Stripes letter: Grim reminder of the future (as per PNAC policies)

[lebkuchen]

Edited to remove brackets found in letter so the words would show up here.

Grim reminder of the future

Information I’ve seen indicates that 89 U.S. soldiers have died in Iraq and Afghanistan so far this month as the four-year anniversary of Sept. 11 approaches, with no sign, or mention, of Osama bin Laden, despite bombings in London, nor does President Bush appear interested in finding him or the anthrax terrorists. Indeed, Bush is busy setting vacation records.

For Americans who’ve noticed the looming cloud over the United States since Bush took office and wonder, “What’s going on?” the blueprint is laid out in the September 2000 document “Project for a New American Century (PNAC): Rebuilding America’s Defenses.” Written by neoconservative government power players from the 1990s whose membership includes Paul Wolfowitz, John Bolton and Lewis “Scooter” Libby (currently under investigation for outing a CIA agent), PNAC’s mission is “to fight and win multiple simultaneous major theater wars,” invade and permanently occupy Iraq and take over its oil industry, and overthrow regimes in the Middle East.

PNAC defines peacekeeping missions as “demanding American political leadership rather than that of the United Nations” an ideology realized in Bolton’s summer recess appointment as U.N. ambassador, and his 750 amendments to de-emphasize poverty in a U.N. document designed to alleviate it.

The PNAC document notes that “the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor.” Or like Sept. 11, which Bush continues to exploit. The 9/11 Commission has determined, however, that Iraq was not responsible for the World Trade Center/Pentagon attacks and that it possessed no weapons of mass destruction.

PNAC predicted America’s “global struggle against violent extremism” could proceed without public interference provided the U.S. casualty rate remains below 30,000 — PNAC’s threshold of public outrage and a grim reminder of what Americans face in Iraq during its next four years of occupation.


http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=125&article=31224

[NMDemDist2]

1. kicked and nominated n/t

[Erika]

2. Corporatism imperialism

Bush's dream.

[KT2000]

3. Kick and nominated ! n/t

[MyDogSpot]

4. For the record, it's 93 US dead in Iraq and Afghanistan as of today

:(

[nashville_brook]

7. our threshold is way lower than 30,000 thanks to people who are

saying enough's enough.

[Lasher]

21. Lyrics to Broadway Musical, 'Hair'

Here's part of the lyrics I remember to a song from the Broadway Musical, 'Hair', which was popular during the '60s & 70s:

"...It's a dirty little war
Three! five! zero! zero!
Take weapons up, and begin to kill..."

Reminds me, many of us were pretty upset at losing 3,500 (or even one) soldiers in the unnecessary Vietnam war.

[nashville_brook]

34. i'm 39, so i was a kid when the war wrapped up -- i cannot fathom

the sense of outrage at the final total casualties given our reaction to <1900.

[teknomanzer]

26. My threshold was reached...

On day f**cking one!

[NVMojo]

37. Me, too! And I had read this godless memo 8 months before we

invaded Iraq ...

[Miss Chybil]

5. If I were a violent person, I'd wish somebody would pull an

"Angels and Demons" plot against the PNACers. If you haven't read the book, it's the pre-quel to "The Davinci Code." It would be nice if things could be so neatly plotted in real life. Although, the PNAC seems to be able to follow their plot line quite well. Just like a novel, the whole thing is absolutely unbelievable.

[jurassicpork]

18. Like a novel...

...anything the government says requires a certain suspension of disbelief, although it's slowly becoming the opposite, which is a growing suspension of belief.

JP
http://jurassicpork.blogspot.com

[wli]

6. PNAC only hints at part of the plot

The flanking of Iran, encirclement of China and Russia, and so on are all ominous signs. I went on at greater length about this elsewhere.

[librarycard]

8. I searched under your name and PNAC on DU

and came up with several hits on the GD board alone.

Can you find your post to which you refer, and repost? I'd like to read it.

[wli]

9. here's a link; let me know if you need a full repost

I abbreviated things in this post also. The link is here.

[librarycard]

27. got it

many thanks!

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. troops ain't stupid and they know

this will only make ruling harder, mark my words on that

[The Backlash Cometh]

11. It's so funny how we can't seem to think out of the box.

If I were a clever enemy of the United States, I would attack it using the one weapon that's plentiful in the U.S.: Not with airplanes, but with American greed and the Capitalist system that feeds it. Somewhere, some foreigner must have figured out that if you promised an American enough money, they would shoot their own mother. So, slowly, they have been infiltrating this country, not by land, not by sea, but by NASDAQ. The plan was simple. Take all restrictions off and then let nature take its course.

Under Republican control, and with the help of conservative Democrats, we have lost every meaningful regulation that prevented corruption and other excesses. If there is punishment, it is so minor that it's not much of a deterrent. We also lost the control of the trade deficits, the debt and the lenders, who own our debt. So, now we're at the mercy of foreign banks, probably owned by foreign countries.

AND, the last nail on the coffin? Outsourcing. We don't have jobs. Except, to fight in the military. When you look at this progression, you can make a case that the unidentified clever enemy of the United States IS the PNAC, because if their fear tactics had worked, our American boys would be running to enlist in such large numbers, that no one would have blinked by the number of jobs that no longer existed in this country.

So, if you really want to find out who has been behind all of this, I suggest you start by looking at the one good clue they left us: airplane stock manipulations on 9/11. That would be a beginning.

[glitch]

19. Second that.

"So, if you really want to find out who has been behind all of this, I suggest you start by looking at the one good clue they left us: airplane stock manipulations on 9/11. That would be a beginning."

[chomskysright]

29. fm INTO THE BUZZSAW: facts need to be in contextual light...as..

when you have facts in isolation you are left with all sorts of question . If you step back, not into paranoia, but into holistic viewing, you will see that PNAC is another point on the graph of consolidating neocon interests which is another name for American imperialism .

great book, Into the Buzzsaw, in particularDennett's chapter: The War on Terror.

[ooglymoogly]

12. kick and nom

[SeanQ]

13. Kick

:scared: It has been a while since I last read through the original PNAC stuff. It's chilling to be reminded just how pre-planned this whole thing is, and just how frightening these people are!

[ontobush]

14. It's not only Bolton's position

This is what I posted on another blog:


There is proof that the Bush administration had planned the Iraq invasion before 9/11. Members of the PNAC wrote a letter to Clinton in 1998 requesting him to take military action against Saddam Hussein. When Clinton wouldn't commit to war, they had to wait until a Republican was in office. Bush is now their puppet. Cheney is the one running the W.H. I say that because he is one of the founders of the PNAC. Other supporters are from the Reagan and Bush41 presidencies.

The members that signed the letter were:

Elliott Abrams, Richard L. Armitage, William J. Bennett, Jeffrey Bergner, John Bolton, Paula Dobriansky, Francis Fukuyama, Robert Kagan, Zalmay Khalilzad, William Kristol, Richard Perle, Peter W. Rodman, Donald Rumsfeld, William Schneider, Jr. Vin Weber, Paul Wolfowitz, R. James Woolsey, Robert B. Zoellick

You can see that many of the members of this group either still are, or were, members of this administration. You can find the other members here. Where you can see that this war was planned well before 9/11 is, of course, the letter written to Clinton <b>and</b> that previous and current members have been carefully positioned to carry out the PNAC agenda:

1. Co-founder Cheney as Vice President. Who I think will run for president in '08 and, if elected, will continue with the PNAC agenda.

2. Rumsfeld is the Sec. of Defense and pushed for this war.

3. Paul Wolfowitz, who wrote the Bush Doctrine, which calls for pre-emptive war, was U.S. Deputy Sec. of Defense, and is NOW World Bank President.

4. John Bolton, who we all know is the controversial nominee and NOW recess appointed Ambassador to the U.N.

With those members positioned the way Cheney has them, it is obvious that he and key members of this administration want world domination militarily, economically, and strategically.

Militarily: Iraq invasion and military bases built there.

Economically: Wolfowitz as World Bank president.

Strategically: Bolton controlling the actions of the U.N.

None of those above would be able to do what they were appointed to without the war in Iraq. That is why Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al misled and, in some cases, lied to Congress and the American pubic to win the votes and public support to go to war. The first two excuses given, changing when each one was proven false after the war began, and finally settled on 'spreading democracy', as to why we are in this war in Iraq, is proof to anyone with any amount of common sense that this war was based on the lies of the PNAC to carry out their neo-con agenda.

With the letter to Clinton in 1998 and the agenda of the PNAC PRE 9/11 almost matching exactly what is going on now, this is PROOF that:

Bush and other members of this administration should be impeached for violation of the House Joint Resolution Authorizing Use of Force Against Iraq, October 10, 2002 which was made specifically subject to the War Powers Resolution of 1973.

Also, Bush consciously and deliberately conspired to violate international law, Article VI Clause 2 of the United States Constitution and treaties under authority of the United States and in furtherance of such plan violated Chapter 1, Article 2 of the United Nations Charter and Principal VI of the Nuremberg Charter without evidence.

[lebkuchen]

25. good read

I appreciate the info.

[ontobush]

48. You bet lebkuchen

Keep the fight going. We need to take back Washington.

[FreedomAngel82]

43. Good post and so true

I also have to wonder if Cheney really will run for president. I've learned with these people EVERYTHING they say is backwards. And they think they're being smart by saying Cheney won't run and so they can make a "surprise" attack on us and everything. If Cheney doesn't run they will just have another puppet like Bush to continue the plans. Originally Bush wanted Hagel to be his VP, but top GOP officials said Cheney and it became Cheney. Anybody know who the top GOP officials are and who they are in connections where it concerns 2008? Anybody they've been really hanging around? I think McCain is definitley whoring around again for the GOP officials to show how he truly is loyal to the party and the plans even though he every once in a while does something to appear moderate to the general public who aren't political junkies like myself. I'm sure if Cheney doesn't run he'll still be making a lot of money on behalf of Halliburton and everything. The PNAC plans will still go on. Maybe not so obvious.

[ontobush]

47. Thinking about it more

I'm beginning to think that JEB will be the nominee. Afterall, he's a member of the PNAC. Also, the 'Bush' name will work wonders for the bushbots. I also think now that Cheney would like to be in the position to run things better from the backseat because of how well it worked the first Bush term and still in the beginning of Bush's second. Maybe stay on as the JEB's VP choice.

Interesting question about the top GOP officials who make those decisions. I'm going to look into that and see if I can find out. I use to have respect for McCain before he let bush smear him in 2000. Then you saw him out beating the drum for Bush in last years campaign. It was sickening. From him still in support of Bush after all that, it seems that he would make another good puppet. But I now think it will be JEB as the nominee.

But we have over three years to expose the imperialistic agenda of the PNAC. If we can do that, it will leave an ugly mark on Republicans that won't go away for a long time and we can take back Washington.

[ArthurRuger]

15. "per PNAC policies"

Which appear as adopted by the U.S. Government in Bush's new foreign policy published early in his first term.

[jurassicpork]

16. Is the PNAC mission the same

as that recently resurfaced State Dept. document from 10/01, the one that called for us to invade and occupy five ME countries in three years? I cannot find a link to that State Dept. document and if someone could provide me with one for my next blog posting, I'd really appreciate it. I can't find that document anywhere on the 'Net.

JP
http://jurassicpork.blogspot.com

[ArthurRuger]

22. "Is the PNAC mission the same"

I made a hard-copy a few months ago and put it in a box somewhere. If you haven't found a url, get back to me and I'll see if I still have it because I believe the url shows at the bottom of the pages.

[lebkuchen]

24. Not sure. Would like to find out

"We're reinforcing failure by sending more men into the quicksand to rescue the ones already caught."

Well put.

[jurassicpork]

31. Oh! a fan!

Thanks for the kind words about my quote. For anyone's amusement(or bemusement), my next Assclowns of the Week edition is up.

JP
http://jurassicpork.blogspot.com/

[lebkuchen]

39. You're a good writer.

I'll check out your next edition.

[Solly Mack]

17. excellent!

[pauldp]

20. "provided the U.S. casualty rate remains below 30,000"

How the fuck did they come up with that formula? Is that based on the public reaction to Vietnam or some anthropological study or did they just pull that out of their asses?

It doesn't matter to them that over 100,000 Iraqis have been killed in this war. We could kill MILLIONS of people in the Middle East and Central Asia before we reach 30,000 American casualties.

And people still say it is beyond the pale to consider the possibility that they would allow 3,000 Ameicans to die in a terrorist attack that could launch their whole agenda.

[Lasher]

23. Their Agenda

I believe there is a strong possibility that these neocons intentionally allowed the 9/11 attacks. As such, it would have been part of their agenda, more than it would have been an act of launching it: "...another Pearl Harbor..." is specifically mentioned in the PNAC plan.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

28. Yup, LIHOP...

"Let It Happen On Purpose" -- I don't think there are many here on the board from the 9/11 time who don't believe in LIHOP. In fact, I'd say there was a very good number who believe in MIHOP - "Made It Happen On Purpose".

Because of the very reason you stated -- the badly needed Pearl harbor-like event --I believe in LIHOP. But, I will concede, that there is enough circumstancial evidence to point to MIHOP, though to make that leap, I personally need a bit more hard evidence.

Something like who was involved with the above mentioned United/American stock action. Who did that and who are they connected to, that's the type of hard evidence I want in hand.

[pauldp]

30. How's this for a smoking gun?

http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?art_id=1454238160

THE DIRECTOR GENERAL OF PAKISTANI INTELLIGENCE requests $100,000 to be sent to lead Hijacker Atta just prior to 911 and the 911 Commission DOES NOT EVEN MENTION IT IN THEIR REPORT!!

So Pakistan pays for 911 and we fucking invade Iraq! Figure that one out!

[Lasher]

32. Information to support LIHOP...

(IMHO) has been in the news lately. But true to form, the corporate media is blaming the CIA almost exclusively. Dubya and company will not survive, once we win at least the Senate next year, and therefore the very first daylight shall have been shed on the ADMINISTRATION'S role in all this.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/26/terror/main797251.shtml

[FreedomAngel82]

45. If you haven't

you should read Al Franken's book: Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them. In one chapter he talks about Operation Ignore which is where the whole Bush teams ignores Richard Clarke and memo's. They apparently had a few memo's and they met with Clarke once and he talked about his plans and they were all very impressed so they were going to set up meetings to talk about the meeting (:shrug:) but they never got back to them. He kept trying to talk to different people, including Ashcroft, but everybody ignored him. I guess they weren't that impressed after all eh?

[FreedomAngel82]

44. That's a disgusting line pure and simple

And Bush dares to call himself a Christian and to worship the Prince of Peace. Ugh. They don't care about anybody. As someone said on Stephanie Miller's show about two weeks ago: these are children, not numbers!

[ray of light]

33. Did you notice this letter?

A message to Jane
It is hilarious that the Vietnam-era traitor Jane Fonda plans to tour the country protesting the war in Iraq (“Fonda to protest against Iraq war during bus tour,” Associated Press article, July 27).

I’d like Jane to witness Iraqi women demonstrating for their right to participate in the drafting of the Iraqi constitution. She could park her eco-van in front of a local Iraqi father whose four young children were murdered by insurgents, or visit the families of Iraqi soldiers who died fighting for a free Iraq.

She should witness headless bodies of children floating in the Tigris River and view pictures of mass graves, one showing a child-size skeleton still clinging to its mother’s leg. She should protest in front of families clawing at these graves with bare hands, tears streaming down their weathered cheeks. Tell any of these people that this war is wrong.

The popular phrase, “I support the troops and thus I am against the war,” is a slap in the face. It trivializes what we do and suggests that we are victims. We are not victims! It is imperative that these terrorists die quickly, and the troops here are ensuring that happens. We are proudly serving our country and protecting our families.

Jane, your smile would get you nowhere with these terrorists. They would call you an infidel, rape and then brutally murder you. They aim to do the same to our families. With God’s help, we are the brick wall stopping them. As you relive your Vietnam days, take one second to think about the Iraqi families who have suffered so horribly, and understand that there are men and women daily risking their lives to ensure this does not happen to you or your family.

Capt. Rachel Enicks
Camp Victory, Iraq

Poor Rachel hasn't heard the news: they're not fighting terrorists. They're just killing for oil.

[lebkuchen]

40. Remarkable how easily people can be fooled, and for so long

especially when their own lives are in danger.

[leftchick]

35. This is excellent!

and Wonderful to see it in estripes!

:woohoo:

[NVMojo]

36. the fact that this website is still up, flashing its contents at us like

perverts do, speaks volumes about the arrogance of this world domination group....

[sans-culotte]

38. PNAC's Threshold

Didn't take into account Cindy Sheehan that's for sure.

PNAC is so f'n scary.
The more you know...
No wonder bin Laden attacked us.

What are you supposed to do against a country that got taken over in a fraudulent election by a bunch of thugs who had been publicly putting out their plans to use offensive military force to invade and control your homeland for your oil.

They openly were hellbent on maintaining the US hegemon throughout the next century, with no regard to anyone else.

Hell, they invited a terrorist attack because thay figured it would allow them to get away with anything. Sadly, it's worked so far, but the tide seems to be beginning to turn.

I sure hope so, for all the world's sake.

[oasis]

41. JohnBolton, Scooter Libby and the rest of the PNAC thugs continue to

go unmolested by the corporate media.

They are the architechs of Bush's war.

[FreedomAngel82]

42. And people don't seem

to care that BinLaden is still out there (unless you already care of course). And Bush is never questioned about this either. It's like a magic trick and that BinLaden is no longer responsible for 9/11. He was blamed in the beginning and now he's never mentioned. That is if you believe the official story in the first place. I'm always worried that Bush will do another attack since things are going his way and his raitings are super low.

[Hubert Flottz]

46. Great Letter...

Injecting things like the PNAC story into some narrow military minds, might do a world of good.

Check out a few of these goodies on this web-page. It nails down about every low down criminal thing Bushco did in Bush's first six months in the White House. I was looking for the story about Bush stopping the FBI from investigating the Saudis, about midsummer of 01. I thought at the time, that Bush was just protecting his dad's business partners in Saudi Arabia, but it my have been a far more evil act than just that. The Taliban meeting with the Bush Klan in Texas in 1999 or 2000 is really strange also.

If you take your time and study the timeline on the web-page, Bush's suppression of the FBI investigation of the Saudis may be there somewhere, but I didn't find it. I will warn you...that reading through the Repigs dirty deeds the first six months of Bush's first four years, WILL piss you off.


BU$H'S HOUSE OF HORRORS

Bush drafts executive order transferring control of terrorism from Justice to Dick Cheney and FEMA. Will the definition of 'terrorist' be broadened until we become a nation of suspects? And how easy will it be to declare "police states" ? 5/4/2001

Bush sends $43 million dollars to the Taliban of Afghanistan. Remember them? They're blowing up Buddhas, stockpiling opium, making religious minorities wear yellow garb , hanging women, and hordes of other human rights atrocities. Good decision, Shrub. 5/23/2001

Duck and Cover ! The Bush administration has asked U.S. nuclear weapons scientists to find out how quickly they could restart nuclear test explosions under the Nevada desert if the government decides to end a nine-year moratorium. (the inquiry reportedly came from Cheney and Rumsfeld) 6/28/2001

Follow this if you can: First Bush sends $45 million to the Taliban. Then, after Osama bin-Laden threatens his life, he re-signs an Executive Order (first issued by Clinton) to block property and prohibit transactions with the Taliban because they offer Bin-Laden a 'safe haven'. 7/2/2001

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