Try and get a job at Dow, 3M or Monsanto with a science degree

[mediaman007]

from Bob Jones University or one of the other "Fundie" colleges. I can't imagine that these "World-Leader" chemical companies would have anything to do with Intelligent Design.

Sooner or later there had to be a collision between "Corporate America" and the "Christian Right."

[unrepuke]

1. (choke) Ya mean my Dr. of Divinity won't shoe me in?

They could take a leap of faith and give me a chance. I bet I can make Napalm as well as any of them.

[wtmusic]

2. I'm sure ID conveniently steps out of the way

when cold, hard cash is on the line. Also, paleontology is not an area of expertise which is required at those companies.

[mediaman007]

4. On the other hand I bet that their researchers need to use the

scientific method!

[Igel]

3. I can't imagine what intelligent design--or evolution, for that matter--

has to do with nucleophilic substitution or polymerization.

The kinds of biological adaption you'd need for dealing with things like hybridization you get from either straight facts (sans theory) or taxonomic issues that can fit nicely into almost any kind of creationism, much less creationism-lite known as ID.

[mediaman007]

5. How about the process known as "scientific method?"

[mike_c]

6. and "critical thinking," or how about "questioning assumptions...?"

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[Maple]

7. It's not just scientific method either

it's an entirely different way of viewing the world...a different mindset.

It goes far beyond just 'believing in God' or going to church occasionally...it's an entire belief system...and incompatible with science. A mental 'parallel universe'

[Igel]

8. We managed to cover the scientific method *and* critical thinking.

Of course, it was in math, chemistry, physics, and (re: critical thinking) even in literature courses. And in biology.

But my biology was only in high school, and evolution was only a week or two of it. Crucial in some fields; irrelevant in others.

Four-year degree in chemistry at a large, state-run college noted at the time for its chemistry program. Somehow evolution only peeked in during the biochem course, and that was only in throw-away lines, not actually the subject of any discussion. Physical chemistry, organic chemistry ... nary a word. Maybe had I continued in more biochemistry or molecular biology it would have come up. I didn't. It didn't.

In other words, you want to sell chemicals, work on polymers, or even build bridges and design computers, you just don't need biological evolution.

The problem would only come in during the presentation of ID, in which students employing the scientific method and critical thinking skills would have a rough go of it. But if they give as much attention to ID as I saw paid to evolution, a quick nap would get them through it.

[greenman3610]

9. I live in Dow Chemical's World headquarters, Midland, MI

and I got to tell you, there are plenty of fundies in this town.

It's disturbing that people with science experience and
degrees go along with this stuff.
I think there's a lot of people who just
show up at church to be seen and meet the
right people. I call it, "Worship for Success".