politics: That is the motto of the constitution, and should be the motto everyone blasts. Wilson is not blasting the law related to treason.

[dbeach]

60. here here!

dunno but wilson could be a HUGE man of the hr now when one is needed
like no other time in history..but he ain't getting his frog march til he starts speaking out...unless fitzie Fitzie a home run..

[H2O Man]

63. Because you are

not familiar with it, doesn't mean Wilson hasn't addressed it. A good place to start would be Wilson's book.

Another thing that you might want to take into consideration is the Fitzgerald has asked those involved in the grand jury investigation not to speak about it. Very few people have failed to respect that request: Matt Cooper and the attorneys for Rove and Libby are the only three. While you might want Wilson to join company with these three, most people will hopefully appreciate why he does not.

[OKJackson]

75. He should be upbeat, not downbeat

He's acting like it's useless to pursue charges because they can't be prosecuted while we have a law where that can be done.

Sure sounds like a Karl Rove trick to me.

[dbeach]

59. wilson is /is not

she loves me she loves me not..

who is CS..is he for real?

the eyes are on the prize..Impeachment or indictment.

the BFEE is capable of wrongdoing at every level..so why not corrupt wilson and then set him up the protect jr.??.or throw some real red meat at the left and offer up kkkarl for a full hearty meal..

the bush tactics are ALWAYS loaded with confusion and disinfo but some truths slip out..

bush is a war profiteer ..we know that..BUT did he go the extra mile and sell the nukes without congressional approval?

based on bush history of treachery..I would say yes..then wilson is either good guy..hope ..hope.or he is another insider riding the corporat train to doomsday..

in the end we will agree on this ..bush will not leave any witnesses regardless of political affiliations.. and my bet is he will sacrifce his most trusted lietenants..

Wonder what powell had to say to the Grand Jury?

does he still carry around the fantasy WMD charts with the photos?

[OKJackson]

77. Well from what the news says...

does he still carry around the fantasy WMD charts with the photos?

...no. Because he has been quoted saying the UN speech was the low point of his life.

[earth mom]

46. KICK!

:kick:

[LibertyorDeath]

66. Wilson's motivations may be irrelevant now. It's down to Fitz & the GJ

I think CS suspicions of Wilson are understandable.
People should be cautious when dealing with anyone connected to the Rove\Cheney machine things are not always as they appear.

That said it seems like a mute point now it's all down to Fitz and the Grand Jury.

Fitzgerald, 44, is the special prosecutor investigating the leak of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame's name to columnist Robert Novak. The gifted son of an Irish doorman makes no bones about challenging the establishment. His office is also prosecuting former Illinois governor George Ryan and loyal associates of Chicago Mayor Richard Daley on influence-peddling and corruption charges.

He sees his task as getting to the bottom of things in ways as creative as the law allows. The law doesn't say you can't question a sitting president about his contacts or an investigative reporter about confidential sources. So Fitzgerald has done both, including quizzing Bush for more than an hour in the White House last June. His assiduous demands for answers from journalists alarms critics who believe he has created the greatest confrontation between the government and the press in a generation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55560-2005Feb1.html
The Prosecutor Never Rests (washingtonpost.com)

[Imagevision]

70. September sounds like an interesting month.

The idea of a nuclear 9-11 in the states falls right along with the way the Bush cartel operates - sounds like instant replay!


http://downingstreetmemo.com/

[dbeach]

78. Wayne Madsen: Fitzie will wrap it up in Sept

sroll down but this is whole statement from Madsen

"August 30, 2005 -- There are indications that Rovegate Special Prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald will be wrapping up his two-year probe of the CIA/Valerie Plame Wilson leak sometime between the end of the Labor Day Congressional recess and the end of September. Informed rumor has it that there will be indictments of at least two senior-level Bush administration officials."
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

[earth mom]

79. KICK!

:kick: