I just saw on MSNBC where some smug Republican talking head said of Cindy

[Call me Deacon Blues]

"Well, Hillary Clinton hasn't visited her either, has she?"

Besides pissing me off, I realized that she's got a point. Where the hell are you, Hillary? And John? And Barack? And Howard??? Howard, of anybody, I thought you might come. As for both Joes, well, I know better than to think you might stop by.

The day will come when we'll get our country back, and we'll remember what side you were on, and all the pretty words in the world won't make a difference.

[bemildred]

1. You won't see any of the War Democrats down in Crawford. nt

[cthrumatrix]

15. they look worse by being quiet

admit you were deceived OR it means you have sold out and don't give a damn.

[bemildred]

17. That's fine with me. I don't care for any of them. nt

[YDogg]

2. I've wondered that also ...

... but wonder whether the Dem "leadership" figures it's more effective not to turn this into an overtly political event. More may be accomplished if the peace movement grows organically.

[JuniperLea]

You nailed it.

This movement needs to remain in the hand of the people!

And furthermore, I think Cindy should say thanks but no thanks to any such "support".

[Geoff R. Casavant]

There you have it

As soon as someone with higher political visibility than Cindy shows up, she'll be smeared as a pawn. Very wise to let her stand tall on her own.

[OneGrassRoot]

14. I saw a Democratic "strategist".....

on MSNBC in the last day or two, on "Coast to Coast", saying something to that effect. That it's best the leading Dems stay away, so the President and his thugs can't make this into a partisan, political issue - any more than they already have, of course. Keeping the focus on Cindy and those who support her, rather than dragging the partisan politics of Washington into it.

I can't remember her name, but she was one of the strategists for the Kerry campaign. It actually made sense the way she described it.

I guess them staying away also lends credence to the approach of letting them hang themselves, with all their spin and bullshit.

I WOULD, however, like to see elected "leaders" speak out and admit that they were wrong. They don't have to go stand next to Cindy, they don't even have to mention her name....just admit that you were wrong. That would go a longggggggg way with me.

[rodeodance]

24. I think she is right. Dems need to step into the process in Washington-

[emanymton]

3. The Issue Is shrub. Stay Focused, shrub Is The Issue!!!

Bush Lied. People Died. Media Cheered.

[Richard Steele]

4. When did Hillary start a war that killed Cindi's son?

So, no, MSNBC does NOT "have a point".

[William769]

5. Has Cindy asked to meet with them?

Why do some people alway think they know whats best? :eyes:

[goclark]

6. I saw that interview

All in all I think the Democrats came out better than the Rethugs.

Only person even said that even though many Demos voted for the war that was PRE fiding WMD.
Only one Rethug even tried to support the Rethug position.
For Rethugs they were pointing out *'s many faults.

[BootinUp]

7. I think the movement she began actually

has more credibility without the big name politicians jumping on board. The average American is so skeptical about politics, they are actually thinking more about the issue now that a gold star mom is out front.

edited for spelling.

[RandomKoolzip]

25. Good point.....

I bet if Hillary, Kerry, et al. were to visit her, many on-the-fencers would dismiss the protest as "just more politics."

[RSchewe]

29. Your point is probably the bottom line.

People must feel it is more real because of how this is being operated without big name people.

[Pirate Smile]

31. I agree. Bush is always helped by polarizing people. Republicans

generally will just knee-jerk back Bush if a Dem says anything.

Bush is losing support among Republicans because this hasn't been viewed as just a partisan battle.

I think the RW wants to make it partisan but when the major players are Gold Star Families and Iraqi Vets, instead of politicians, it is more damaging to Bush.

[Missy M]

8. I don't believe Cindy has asked to meet with Hillary Clinton...

her issues are with bush.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

9. Who the heck is that MSNBC guy? He allowed that swarmy woman

take over most of the debate and it was very clear that he was working against Cindy.

[BiggJawn]

10. With the exception of Howard, everyone you mentioned is DLC...

Why would Liberal ReTHUGlicans want to have their pictures taken with Cindy?
You'll never see Evan Bayh-uh, I mean "Eyeben Baught" down there, either....

[dogday]

23. I like Howard but I don't think he should of

slammed Ray McGovern for his honest thoughts about this war. Howard goes any further to the center, I won't recognize him anymore. Remember Howard when you used to tell the total truth about things and you wanted to end the war? Don't slam Ray McGovern for telling the truth....

[marylanddem]

11. I agree with you 100%

To me it is sickening that none of the wannabe president hotshot democrats - including our vaunted John Kerry - has given Cindy the time of day. They should be ashamed.

[zalinda]

20. Wait, wasn't a letter sent in support of Cindy

by Kerry and other Dems? I'm sure I read it here at DU.

zalinda

[rodeodance]

27. they can support other than physically showing up in TX which would

create a media circus and in addtion give fuel to the Right.

[MADem]

12. WHO NEEDS THEM?? They DISTRACT!!!

What is needed is what is happening, real people, real voices. The antiwar movement does NOT need politicians to speak for them--they speak FOR THEMSELVES, about THEIR experiences. Politicians, if they want to voice their support, can do it from the HILL, not from Crawford...any trips to TX would only look like an effort at self-aggrandizement, anyway.

Besides, Hillary is a HAWK, fachrissake--the GOP fails to note that when they smear her with the "liberal" brush.

[tanyev]

13. I think Cindy's fight has more legs if it doesn't become

a Democrat vs Republican thing. It's more a we the people vs. his imperial idiocy thing.

[Call me Deacon Blues]

16. Ya'll are right about Dems not going down there, I guess,

But at the very least, they should ought to at least voice their support, don't you think? Or to put it another way, I can support her, you can support her, at what point can (and should) THEY support her?

[rodeodance]

21. I have many on the Right make these kind of statements!!

[dogday]

18. All of the blow hard politicians need to stay at home

they can send supplies or donations if they want for the effort but if someone of their stature arrived, it would not longer be about Cindy or ending the war-it would be about the politician.

Please all Politicians just stay home and donate to the cause...

[1932]

19. I don't think any Democrat who supports MORE US involvement in Iraq

is going to support Sheehan, unless they're patting her on the back with one hand and undermining her with an argument for more troops in Iraq with the other.

[proud2BlibKansan]

22. No they need to stay away

What is happening in Crawford is about ending the war in Iraq. It's not about anyone's re-election campaign. I believe we need to keep Dem politicians away from Cindy Sheehan. Maybe they should be in D.C. on the 24th but they do not belong in Crawford.

On the other hand, I think it would be great if Rep politicians spoke up and criticized her. Especially if they are running for re-election in 2006 :)

[ContraBass Black]

26. Cindy's doing well with cross spectrum appeal.

A prominent visit might not be beneficial overal if the right wing sucessfully latches onto it.

I'm not to worried by the silence. I cried bloody murder when they were silent about Terri Schiavo, but it turned out that they knew what they were doing.

[ComerPerro]

28. How is that even relevant?

[watercolors]

30. No we do not need them

This is Cyndy's fight, she is doing a great job, and it will be a grass roots battle. WE have to take back our country, I hope we all do our best in 2006 at the polls. Keep firing off letters, e-mails and calls to you congress people. Let them know your vote is up for grabs!

[Armstead]

32. Some Democrats should go there -- Some should not

Dennis Kucinish, John Conyers, Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean and other Democrats who opposed this war all along could go with a clear conscience. And it would be a legitimate show of support, rather than partisan posturing.

Hillary, Biden and the others who gave Bish the go-ahead, and continue to advance a "stay the course" position should not.

[liveoaktx]

33. Add Chet Edwards (D) to that-that's his district

[Mizmoon]

34. The repukes would love to see Kerry or Clinton show up

they know how to fight them.

They don't know how to fight Cindy. None of their attacks stick.

[Pepperbelly]

35. If the pols show up, it becomes a Teri Schivo moment for ..

the anti-war movement and that would be a shame. Anyone here who wants to pols to show up ... well ... I question your judgement in a big way.

[Call me Deacon Blues]

36. After reading all the posts, I admit I was wrong

I guess I got kinda aggravated with that smug Repug on MSNBC. Bottom line, let Cindy be Cindy.

[1932]

37. This is a political issue. She wants a meeting with a politician.

Politicians who agree with her should show their support.

[Pepperbelly]

41. no prob ... there is a dif between being wrong and being ...

pissed off by a sanctimonious, double talking gop on corporate tv. Take care!

[Pirate Smile]

42. That is cool. Too frequently we just defend our initial POV instead of

acknowledging that a different viewpoint may have merit.

:toast:

[Karenina]

38. Cindy Sheehan already has at her sides and back

ALL the Rückendeckung she requires. Soldiers from the area, other families who have lost loved ones, citizens who take their responsibility as defenders of the Constitution seriously and a shitload of DUers!!! :patriot:

She's quite able to speak coherently.

However, I'm quite tickled that Reverend Al will be stopping by. I do so LOVE his tongue-lashing skills. :popcorn:

[emulatorloo]

39. Dems should issue statements of support and stay away

as they have.

Rove et all just want a Kerry or Hillary to attack. Cindy is doing great on her own.

[Demonaut]

40. not the point of her protest, she's asking for BUSH

and when are you joining her?