Can someone help me counter the "Cindy's an anti-Semite" bullcrap...

[DRoseDARs]

This:
Is this lady still blaming her son's death on the Jooos?

My response:
:eyes: Lame troll.

Her comment about Isreal was that it remove itself from Palestinian territories, nothing more insidious than what Bush himself has publically suggested back when it was fashionable for Bush to seem like he cared. It's astonishing (no, not really) that her simple comment was twisted by the rightwing echo chamber into her being an anti-Semite.

To which he responds:
No, her comment was that American soldiers were dying at the behest of Joooish neo-cons who ordered the war to protect Israeli interests. Has she backed off from that type of rhetoric? If she hasn't, then I honestly don't give a **** what she thinks.

[HuckleB]

1. If criticism of Israeli government policies is anti-semitic...

what does that make the rather significant percentage of Israelis who've criticized their government over the years?

[DRoseDARs]

2. "Looks like we have us some of those self-hatin' Jews..."

Quote compliments of Family Guy. :)

[O.M.B.inOhio]

8. an analogy - Israel : Jim Crow

I suggest that you must support the policies of the current govt of Israel because you're Jewish is like saying if you're white you must support Jim Crow laws. Or you hate men if you embrace equal rights for women. Systematic humiliation, unfair practices, clannish protectionism are no basis for a community's allegiances.

[izzie]

14. They would class me a Jew hater

I think we give them to much money, but then I think we sell to many arms to SA and no one tells me I hate Arabs. You figure it out.

[rodeodance]

3. she has spoken of PNCA before--I am wondering if the comments

were said in this context?

[rman]

10. RW wisdom has it that PNAC is a code word for Jews

So, saying something negative about PNAC = being anti-semitic.
Which explains why the MSM rarely if ever mention PNAC.

[punpirate]

4. The simpler answer would be...

... "no, she's blaming the death of her son on George Bush, I believe."

That should about do it. :)

[Hekate]

9. Right -- "And I believe GW Bush claims to be a Christian"

As do Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Tom DeLay, Condi Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, et al., ad nauseum.

The ultra-far-right-fundy Christians (Dominionists/Christian Reconstructionists) have pretty much overrun this administration. I have read numerous times about mandatory-in-all-but-name Bible Study classes in the WH, prayers at Cabinet meetings, you name it. Dubya's State of the Union speech and acceptance speech at the RNC were so replete with Biblical references they might as well have been sermons. In fact, his podium at the RNC looked very much like a pulpit, as it had a cross worked into the front wood panel.

Somehow they all seem to be missing the merciful-compassionate-and-forgiving Jesus in their Bible-thumping rhetoric -- and most certainly these Christian attributes are starkly missing from both foreign and domestic policies.

So yeah, there are a clutch of Jews in the Bush administration who are influential Neocons, but do they run the show? Don't make me laugh. The overwhelming numbers and influence are Christian (so they often say), from Bush on down. Those are the folks driving Middle East policy, from Israel to Baghdad and beyond.

Hekate

#Why won't the Chickenhawk cross the road?#

[Dogmudgeon]

5. I don't think she even said it

No one can seem to find the footage that allegedly caught her making the statements.

This will probably be the new Republican tactic: lie, and then say the records or footage has been lost -- and then insinuate that the Clenis has been up to its old tricks again.

--p!

[jody]

6. Wasn't her comment re the strong tie between right-wing Zionists and

neocons?

I'm bothered by those who would equate criticism of Israel and a few right-wing Zionists with anti-Semitism.

EDITED TO ADD:
Suggest you read "Attacking Neo-Cons From the Right"

[WePurrsevere]

7. Since it seems to be rumor only so far how about, "Please show me...

... the exact reliable news source where she supposedly made this comment so I can verify both it's authenticity and the context it was stated in."

Basically that throws it back to them as a "put up or shut up". IMO Arguing over an elusive rumor is like the old adage of "teaching a pig to sing".

[DRoseDARs]

11. He's getting it from here:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2124500/

Here is an unambivalent statement: "The moral authority of parents who bury children killed in Iraq is absolute."

And, now, here's another:

Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the army to protect America, not Israel. Am I stupid? No, I know full well that my son, my family, this nation and this world were betrayed by George Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agendas after 9/11. We were told that we were attacked on 9/11 because the terrorists hate our freedoms and democracy … not for the real reason, because the Arab Muslims who attacked us hate our middle-eastern foreign policy.

The first statement comes from Maureen Dowd, in her New York Times column of Aug. 10. The second statement comes from Cindy Sheehan, whose son Casey was killed in Iraq last year. It was sent to the editors of ABC's Nightline on March 15. In her article, Dowd was arguing that Sheehan's moral authority was absolute.

[DRoseDARs]

15. Wikipedia has this to say on the e-mail in question:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cindy_sheehan

There is controversy over an e-mail that Sheehan sent to ABC's Nightline allegedly containing various comments about Israel. A version of the email was posted to the "bullyard" Google group by "Tony" on March 18, 2005. <11> which allegedly states Casey "was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel" and he "joined the Army to protect America, not Israel." Sheehan claims that the email was modified by James Morris to support his own personal agenda. <12><13> However, James Morris denies altering the email before sending it along to Nightline. And two other individuals, Tony Tersch and Skeeter Gallagher, received a copy of Sheehan's email directly from her. It was Tersch who posted the email he received to the "bullyard" Google group. <14> Sheehan also gave a speech to the Veterans for Peace convention stating, "You get America out of Iraq, you get Israel out of Palestine". <15>

[Cocoa]

12. she denied saying it

so first thing to do, find out what she said, if in fact she said anything, before you defend it.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

13. Ask It when the Palestinians stopped being Semites.

Then ask It for REAL proof that the term "Jewish neocon" was ever used by Cindy.

(Cheyney converted? Who knew!!)