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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:50 PM
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Tell me some bad things about Russ Feingold.
He sounds way too good to be true. Anything out there that would keep him from being a strong Presidential candidate in 2008?

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Politicians/Russ_Feingold.html

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Q: Why is the DLC dominating?

Feingold: I think it's because the Democratic Party decided that corporatizing was a way to help with fundraising, especially in an era of soft money. It allowed the Democratic Party, in their view, to blunt some of the issues, like trade, that were causing problems with, frankly, the larger moneyed interests. And the ultimate example of that was the coronation of Gore in Los Angeles. That convention was a corporate trade show. It was nothing like the Democratic conventions of the past. So I see the DLC as, to some extent, taking the soul away from the Democratic Party. And I see the DLC as having sold American workers down the river. I oppose GATT, and NAFTA, and all the things Clinton and Gore were for. When we lose our commitment to opposing something as manifestly wrong as the death penalty, I'm very uncomfortable with that.

Q: Can a progressive get the nomination?

Feingold: I think so. What it would require is somebody who had a lot of students and young people involved, traditional progressives, labor people, women. There is a coalition there. I think it can happen. The conventional wisdom is that you'll do well in Iowa and New Hampshire, but then you're going to get it somewhere else. That's not what I felt in North Carolina. That's not what I felt in Texas in Austin. That's not what I felt in Michigan in Ann Arbor. And I know those are the more liberal parts. But let's face it: Those are the places that have a lot of influence in the primaries. So I think it's untrue that a genuinely progressive candidate couldn't win the nomination. It would depend in part on whether labor leaders decided they had to go with the DLC candidate or if they'll fight for their members and go with someone who has a more progressive trade policy.

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Q: You were the lone Senator to oppose the USA Patriot Act. How would you describe Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle's reaction to you?

Feingold: Fairly brutal. I want to thank Tom Daschle on campaign finance reform. He really came around and helped us move it through. I had a reverse experience on the USA Patriot Act. When the original Ashcroft anti-terrorism bill came in, they wanted us to pass it two days later. I thought this thing was going to be greatly improved. They did get rid of a couple of provisions, like looking into educational records. But there were still twelve or thirteen very disturbing things, and I thought, OK, we'll take care of this. But then something happened in the Senate, and I think the Democratic leadership was complicit in this. Suddenly, the bottom fell out. I was told that a unanimous consent agreement was being offered with no amendments and no debate. They asked me to give unanimous consent. I refused. The Majority Leader came to the floor and spoke very sternly to me, in front of his staff and my staff, saying, you can't do this, the whole thing will fall apart. I said, what do you mean it'll fall apart, they want to pass this, too. I said, I refuse to consent. He was on the belligerent side for Tom Daschle. And everybody said they were surprised at his remarks. Reporters thought it was so unlike him. And it is unlike him.

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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:55 PM
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1. He's going through his 2nd divorce
it only really matters to the right wingers because they can use it to smear him.

I really like Russ and I would hate to lose him as my state senator but I'm willing to make the sacrifice for the better good.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:56 PM
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2. he is one of the FEW democrats I would vote for in 2008
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:57 PM
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4. I really like him too
I first found out about him when learing about the "Patriot Act". He was the only one who voted against it. I immediatley liked him after that and have been following him ever since. I wish he was more vocal. If I can't have John Kerry or Al Gore I would like him. :) If he doesn't get the nominee I think he'd be a great VP.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 09:03 PM
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7. Jewish.
That doesn't matter to me, and that doesn't matter to you, but in a close election, in the privacy of a polling booth, a lot of people who are open-minded enough when the pollsters call revert to old habits.

It's how Jesse Helms beat Harvey Gant.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 09:19 PM
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14. Old news. Think Florida voters
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 09:17 PM
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12. As opposed to the ...
...cokesnortingalcoholicinsidertradingsonofabitch

that the repubes ran for the presidency.

Two divorces is only a deal breaker if we allow them to say it is so.
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:57 PM
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3. He fawned over Ashcroft in the confirmation hearings
He was a distant second fiddle to McCain in the campaign finance push - always let Mcain get the better of the time.

This counts, unfortunately - he is a two time loser in marriage.

At times, he looks like soupy Sales - remember him???? Especially when he bobs his head.

I vote for him every time - but I do not think he should go national.

He has cherished the "maverick" image which may not sit well on a broader scale.

I believe he has a pragmatic streak, but he will be portrayed as a winger liberal deservedly or not.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:58 PM
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5. Anybody we put up in 2008
will be seen as a winger liberal. Heck, even Hillary is seen as that and anybody who follows her know that she isn't. She votes party line a lot but that doesn't mean she's a winger libreal in her personal beliefs.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 09:05 PM
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8. We can't let the right define us
They claimed Clinton was a raging liberal - that was far from the truth when it came to what matters most to the republican elite - money!!
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 09:03 PM
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6. He felt the president should be able to pick his own cabinet
Both my mother and I took him to task over this. I thought if he felt this way he should abstain from voting, it's not like the republicans would respond in kind. By voting for asscroft it was a stamp of approval by abstaining he would have sent the message he wanted to send.
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mb7588a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 09:07 PM
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9. Bad? About Russ?
Dream on... Nothing bad about the guy.

He's absolutely NEVER wrong on anything. His brilliance is impeccable.

0. He's the only senator to publicly call for a full withdrawl of U.S. troops by a certain date, December 31, 2006.
1. Voted against the Patriot Act
2. Voted against NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, Fast Track, and Most Favored Nation status for China
3. Voted against the No Child Left Behind Act
4. Coauthored the Bipartisan Campaign Finance Reform Act of 2001 (McCain-Feingold), for which he received the Profile In Courage Award from the JFK Presidential Library. (Feingold's staff did the work - McCain did the talking...)
5. He's a champion of civil rights, fighting against racial profiling
6. He's on the front line of health care reform
7. He's a leading deficit hawk in the U.S. Senate
8. He's not afraid to vote on his convictions, and principles, and does so with immeasurable courage.
8. He has kept his three (later 2 were added) original garage door promises (http://www.russfeingold.org/promiseskept.php ):
--- I will rely on Wisconsin citizens for most of my contributions.
--- I will live in Middleton, Wisconsin. My children will go to school here and I will spend most of my time here in Wisconsin.
--- I will accept no pay raise during my six-year term in office.

--- I will hold a "Listening Session" in each of Wisconsin's 72 counties each year of my six-year term in office.
--- I will hire the majority of my Senate staff from individuals who are from Wisconsin or have Wisconsin backgrounds.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 09:12 PM
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10. He was the only dem to vote against dismissing impeachment charges
..against Clinton. -That's the only negative I know about him (and I do consider it a negative)

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But his maverick ways sometimes frustrates, or outright angers, members of his own party. Many Democrats were appalled by two votes during President Clinton's impeachment trial when Feingold voted against dismissing the case and in favor of allowing witnesses.

"He was the only Democrat to break and vote with Republicans," said David Canon, a political science professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. "That ticked off a lot of Democrats in the state and in the Senate& It definitely solidified that he votes his own mind."

http://www.vote.com/magazine/editorials/editorial3489430.phtml
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mb7588a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 09:18 PM
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13. That's not the same...
...as finding him guilty. They were votes to allow the trial to go ahead.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 09:24 PM
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16. I'm not sure this is a bad thing
better in the long run for the charges to go to "trial" without a conviction - proves that the House had nothing and the whole thing was BS.
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mb7588a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 09:50 PM
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18. Agreed. nt
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 09:12 PM
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11. My freeper granny would say: his name is too jewish
:eyes: she was always about which side of the tracks.....
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 09:24 PM
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15. Sorry, I can't think of anything right now.
I would vote for him in a heartbeat.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 09:31 PM
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17. There are absolutely no skeletons, no embarrassing
relatives (his sister is our local Rabbi). He is always on the side of the average worker and is very smart...plus, he actually reads the bills before voting...whenever here is WI he still spends his time working with Town Hall Meetings, always has...he answers when we write, and I truely believe that he REALLY does care about grassroots society...
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 10:03 PM
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19. He's always replied to me when I write and
not one of those form letters either. He explains what he's doing about my complaint..the torture of prisoners. I like him and will vote for him in the primaries if he runs.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 10:17 PM
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20. he's a flip-flopper
I guarantee you that will be GOP attack on him.

Also, he'll be the "most liberal Senator" according to some study or other.
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 10:17 PM
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21. I send him money.
Other than that I think he is great.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 08:12 AM
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22. So far, so good. Kick for the AM Sunday crowd to see if they have anything
to add.

Thanks, by the way, to those who've already posted. Your comments have been very helpful.
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