Not ONE SINGLE PERSON should have been left in New Orleans!!!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

And for the VACATIONING IDIOT to NOT send in other State National Guard to help get EVERYONE out is nothing short of a fucking CRIME! Did you see the line around the Dome???!!! OMG! He had DAYS OF WARNING to get those people OUT. He's a fucking SOB and I detest the very ground he walks on and he's a waste of perfectly good oxygen!

Those people! Those poor people. My g-d. They're like sitting ducks just waiting to be killed. My heart's tearing in 2 for them! I wish I could take some of them in. If I lived closer, in a safe area, that's exactly what I would have done. How can people just sit and watch those people face this thing? It makes me sick. Sick to my stomach and sick in my heart. :cry: I feel so helpless.:cry:

I pray they make it.

[acmavm]

Yeah, that's EXACTLY what I wanted to know myself. But the thread

got locked.

[cally]

1. I know

I just don't understand how we can't get everyone out. I wish I could help but the moran could do something and he just takes a vacation.

I'm praying hard. :cry:

[Arkansas Democrat]

2. I am praying with you!

I don't mean to keep bringing this up but those folks over at ChronWatch don't even have ONE SINGLE THREAD concerning the hurricane in New Orleans!

I thought THEY were supposed to represent the "Christians" in America????

Not ONE SINGLE THREAD!!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. They're all fucking hypocrites.

They don't give a damn about those poor people in NO. :grr:

[barbaraann]

3. I could not agree more.

But they are going to blame the victims. I see it starting already.

[undergroundpanther]

10. Don't let THEM

Blame all the rich corporate pigs .The greedy rethug people who don't want to fund public transportation or disaster relief ..Blame insurance Companies making money off this blame the conmpanies that profit from your anguish and misforture, blame the scardy SUV pigs that drive out with one person THEM and thier "possessions",Blame the culture that hates the weak poor disabled..Blame the Who gets the most gets more culture,Blame pienny pinching social darwinist republicans and blame mr.vacation BUSH.

[barbaraann]

15. and the Reagan Revolution

n/t

[BrklynLiberal]

29. Reagan WAS the initiating step in this disaster!!!

[undergroundpanther]

4. Me too

But the national guard is over in Iraq fighting over lies.They aren't here..

Bush wants POOR and lesser class citizens to die ..What homeless guy or family(the poorest ) has the means to get out? This is claassest,who lives and who dies,it's called a culling.The fucking sociopaths dominating us know we will not tolerate thier greed forever as life gets harder,so Bush thinks it's OK to kill off people less resistance to them when we go back to the system these pigs like best,Theocracy,divine right of kings, fascism/fuedalism.

[JimmyJazz]

5. Those people must be so frightened.

I am praying for them. :(

Bush is a total fucknut who doesn't have a clue what it means to be a leader.

[ladjf]

6. There are thousands of civilian and military helicopters within

range of New Orleans. They should be lifting people out now. Yet, only after the disaster strikes will you see fleets of rescue helicopters. Please government, take care of our people like you are supposed to. Fu.. Iraq. Save our people.

[MadisonProgressive]

7. What national guard - they're all in Iraq

The Faux news people just said, after looking at all the people standing outside "there are going to be alot of dead bodies here tomorrow" or something to that effect.

All flights have apparently been cancelled too.

[katinmn]

31. Leave it to Fox to show compassion for others.

They are such frickin' idiots!

[SouthernDem2004]

8. Er the Prez does not deploy the Guard in a state. Governor does.

The Guard is controlled by the state in these instances. The governor decides when to deploy and when not to.

[OKNancy]

12. True, but the governor already

mentioned earlier in a press conference that there were no National Guard troops to help, " They are all in Iraq", she said.

[SouthernDem2004]

24. 1,500 are already on standby and several thousand are in reserve.

Watching the NO news now. :)

[Carni]

79. I heard the same thing eom

[acmavm]

14. Well, LA's gov is gonna have a hell of a hard time getting those guys back

from Iraq to help clean up Louisiana and try to put the pieces back together.

edit: lost my mind for a second there.

[SouthernDem2004]

22. Still enough stateside to do the job.

[AuntPatsy]

28. Aren't you the one who stated on another thread that there are plenty of

shelters available and free transportation to them? I guess it hasn't dawned on you that any shelters inside NO's can ultimately find themselves under twenty feet of water or more if the reports are accurate?

I wonder if you yourself would find these so called shelters to be comforting enough to assure you will not perish?

[SouthernDem2004]

42. The shelters are in safe zones....

I am watching the NO news now....

[AuntPatsy]

55. Umm okay, I see, in a category five hurricane, and with an estimated

wall of water to be near or over twenty feet entering the city, I can surely see how there will be safe zones in NO come the morning..

Sure.

[mountainvue]

63. They're unsure if the Superdome can handle this. n/t

[SouthernDem2004]

43. The shelters are in safe zones....

I am watching the NO news now....

[mountainvue]

64. So am I. And they are unsure that they can

withstand this storm.

[RC]

80. The NO News...

So what else is New? The so called News has been for ratings for years anyway. Not much real News anymore.

[katinmn]

39. Oh really? Funny they aren't being called out then

I also just heard that the dome would not hold all the people that were hoping to get in.

[SouthernDem2004]

47. 1,500 have been. Thats all they decided they needed so far.

[katinmn]

Is that on the NOLA news channel?

[SouthernDem2004]

51. Yep, Channel 6 on my cable. :)

[katinmn]

56. "Channel 6" Wow! That's helpful!

:rofl:

[SouthernDem2004]

58. It is for about 5 Duers. :)

[RC]

81. NOLA?

No Obnoxious Legitimate Acknowledgments news channel?

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. Then he should have called every fucking Governor, in every fucking state

and 'encouraged' them to help evacuate people! BUT HE'S TOO DAMN BUSY VACATIONING AND AVOIDING A GRIEVING MOTHER OF OF DEAD SOLDIER THAT HE SENT INTO A WAR BASED ON LIES!:grr: I hate that bastard.

[katinmn]

45. GWB=Failure

[AuntPatsy]

23. Er, how can you deploy someone who is not available...

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. Not ALL the units are gone, just a majority.

There has to be some who could have helped do SOMETHING, right?

[AuntPatsy]

30. Yes which makes you wonder why the order has not come down.

[katinmn]

Er, the president can pull rank on governors. (Iraq ring a bell?)

[SouthernDem2004]

49. I said, "In a state." Governors declare a state of emergency which

allows them to deploy the Guard which is what has happened in La and MS.

[katinmn]

54. And I said the Pres can mobilize the Guard which he has already

done as all the world knows.

[SouthernDem2004]

57. Ok, unrelated to my OP or the topic but yes, we all know the Prez

mobilizes the Guard for military purposes. Not related but ok.

[nonconformist]

40. Er the Prez is the one that deployed the Guard to Iraq. nt

[katinmn]

41. LOL, we posted the same thing at the same time.

High fives. You one smart cookie. :)

[nonconformist]

44. Tee hee! Great minds... nt

[SouthernDem2004]

50. Check out my reply to the first. :)

[tamtam]

9. Did you see the idiot

Did you see the idiot on CNN. He is urging people to get out. Well that is all fine and good but some people cannot get out. This man makes me sick and when I saw those people my heart dropped. I don't know, I don't what is going to happen to these people but I pray for them. My god I hope this doesn't get as bad as they say.

[stray cat]

13. Does that include dragging people out by gunpoint?

I agree that anyone who wanted to get out should be helped to do so. However the intensity and direction of the storm was shocking to me this morning eventhough I was watching things closely last night. However,what about people who want to stay put - do they have the civil right?

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. Of course they do. Look at all the people who WANTED to leave

but didn't have the money or anywhere to go. This is a damn crime and the idiot should pay dearly for what's about to happen. :grr:

[liberalnurse]

17. The invalids are in jeopardy.

The infirmed, the mentally handicap and poor too. What about the nursing home residents? Let us not forget the jail inmates!There is no time to evacuate successfully.....in a safe fashion. We won't hear of all the dying....

[in_cog_ni_to]

21. It's unfathomable to me that

those people are just being left there. :cry: It's heartbreaking. :cry:

[katinmn]

59. Yep. There is NO excuse. Not in a country with the resources

we have. Or had. Except now all the resources are in the hands of a few.

This is beginning to look and feel like a 3rd World/Developing country.

[MadisonProgressive]

18. One of the unsettling things, among many

is that the Superdome will be packed and no one really knows if it can withstand a direct hit by a cat 5 hurricane.

God help these people!

[MadisonProgressive]

20. They are also saying that this could be like an atomic bomb

ALL WOODEN BUILDINGS will be destroyed. Skyscrapers will sway to the breaking point. This is a disaster of epic proportions!

[in_cog_ni_to]

25. OMG, OMG, OMG. I'm just sick.

This is NOT going to have a happy ending.

[mountainvue]

32. True. Those high rise hotels may not be able to

withstand the winds either. Hopefully they can get everyone inside soon.

[in_cog_ni_to]

48. I hope the hotels have evacuated?

Have they?

[mountainvue]

61. No. That's where they're keeping the stranded travelers. n/t

[Boomer]

77. No, they haven't

There are tourists who arrived in town and then couldn't get out. Plane flights were overbooked, then canceled. No rental cars available. They have no choice but to go to hotels, stake out a room on high floor, and pray.

[etherealtruth]

33. That is the scary thought that ...

... has been going through my head all day.

[wli]

27. all part of Bushler's plot to kill more brown people & Democrats n/t

[Hardrada]

36. Ah yes, those brown people.

Didn't he call then that in one of the debates? A tell-tale sign of his "mentality."

[Pithy Cherub]

34. Our emergency preparedness is a national disgrace

if Bush is unable to bring massive resources to bear at a time of crisis like this. This too shall lie at his feet especially if he could have used resources from Texas or elsewhere in advance of this disaster. I am deeply shamed that so many of OUR citizens are begging just to get inside a building that may not make it through the Hurricane.

[Silverhair]

35. Impossible to get everybody out.

Leave no one behind sounds nice, but can't be done. I lived in New Orleans. The city is COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY WATER. All escape routes are over miles of water. There are only about 24 to 30 TOTAL available lanes. In the amount of warning time that a hurricane gives, you simply can't get 300,000 people out.

[countingbluecars]

37. But isn't it a shame

that the poor are the ones left behind?

[in_cog_ni_to]

46. It's criminal. n/t

[Silverhair]

62. Anger is NOT a substitue for reason.

If it is criminal, who do you charge? We make ourselves sound silly if we try to blame any politician. Sometimes Mom Nature pitches a fit.

To evacuate a city that size, in that kind of location, you would have to have started a week in advance, before the hurricane was even born.

[in_cog_ni_to]

65. The point IS...HE DID JACK SHIT

because he was too damn busy vacationing. :gr: He COULD HAVE sent in helicopters and at least made an damn EFFORT to help. He did NOTHING. Bastard.

[countingbluecars]

68. Right. I thought with all this

Homeland Security stuff we were becoming more able to deal with national emergencies. Granted this one is a natural disaster, not a terrorist attack, but shouldn't the national government be helping to get people out of harm's way?

[Silverhair]

70. How?

There isn't a damn thing the nat'l gov't can do. For right now this has to be a local show.

[in_cog_ni_to]

73. He could have sent in helicopters this morning? Last night?

when it was OBVIOUS that Katrina was going to be HUGE and hit NO. Instead, the bastard just sat his useless ass in Crawford and vacationed. He's a damn criminal...there's no way around it.

[Silverhair]

69. Helicopters? Bad idea.

If he did that, as soon as the storm was over you would be screaming about how stupid he was to let the copters get destroyed.

Look, I am NOT defending Bush. But we make ourselves look silly if we try to blame him for acts of nature. Blame Bush for this to a moderate and the next time you are talking to him about something that Bush really did, he will roll his eyes at you. You will have lost credibility.

Why copters would be a bad idea. You are going to need them desperately after the storm for rescue work. But to save them you have to evacuate the copters to a safe area. Just putting them in a hangar won't do, not against a CAT 5 hurricane.

The Nat'l Guard would be useless. You only have 24 to 30 TOTAL lanes available. Are they suddenly going to build an extra 50 lanes - over water? Can they even build one lane over a 26 mile wide lake??? All you would accomplish would be to send your guard units into an impossible situation and get them killed. Then they would not be available for rescue work after the storm.

[countingbluecars]

72. What about buses?

When the evacuation started why didn't they load up every available school bus/city bus and get some of those poor people out of there?

[in_cog_ni_to]

74. That's right. At least it would have saved some lives.

At least he would have been doing SOMETHING. He just doesn't give a shit.

[Silverhair]

78. Look at the traffic congestion.

Traffic is moving at 3mph. The traffic jams started early. So all that plan gains is lots of people in busses when the storm hits. Being in a bus on a causeway is NOT a good way to survive a CAT 5 hurricane.

The problem is NOT a lack of vehicles. The problem is a lack of routes out.

[in_cog_ni_to]

75. I wouldn't have said crap about losing helicopters.

He had more than enough time to get help in there and get more people out. Pilots know when not to fly. They know when the storm's too strong. He didn't do a damn thing to help. His compassionate conservativeness leave a LOT to be desired. :grr:

[Silverhair]

76. Copters have to be evacuated ahead of time too.

Otherwise you don't have them available for rescue work.

It isn't just a matter of not flying in the storm. You have to have them way away from the storm track, or lose them.

[knitter4democracy]

66. Even with National Guard help?

I can understand with the city's resources and people's resources being what they are, total evac isn't possible, but if they'd had all their National Guard troops and all their trucks, planes, and stuff, it's still impossible? That doesn't sound right.

I know they've always planned on many casualties for bombs and stuff, but this one has had plenty of warning. It's not the seventeen minutes of an ICBM--it's just over a day's worth of warning time. Surely it's possible to get everyone out.

[Silverhair]

67. Total of about 24 to 30 traffic lanes available.

New Orleans is SURROUNDED by water. All routes out go over very long bridges, or through swamps.

There is absolutely no way to get everyone out.

[redacted]

38. Not ONE SINGLE PET should be left either. See link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4485360

Here's a brief summary:

The Louisiana SPCA has evacuated twenty-five dogs that are being held pending court cases and are on their way to Baton Rouge Animal Control to ride out Hurricane Katrina. Approximately 250 animals, strays and adoptables, will be moved to the Houston SPCA this evening in two 16’ climate-controlled trucks.

This is obviously a very intense undertaking for the shelter amd the shelter itself is said to flood extremely easily and will likely sustain major damage.

Please donate whatever you can - even if only a dollar or two - to help their evacuation expenses and also the extra expenses they will have after the storm, as they will surely be inundated with misplaced, lost, and abandoned animals.

Donation page:
http://www.la-spca.org/forms/donations.htm

For an idea of how serious this situation is, here is LIVE VIDEO COVERAGE from WDSU NBC 6 in New Orleans:

http://www.wdsu.com/index.html?refresh=1200
In left column, look for heading: "Live Video WDSU WeatherPlus"

or try:
http://www.wdsu.com/video/4782824/detail.html

[jimshoes]

53. I've been listenin/watching

the feed from wdsu they are talking about the amount of damage they expect among other things. Good coverage of the storm related events.

[Carni]

52. May he rot in hell

Then prosecuted for the murders of whatever the count will be after tomorrow (that would be on top of the murders that occurred via his actions before and on 911 not to mention his illegal invasion of another country/ the troop deaths etc)

[in_cog_ni_to]

60. Ditto! Get his ASS out of office and into prison!

He's a menace to the WORLD!

[elehhhhna]

71. The People of New Orleans VOLUNTEERED to live there.

See? The bullshit dead-americans excuse works for almost any disaster.