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theshadow Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:42 PM
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Has anyone considered how the lack of preparedness....
.... in New Orleans exposes how unprepared local, state, and federal governments must be for terrorist attacks? This is in "hurricane country", with an urban area positioned below sea level, protected by levees that are useless if the storm surge exceeds 12'. There was 2-3 days warning, which if there had been a plan in place would have been enough time. Yet the city's biggest shelter- the Superdome- will operate without food, water, and possibly without sanitation and electricity.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:43 PM
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1. Not only that
This is an event that they knew would happen someday.
It wasn't unforeseen.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:46 PM
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2. I'd like to know why they can't get/couldn't get water at least
brought to this facility. This seems unfathomable. Shows to me there was poor planning if ANY.
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:51 PM
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8. They should have called the Camp Casey Organizers
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:55 PM
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13. They should have seen to this, NO MATTER WHAT. Damn.....
is everyone in charge of things COMPLETELY incompetent? Holy crap.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:54 PM
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12. Because according to the Homeland Security guy
they aren't there to feed people, they are there to try to keep them alive.
Ya gotta have priorities...you know?:sarcasm:
This is what you get when you outsource vital city services to corporations.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:58 PM
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15. Privatization. IEM.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4480507

Part of keeping people alive is providing them with drinking water.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:58 PM
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16. and yet food is neccessary for survival.
I want to know why the shelters don't have large quantities of MRE's for the thousands of soon to be homeless people.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 07:01 PM
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17. Because they didn't designate it as an official shelter
Since they don't know if it will stand or not.
It is a shelter of last resort.
I don't think it is an accident that they are using that phraseology.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:47 PM
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3. Don't worry, Unka Dick is gonna keep us safe with his Total
Information Awareness bullsh*t and his bunker, and his wargames on 911, and his arm twisting at the CIA, and so it goes. Why haven't these criminals been indicted for the safety of America I just cannot fathom.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:48 PM
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4. Nobody plans for anything unless there is lots of money to be made
by corporate/defense interests. Otherwise, it's "What...me worry?"
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12345 Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:48 PM
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5. great point
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rbjensen Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:49 PM
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6. I live on the gulf coast
and all our evacuations run smoothly. I think that what has happened here is that N.O. is just in an untenable situation and they simply had to hope it never happened. The city geography is so unnatural because of the levees and all. If there are really 100K left in the town, how many realistically could school busses, metro busses and the army be able to relocate? That kind of effort couldn't be started until the warnings went up. If they moved those folks out too early, they would never hear the end of it, and you'd have the cry wolf syndrome.

I think they are just between a damned big rock and a very hard place.
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rbjensen Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:50 PM
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7. And I forgot to add
that regardless of all that I think the super dome was a very risky idea.
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theshadow Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:54 PM
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11. And let me add that I'm not trying to armchair quarterback...
...what the locals are doing. You're right, NO is behind the eight-ball due to the geography. It's tough to prepare for the 100 year event.... but with so much at stake, it would have been worth it.
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rbjensen Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 07:03 PM
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18. You're right.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:51 PM
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9. Anybody have figures for what percentage of LA's Guard might be away
in the pointless morass of the Iraq invasion? The Guard can't do their job while held hostage by Cheney's profiteering pals.

Every governor in the nation should be howling for Rumsfeld's head because he took their Guard to a war that did not need to happen. They should take a cue for Montana's governor and be proactive about insisting the Guard units are returned to their home states to do the job they are intended to do before commonly occuring disasters happen again.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 07:11 PM
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19. I read that 3,000 had been sent to Iraq
and their equipment. I don't have a source for that, and I don't know what percent that would be.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 07:19 PM
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21. Thanks NYC. Damn, 3000 people and their equipment not there to help
Time to hit the keyboards with LTTE and nasty-grams to the WH and Rumsfeld.
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tech3149 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:52 PM
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10. See these threads
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:56 PM
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14. Yes.
I thought about this a lot today.
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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 07:17 PM
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20. I think the fact that most of those who are unable
to get out are mostly people of color... says a lot about NO. The tele is showing the long lines. Not too many white faces. The subliminal message these shots are giving out is pretty powerful.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 08:01 PM
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22. yep... LIHOP ethnic cleansing, right up Republicans' alley n/t
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