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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 08:31 PM
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Will Katrina cause the Mississippi to change course?
For those that don't know, the lower Mississippi changes course about ever 400 years. At the time New Orleans was settled the river had just changed it's course. Now it is trying to change again and take a more direct, more southerly, route to the Gulf. The "Old River Control Structure"was built by the Corps of Engineers to stop that from happening.

When I was living in New Orleans in the late 70's the Engineers were warning that the structure had been weakened, could not be repaired, and that the Mississipppi would one day break free of the structure and take a new course, leaving New Orleans. They warned that the triggering event would likely be a really big flood.

I did some googling to see what I could find, but all I came up with on a short search said nothing about that.

Does anybody know much about this topic? If so, could Katrina cause the Mississippi to change course?
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 08:34 PM
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1. The control structure would have to break apart in the storm
Edited on Sun Aug-28-05 08:35 PM by Selatius
It's sort of like a dam. Once it goes, there's nothing that could contain that power. The Atchafalaya Basin sits lower now than the Mississippi River Basin. Water wants to flow down to the lowest point. One day, mother nature will win, and the Mississippi River will no longer flow by New Orleans.

Against mother nature there is no victory.
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DuckBurp Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:01 PM
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11. The control structure is north of Baton Rouge
It doesn't seem that any storm surge from a huricane could go up the Mississippi River far enough north to affect it.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:06 PM
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12. No, one hurricane might not do it, but time certainly could
The River wants to go down the Atchafalaya Basin, not the Mississippi Basin. It can't be held back forever, and it will break free in due time.
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markus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 08:36 PM
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2. That would likely require such a catrastrophic backflow of the river
there's be nobody left downstream to care.

Someday, the Old River Control Structure will go. But I don't think this is it.

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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 08:46 PM
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7. It wouldn't take much
The Mississippi has -south of St Louis- a very shallow catch basin.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 08:39 PM
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3. If I were a Fox News anchor....
...my "first thought" would be checking real estate values around Morgan City. They might be on the rise if Katrina pulls a "worst case" on NO.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 08:43 PM
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6. Here's an example of Fox
talking about the hurricane earlier today.....this was taken off of another discussion board...(I have no idea who bastardi is)

Listening to Fox News...Shephard Smith on Bourbon St...stupid...at a bar that he said was packed full of people partying..stupid.

can they really not care/ignore/think nothing will happen?

Oh my bastardi is on as well...he must be hyped having his NO storm...I mean nothing bad that statement mods...those who watch/listen to him know what I mean

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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:08 PM
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14. Is he staying with them?
One can only hope...
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:10 PM
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15. Sounds like it
I can't bring myself to hit the channel.....I suspect that Charter Cable has some way of metering what channel I'm watching for marketing purposes....paranoid?
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:33 PM
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17. I wish I didn't know that...
...It's almost enough to make me wish Bad Things on NO, and it's never done me any harm...
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 08:41 PM
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4. Wasn't the old change of course
triggered by an earthquake in Tennessee/Arkansas area?

I'm foggy about that...
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 08:55 PM
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10. Different course change. NT
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 08:41 PM
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5. Latest info. I could find.
August 8, 2005. Army Corps of Engineers:

On 10 August 2005, between the hours of 7:30 a.m. and 4:30 p.m., the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers will significantly increase the diversion of water through the Old River Control Structure. This diversion will increase the stage and velocity on the Atchafalaya River in the vicinity of Simmesport, Louisiana (and to lesser amounts downstream and upstream). These effects will occur between 10:30 a.m. and 8:30 p.m. Also, the draw through the Old River Control Structure (mile 311.4 AHP of the Mississippi River) will increase. Mariners should exercise extreme caution when navigating through these areas during the above-mentioned time period. EMILE F. SCHILLING III Chief, Operations Techincal Support Branch http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/navbulletins/Detail.aspx?ID=136

Looks like that is all there is of a current nature.

General (interesting) article re floods on the Mississippi:
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/topics/attach/html/ssd98-9.htm

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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 08:52 PM
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8. It could change course if...
there was a big rise in the river above the control. This would be more likely caused by heavy spring rains and runoff north of the lower Mississippi Basin. But if the storm was to sit over eastern Mississippi, it could happen. hat is not likely.

I'm not an expert. I just have a B.S. in Geophysics.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 08:53 PM
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9. that was the first thing i thought about and posted about
this morning. if things go to hell, there is no way the midwest is going to get grain cheaply out of this country. there will be a critical shortage of petro by- products and natural gas in the midwest in the midwest there will be a huge economic disruption. there is a very good chance it will happen if conditions are bad enough.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:06 PM
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13. Yes it will... it will soon be flowing thru down town New Orleans..
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:21 PM
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16. Most likely yes...
It changes course all the time. In the late 1800s people would help it cut across a loop-back by digging a ditch and waiting for a flood.

Will it bypass N.O.? who knows, but that's an awful lot of water headed upstream. If if stalls before it hits the St. Lawrence basin or the Eastern Continental Divide, then guess where all that water drains.

WWL-tv had an expert who was talking about record stages on the Miss as the storm arrives. Folks, flood stages on the Mississippi have been measured for what, (my guess) 200 years?

I think that most of the delta could be underwater for 2-3 weeks. Once submerged, the channel will go where ever it wants to. I doubt seriously that the water in N.O. is going to suddenly dry up, but, it would be beneficial in the long term for the safety of the city if the main flow turned away from N.O.

-Hoot
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