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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 03:58 AM
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President Clinton - Eight Great Years

15 million working families enjoyed tax relief under President Clinton's expanded Earned Income Tax Credit. Thanks to Clinton, the EITC lifted 4.3 million people out of poverty in 1998 alone.

1.5 million children benefited when Clinton more than doubled federal funding for child care.

President Clinton signed a bad "welfare reform" bill in 1996, but Clinton vetoed a worse bill twice, winning concessions each time including - increased child care funding (by $4 billion), worker retraining, extensions for benefits, exceptions for "hard cases" and more.

Clinton increased funding for the Head Start program by 90 percent in FY 2000 so 880,000 children had a better chance to learn and grow.

Clinton forced the minimum wage up from $4.25 to $5.15 per hour and demanded an increase to $6.15.

Clinton's Workforce Investment Act reformed the nation's employment and training system.

Clinton's AmeriCorps gave 150,000 young people the opportunity to serve in their communities while earning money for college or skills training.

President Clinton's One America initiatives challenged us to respect others' differences and embrace the common values that unite us. "o close the opportunity gaps that exist for minorities and the underserved in this country."

The poverty rate fell from 15.1 percent in 1993 to 12.7 percent in 1998. That's the lowest poverty rate since 1979 and the largest five-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years (1965-1970).

The African-American poverty rate dropped from 33.1 percent in 1993 to 26.1 percent in 1998 -- the lowest level ever recorded and the largest five-year drop in African-American poverty in more than a quarter century (1967-1972).

The poverty rate for Hispanics fell to the lowest level since 1979, and dropped to 25.6 percent in 1998.

African-American unemployment fell from 14.2 percent in 1992 to 7.3 percent in March 2000 -- the lowest rate on record.

The unemployment rate for Hispanics fell from 11.6 percent in 1992 to 6.3 percent in March 2000 -- and in the last year has been at the lowest rate on record.

For women the unemployment rate was 4.3 percent in March 2000, nearly the lowest since 1953 .

In 1999, the homeownership rate was 66.8 percent -- the highest ever recorded. Minority homeownership rates were also the highest ever recorded.

Under President Clinton and Vice President Gore, child poverty declined from 22.7 percent in 1993 to 18.9 percent in 1998 -- the biggest five-year drop in nearly 30 years.

The poverty rate for African-American children fell from 46.1 percent in 1993 to 36.7 percent in 1998 -- the lowest level in 20 years and the biggest five-year drop on record.

The rate also fell for Hispanic children, from 36.8 percent to 34.4 percent - and is now 6.5 percentage points lower than it was in 1993.

Source: http://www.mikehersh.com/President_Clinton_Eight_Great_Years.shtml

Strong Economic Growth: Since President Clinton and Vice President Gore took office, economic growth has averaged 4% per year, compared to average growth of 2.8% during the Reagan-Bush years. The economy has grown for 116 consecutive months, the most in history.

Most New Jobs Ever Created Under a Single Administration: The economy has created more than 22.5 million jobs in less than eight years: the most jobs ever created under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous 12 years. Of the total new jobs, 20.7 million, or 92%, are in the private sector.

Median Family Income Up $6,000 since 1993: Economic gains have been made across the spectrum as family incomes increased for all citizens. Since 1993, real median family income has increased by $6,338, from $42,612 in 1993 to $48,950 in 1999 (in 1999 dollars).

Unemployment at Its Lowest Level in More than 30 Years: Overall unemployment has dropped to the lowest level in more than 30 years, down from 6.9% in 1993 to just 4$ in November, 2000. The unemployment rate has been below 5% for 40 consecutive months. Unemployment for African Americans has fallen from 14.2% in 1992 to 7.3% in October 2000, the lowest rate on record. Unemployment for Hispanics has fallen from 11.8% in October 1992 to 5% in October, 2000, also the lowest rate on record.

Lowest Inflation since the 1960s: Inflation is at the lowest rate since the Kennedy Administration, averaging 2.5%, and it is down from 4.7% during the previous administration.

Highest Homeownership Rate on Record: The homeownership rate reached 67.7% for the third quarter of 2000, the highest rate on record. In contrast, the homeownership rate fell from 65.6% in the first quarter of 1981 to 63.7% in the first quarter of 1993.

7 Million Fewer Citizens Living in Poverty: The poverty rate has declined from 15.1% in 1993 to 11.8% last year, the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. There are now 7 million fewer people in poverty than there were in 1993.

Largest Surplus Ever: The surplus in FY 2000 is $237 billion, the third consecutive surplus and the largest surplus ever.

Largest Three-Year Debt Pay-Down Ever: Between 1998-2000, the publicly held debt was reduced by $363 billion, the largest three-year pay-down in U.S. history. Under Presidents Reagan and Bush, the debt held by the public quadrupled. Under the Clinton-Gore budget, we are on track to pay off the entire publicly held debt on a net basis by 2009.

Lower Federal Government Spending: After increasing under the previous two administrations, federal government spending as a share of the economy has been cut from 22.2% in 1992 to 18% in 2000, the lowest level since 1966.

Reduced Interest Payments on the Debt: In 1993, the net interest payments on the debt held by the public were projected to grow to $348 billion in FY 2000. In 2000, interest payments on the debt were $125 billion lower than projected.

Citizens Benefit from Reduced Debt: Because of fiscal discipline and deficit and debt reduction, it is estimated that a family with a home mortgage of $100,000 might expect to save roughly $2,000 per year in mortgage payments, like a large tax cut.

Double Digit Growth in Private Investment in Equipment and Software: Lower debt will help maintain strong economic growth and fuel private investments. With government no longer draining resources out of capital markets, private investment in equipment and software averaged 13.3% annual growth since 1993, compared to 4.7% during 1981 to 1992.

To Establish Fiscal Discipline, President Clinton:


Enacted the 1993 Deficit Reduction Plan without a Single Republican Vote. Prior to 1993, the debate over fiscal policy often revolved around a false choice between public investment and deficit reduction. The 1993 deficit reduction plan showed that deficit and debt reductions could be accomplished in a progressive way by slashing the deficit in half and making important investments in our future, including education, health care, and science and technology research. The plan included more than $500 billion in deficit reduction. It also cut taxes for 15 million of the hardest-pressed citizens by expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit; created the Direct Student Loan Program; created the first nine Empowerment Zones and first 95 Enterprise Communities; and passed tax cuts for small businesses and research and development.

Negotiated the Balanced Budget Agreement of 1997. In his 1997 State of the Union address, President Clinton announced his plan to balance the budget for the first time in 27 years. Later that year, he signed the Balanced Budget Act of 1997, a major bipartisan agreement to eliminate the national budget deficit, create the conditions for economic growth, and invest in the education and health of our people. It provided middle-class tax relief with a $500 per child tax credit and the Hope Scholarship and Lifetime Learning tax credits for college. It also created the Children's Health Insurance Program to serve up to 5 million children and made landmark investments in education initiatives including educational technology, charter schools, Head Start, and Pell Grants. Finally, it added 20 more Empowerment Zones and 20 more rural Enterprise Communities, included the President's plan to revitalize the District of Columbia, and continued welfare reform though $3 billion in new resources to move welfare recipients to private-sector jobs.

Dedicated the Surplus to Save Social Security and Reduce the National Debt. In his 1998 and 1999 State of the Union addresses, President Clinton called on the nation to save the surplus until the solvency of Social Security is assured. He also repeatedly vetoed large Republican tax cut bills that would have jeopardized our nation's fiscal discipline. The President's actions led to a bipartisan consensus on saving the surplus and paying down the debt.

Extended Medicare Solvency from 1999 to 2025. When President Clinton took office, Medicare was expected to become insolvent in 1999, then only six years away. The 1993 deficit reduction act dedicated some of the taxes paid by Social Security beneficiaries to the Medicare Trust Fund and extended the life of Medicare by three years to 2002. Thanks to additional provisions to combat waste, fraud and abuse and bipartisan cooperation in the 1997 balanced budget agreement, Medicare is now expected to remain solvent until 2025.


and more here http://bogota.usembassy.gov/wwwsbc01.shtml

Clinton on gay/lesbian rights (most inclusive administration ever)
http://clinton3.nara.gov/WH/Accomplishments/ac399.html

and hey I am sure you can find much more. Just thought I would post some good things about Clinton rather than the "Clintons are evil nazi" posts that are so common lately.

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 04:08 AM
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1. "The Clinton Prosperity" a golden era.Thank you for telling it like it is.
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 10:51 AM
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24. Clinton
This article does well by outlining Clinton's achievements, but one must remember that Clinton achieved them in the midst of what was a growing Republican revolution, and despite the hundreds of lawsuits and other obstacles which well-funded and -organized republicans presented. That is the Clinton miracle. He worked well under pressure. Contrast Clinton's style with that of * now that he's in hot water.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 10:53 AM
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25. Just imagine what Clinton could have accomplished if the RW
hadn't been dogging him? National Health care maybe?
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 04:35 AM
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2. Delete
Edited on Sat Aug-27-05 04:37 AM by Pigwidgeon
I've changed my mind.

--p!
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 04:38 AM
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3. I heard
he and Hillary even feasted on live prey once a month.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 04:46 AM
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4. Cheers to Clinton
And flame me if you will, but I don't weep for his welfare reform. He got the welfare rolls down and got poverty and unemployment down in the process. What's wrong with that combination?
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 04:58 AM
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5. Mebbe skyrocketing imprisonment and homelessness rates?
Food bank customers way, way up. And the bad stuff didn't happen with welfare reform until families stayed poor after they passed eligibility dates.
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 05:07 AM
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6. I think welfare reform
Edited on Sat Aug-27-05 05:08 AM by BayCityProgressive
was a flawed bill..but so are most that come out of Washington. I thought certain parts of the bill were good and certain parts were bad.Remember Clinton vetoed two bills that were very cruel to the poor but if he had not signed some form of reform ( and I believe the system did need reform) Than the GOP would have slammed him. If Dole would have won the presidency the GOP would have passed a HORRIBLE welfare bill.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 05:27 AM
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7. Granted, Clinton did block some of the worst Rethug initiatives--
--however, NAFTA and the Telecommunications Act of 1996 were major disasters. The latter gave Rethugs complete control over the airwaves.
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clitzpah queen Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 05:32 AM
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8. Set stage for unprecedented Media Consolidation on His watch
In the form of the 1996 Telecommunications Act, Clinton allowed regulations to be removed thus granting the unprecedented Rise in corporate media monopolies of Rupert Murdoch, ClearChannel, Sinclair, et al, which ended up making George W and the Demolition in Iraq possible....

then let's not forget NAFTA
(there's a lot more....but I'm too tired)

What really pisses me off about Clinton is his role in buddying around with the Bush family since the election, and the speeches he gave about diffusing the animosity between the parties -- at a time when Dems need to be Emboldened. Rage against Crimes against the American people (not to mention the rest of the world) is Good and Healthy - and deserves channeling NOT diverting and suppressing.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:42 AM
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14. BINGO - on both counts. And others.
I've said some already but that 1995 welfare 'reform' bill didn't stop "corporate welfare", which seems to be an even more spendy, frivolous issue...

And Clinton's buddy-buddying with the pukes is BIZARRE. Stockholm syndrome? Those people incriminated him on a ridiculous accusation no less and now he's chummy-chummy with them because they're in power? Clinton has proven himself a phony for that alone.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 10:17 AM
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22. This discussion isn't about that
It's about his presidency and what he was able to accomplish.
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Tim4319 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 05:33 AM
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9. I don't care what horrible post are being written about Clinton,
I have come to the conclusion that you cannot please all of the people all of the time. So, to knock him for the few things that did not fair that well, I will not do. No man/woman is perfect!

All I know, is that in my lifetime, and I was born in 1972, since I was able to comprehend politics, the best president of "my lifetime" has been Bill Clinton! My first true memories of politics came about in the Reagan era. I saw the struggles my family went through. I saw the struggles my community went through. Things got worse with GHWB. Clinton can in and cleaned up 12 years of down times for the lower income family in 8.

So, I hope your post sheds a lot of light to those "plays hats" out there that continue to write negative post about Bill Clinton.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 02:41 PM
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30. I'm quite a bit older than you -- born in 1949
And I think he was the best president in my lifetime as well. The only one that may have come close, but who never had a chance to reach his potential, was JFK.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 05:36 AM
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10. Onion headline I'll never forget:
January 2001: Our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 05:39 AM
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11. Eight good years followed by eight lean years! Talk about the Bible
in action? The parallel between those facts and the Old Testament story of Joseph and the Pharaoh are intriguing, see Genesis 41.

Still, every economist knows the cyclical nature of business.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 02:42 PM
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31. Does that mean in 2008 things will be on the upswing again?
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Mr.Green93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:31 AM
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12. Eight years of DOLLAR GAS!
Bring back Democratic leadership and bring back prosperity.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:40 AM
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13. And the FMLA. But consider these points and reconsider:
While executive pay continued to skyrocket and dole out golden parachutes, worker pay stayed the same (apart from basic SoL costs.) Indeed, worker pay has remained stagnant since the early 1970s; the cost of goods going down thanks to OFFSHORING and doubling "productivity" here at home out of workers; making their lives more stressful while the executives plays golf. Clinton did nothing to restore the balance.

NAFTA. Who's it bennefitting? (not us; for 'free' trade we can't seem to get their drugs so easily anymore...) and Canada won't appreciate it once energy crises start to hit...

DMCA - has been a boon to lawyers and big corporations, but to nobody else.

Revocation of the 55mph federal speed limit only increased our need for foreign oil. (65mph uses 15% more fuel than 55mph...)

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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:47 AM
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15. A mediocrity who tried to made Dems into moderate repugs.
With a lot of them still around spouting the DLC "winning elections is everything" line.

I voted for him twice as the lesser of two evils. Still regret it.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 09:50 AM
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18. to each his own but as for me ...
I prefer peace and prosperity and am not so silly as to condemn it.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:51 AM
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16. I will never forgive him for DOMA and NAFTA. and
the "Telecommunications Reform Act of 1996" which helped the RW Clear Channel get a monopoly in the media.I also believe he was instrumental in galvanizing the right to give us the Republican majorities we now have in Congress. Sorry to rain on your Clinton lovefest but it needed a strong dose of REALITY. :shrug:
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 09:39 AM
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17. well
no one to the right of Karl Marx is ever going to make most people here happy. Hell, I remember when people were slamming Boxer and saying they wouldnt vote for her anymore because she voted for sanctions on Syria. I don't oppose NAFTA because I do support globalization, however I think it needs some changes. Closing our societies and others, by being anti-globalization nuts, is only going to spur the rise of more bad government in the third world.I am gay so obviously oppose the DOMA but he is still the most pro-gay president we have ever had.Telecommunications Act? Didn't agree with.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 09:51 AM
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19. i do not know you personally but as ...
someone who was raising a family during that period as a single Dad, I can tell you that the peace and prosperity produced during his administration was far more important to people than either of those two acts you mention.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 02:50 PM
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32. But here's an interesting question...
Suppose he'd been able to run again, and was president now. Do you think that prosperity would have lasted, knowing what we now know about NAFTA's devastating effects on the United States' manufacturing base and the hemorrhaging of jobs to other countries by corporations encouraged by NAFTA's corporate-friendly policies, which allow them to use slave or near-slave labor?

See, what pisses me off the most about NAFTA is that Clinton promised worker protections as part of the policy during the campaign trail, then dropped those protections once in office. I see that as a betrayal of not only the American worker but also workers worldwide.

A hypothetical, to be sure, but what do you make of the question?

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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 10:09 AM
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20. They were good years....
But not his doing. He got lucky with the Internet explosion.

Reading Ruperts Crossing the Rubicon now, he mentions that Clinton was involved in Iran/contra during his Governorship, not to mention he was bombing Iraq (longest sustained bombing since Vietnam).

Dems are in just as deep as Repugs these days.

I have no faith in either party.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 10:13 AM
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21. not his doing?
So your position is that if Bush I had been in charge, we would still have had the huge economic boom of the 90s?
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 10:39 AM
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23. no....
It would not have been as big for us, the rich would have been getting richer even faster. Not to mention we would be over in Syria or Saudi Arabia by now, Clinton being in office did slow down the PNAC plan some.

Did you know... It will take over 20 years for enough jobs to be created (just in NY City) to employ the people whose benefits run out after 2-5 years? I'm not sure if I read this in Crossing the Rubicon, or the Long Emergency or People's History of the US (I've read them all in the last 3 weeks, all the info is jumbled together).
But I can track it down for you if you like.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 11:09 AM
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26. no need ...
the point is this ... Bill Clinton's administration was marked by extreme success for the average person. I personally believe that were it not for the Economic Recovery Act of 1993 (which passed without a single Republican vote), our prosperity in the 90s would have been very short lived.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 11:29 AM
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27. "galvanizing the right to give us"
BULLSHIT!! diebold gave us republican majorities. media control gave us republican majorities. they just put a bill clinton puppet on their hands while they did it. wake the fuck up people. there is no correlation between anything bill did and how much these morans hate him. NOTHING!!!!!
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 12:13 PM
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28. Thank you for that reminder. (nt)
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 01:47 PM
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29. It is not productive to just slam Clinton, or to reject very substantive
Edited on Sat Aug-27-05 01:48 PM by Peace Patriot
criticism of him because of the prosperity of the '90s. The "free trade" agreements that Clinton backed and signed were a time-bomb that had not yet hit. He promised during the 1992 election to insure labor and environmental protections in those agreements, and completely broke that promise. The vast job losses that we are now suffering are directly attributable to those agreements--not to mention the proliferation of sweatshops worldwide where extremely poor people are suffering virtual indentured servitude, as the power of our labor unions to achieve decent wages and working conditions is utterly destroyed. This was not George Bush's doing. It was Clinton's!

So, too, the Telecommunications Act, which, more than any other factor, except perhaps for the Supreme Court crowning of Bush in '00, was/is responsible for all the death in Iraq, since it was the war profiteering corporate news monopolies who, a) relentlessly propagandized the war, and ignored the 100% pack of lies that the Bush Cartel told about it, and b) trumpeted the minority of Americans who supported the war to create the ILLUSION of a majority, when their own opinion polls showed a majority of nearly 60% opposing the Iraq (way back in Feb. '03, BEFORE the invasion).

These two things--massive job losses and the impact of globalization on organized labor and on our planetary environment, and the Iraq War and its corporate propaganda machine-- have been utter catastrophes for our country and for the world. We cannot, and should not, ignore them in evaluating Clinton's presidency, and in attempting to sway the direction of the Democratic Party NOW.

Clinton's social policies were progressive, and more than this, were truly conservative in the best sense of the word, that is, they honored hundreds of years of social progress and social consensus, and continued that great American tradition of increasing inclusiveness, and opportunity for all. I have nothing but praise for him on this matter (except for letting the generals back him down on regularizing the status of gays in the military--they should have all been fired). I also feel that, if we do indeed continue to have a history, history will some day acknowledge that Clinton was a key factor in the democratization of Latin America that we are now seeing, by calling off the death squads, assassinations and covert wars, and the support for vicious dictators, that had characterized U.S. foreign policy during the Reagan junta and before.

I think he was wrong on Iraq, and played into the PNAC group's diabolical schemes by preparing Iraq for conquest (via the sanctions and "no fly zone" bombings). (Was there ever a more cowardly act than the invasion of Iraq after 12 years of economic and military destruction?) He was also responsible for depleted uranium use in weaponry (on his watch), a time bomb that is going to hit soldiers and their families, much like Gulf War Syndrome and Agent Orange (in Vietnam), and that is already causing vast suffering in Iraq and birth deformities there and here.

It is VERY LIKELY that we are going to have a War Democrat and a supporter of Global Corporate Piracy forced upon us by use of the rightwing-controlled electronic voting machines, with their SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code. We simply don't have time to get this changed, given the bipartisan corruption in the billion dollar electronic voting system boondoggle. We WILL get it changed eventually, but not sufficiently in time for '06 and '08. We will not be permitted the choice of a true, antiwar populist--which is what we very badly need in the White House, and what the great majority of Americans want.

So...we are, in a sense, back to 1992. The War/Corporate Democrat will likely promise to "bring the troops home" some time or another, and NOT to loot Social Security. That's about all we will get...and, maybe, some lip service to progressive values by which we might be able to mount a campaign to, a) reform the election system; and b) bust up the news monopolies.

We will need to be VERY FOCUSED on the MECHANISMS of power--and not get distracted by the betrayal of promises. There are 15 permanent U.S. military bases in Iraq, some of them the size of small cities. We're never leaving there, friends. And those bases are going to be the launching pad for permanent Mideast war, until the U.S. has Israel surrounded with U.S. military might and is in possession of the last big oil reserves on earth (besides Venezuela's). We are also going to see a Draft (something Bushkins cannot do--they need a War Democrat to get that done). The result will be that the Dem Party will get torn to shreds, once and for all, then we get Jeb (in '12).

It is not possible to stop the huge peace movement that is going to develop in opposition to the War Democrat--and I wouldn't want to. God forbid! But, I repeat, we MUST REMAIN FOCUSED on the MECHANISMS of power. On the VOTE and how it is counted, above all. And on the NEWS MONOPOLIES. These are the two ways that the War Party is clinging to power, despite tremendous opposition even now (huge, huge disapproval of this war).

There is a REASON that the global corporate predators took control of our election system--with private, rightwing corporations using "trade secret" software to tabulate our votes (software so secret that not even our elected secretaries of state are permitted to review it). It's because our vote--the votes of American citizens--is a potentially VERY POWERFUL force in the world. We can stop war. We can create peace. We can curtail these global corporate pirates who are chartered in our very own states. We are the only people in the world in a position to gain direct power over the main forces of war and exploitation.

That's why they took our right to vote away, and that's why we must get it back. To do that, we need...

Paper ballots hand-counted at the precinct level (--Canada does it in one day, although speed should not even be a consideration, just accuracy and verifiability)

or, at the least

Paper ballot (not "paper trail") backup of all electronic voting, a 10% audit (automatic recount), strict security, and NO SECRET, PROPRIETARY PROGRAMMING CODE! (...jeez!).

Throw Diebold and ES&S election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW!

For more information and action ideas, see the "DU 2004 Election Results and Discussion Forum," at
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203

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With properly counted votes in some states, we will be able to start electing true populists to Congress--and begin making headway on election reform and media reform--and can achieve majority rule in the presidential election by '12 or '16. (I don't think we can do it before that, but who knows? We have 3 years til '08, but there may just be too many corrupt Democrats in the big business of electronic voting to get the needed election reforms by '08. Dems are our biggest obstacle to election reform, because people find it hard to understand how Dems could be so insane as to let Bushite companies get control of the voting machinery.)

We can and will get our democracy back, but it's going to take time. And I'm pretty sure we're going to have to struggle through the administration of a War Party-appointed Democrat before we get there. (Do you think CNN and the L.A. Times would be doing exposes of Bush's war if they didn't have a plan to replace him with someone who can better accomplish the purposes of The Project for a New American Century, in the short run?)

Clinton is an interesting model of sharply contrasting policies--and also of false promises and below-the-radar decisions of catastrophic proportions--of a kind that we are likely to be looking at again, this time with war, and a further squeeze on the poor and middle class to pay for it, as the likely issues. It's important to study the Clinton model, and learn lessons from it, and not just react in a kneejerk fashion, one way or the other. And, most of all, it's important to address the mechanisms of power by which our choices are severely limited and by which our unwanted votes are purged, changed or 'disappeared' into thin air.
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33. Proof, once again, that the ONLY TIME a large number of people are
helped is when the Federal Government gets involved.
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