If Clark not being a registered Dem makes him a mole, then Howard Dean's

[wyldwolf]

campaign is FULL of moles. Just stands to reason. If Wesley Clark still being a registered independent makes him a mole, then the 40 Republicans who are working for Dean - including Hilary Cleveland who registered as an independent and not a Dem are ALL MOLES TOO!

http://www4.fosters.com/News2003/September2003/September_26/News/reg_pol_0926b.asp

I KNEW IT! DEAN IS A ROVE PLANT DESIGNED TO MAKE THE DEMS LOOK LIKE LEFT WING RADICALS!

bwahahahahaha...

[LalahLand]

1. Dean has proven that he is a democrat

through actions. I think a lot of us are still waiting to see hard evidence (besides sound bites) that prove that Wesley is a legitimate Dem (at least at heart).

[Renew Deal]

4. Like what...

shipping nuclear waste to Texas and intending to cut Medicare? Yep, those are democratic party platforms. Admit it, he is a republican plant. Rove will do anything to win.

[blm]

7. Like Dean supporting electricity deregulation?

Isn't that a BFEE goal?

[Andromeda]

38. You seem to know a lot ...

about the goals of the BFEE because you are sure spreading their propaganda.

[TLM]

14. Sad attempt, but lies abotu Dean won't change Clark's words or actions.

Dean had no say over the federal program to relocate waste in secure storage, nor did he have any say over the site selection process, nor did he have any way of knowing that Bush and Co lied about the safety of sierra blanca.

On medicare, Dean wanted to cut the administration to EXPAND coverage.

Look what he did in Vermont.


Now can you defend Clark without attacking Dean, or is this your way of saying Clark's action are undefendable?

[Renew Deal]

16. Sure I can

but that's not what this post is about. Why does Dean have 40 pubs in his staff? Name me one other credible dem candidate that has that.

[TLM]

27. Sure you can...but you'll just attack Dea some more instead.

As for the 40 republicans, many of which did in fact register dem to vote for Dean, I have no problem with them.

Lots of candidates have cross over voters like that, but Dean;s smart enough to get them organized to get more of their fellow republicans to vote for Dean.

If Clark wanted to join an actual democrat's campaign and help them figure out ways to get more republicans to change sides, I'd be find with that too.

Trying to claim that campaign staff, and the actual person running for president should be held to the same standards, is simply stupid.

[retyred]

39. Are these 40 pugs

volenteers or did he hire them and is he paying them with contribution money?

If he's paying them out of contribution money....now that would be funny!



CLARK FOR PRESIDENT
"I'm going to give them the TRUTH and they'll THINK it's hell."
Retyred IN FLA.

[catforclark2004]

41. You written personality plus the Dean pictures turns me off

I hope that Governor Howard Dean does not have your personality. Every time you respond, with that pic of Dean on your post....I am starting to blend the real Dean with you.....it's not a pretty picture. If you going to have the man's pic right there, you might want to represent him better....or maybe the vibes that I am picking up are really his.

What Dean Standing with Black folks....I'd like to know? As a black person, I'm starting to feel that it must not be very strong. I belong to the largest Church in the Bay Area, my hubby is a deacon there....and I certainly have some inffluence....Sharpton was there a couple of weeks ago. I don't believe that Dean will win the South..not with your attitude when it comes to treating others with respect and dignity....Haven't seen it in any of your posts....You just seem to want to win real bad and that's about it.

[KaraokeKarlton]

33. The waste was fucking X-rays for Christs Sakes

If you're going to bash him on it at least get the facts straight. It was LOW LEVEL waste.

[mike_c]

2. was there really any purpose served by posting this...

...other than mental masturbation? Was it good for you?

[Renew Deal]

3. This is why Dean has raised so much money.

He is a republican plant. He was told how to raise money by Rove. Name me one other credible democrat or candidate with 40 republican operatives in their camp.

[Kahuna]

5. Actually, repubs are contributing to Dean because ..

he's their preferred candidate to run against bush.

[TLM]

17. Nice picture of CLark, but i prefer this one...

Left to Right: Hashim Thaci, UCK (KLA) leader; Bernard Kouchner, UN Administrator of Kosovo; Gen. Sir Michael Jackson, KFOR Commander; Agim Ceku, Commander of KPC; Gen. Wesley Clark, NATO Commander.

For those in the audience who did not have a flier, I began to explain the picture which showed General Clark in a congratulatory handshake with Hashim Thaci, leader of the KLA, which under the noses of KFOR had murdered or ethnically cleansed thousands of Kosovo Serbs and had destroyed more Orthodox Christian churches and monasteries than were destroyed in 500 years under the Ottoman Empire. Next to Thaci was Bernard Kouchner, Chief U.N. administrator in Kosovo, British General Sir Michael Jackson, and Agim Ceku, who commanded the Croatian Army in "Operation Storm" that ethnically cleansed 250,000 Serbs from Krajina and murdered thousands and who now commands the Kosovo Protection Corps (KPC), the thinly disguised successor to the KLA. It should be noted that the KLA, with whom we allied ourselves, at one time was designated by the U.S. State Department as a terrorist organization. Of course, this is the same KLA about whom Senator Joe Lieberman said: "The United States of America and the Kosovo Liberation Army stand for the same values and principles . . . Fighting for the KLA is fighting for human rights and American values." (Washington Post, Apr.28, 1999). Clark at Borders bookstore, Pentagon Center Mall, 17 Jul 2001 by Colonel George Jatras, USAF (Ret.)

[Tinoire]

48. Naw... I prefer this one from my days in Europe - Nice hat there !!

It was in all the magazines and people were shocked. That's when people realized that behind the "Humanitarian" facade was nothing more than an old-fashioned war against Yugoslavia. It made me sick as a soldier overseas to see this picture and it makes me even sicker now.



Wesley Clark, Director of Strategy, Plans and Policy for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, cavorting with war criminal Ratko Mladic, who to this day is a fugitive wanted by the U.N. war crimes tribunal and presumed to be hiding somewhere in Serbia. The State Department had begged Clark not to do this because Mladic is an internationally recognized war criminal for his crimes in Sarajevo,
Gorazhde and Srebrenica.

In the finest military tradition, Clark and Mladic exchanged hats and gifts (Liquor and silver pistols if I recall correctly)

Oh yeah... as a peace activist, it's going to be a real honor to vote for this guy. Is the DLC nuts?

And then Clark and his supporters tell you they have no idea and don't care why Clark was brought home 3 months early with no ticker tape parade or so much as a thank you.

Could it be because the State Department begged him not to cavort with these terrorists and he insisted? :mad: :mad: :mad:

Could it be because Jackson had to call Shelton and Cohen in the middle of the night and tell them Clark was about to start WW3?

This thing is making me angrier by the day. The DLC is making FOOLS of the Democrats. :mad: :mad: :mad::mad: :mad: :mad::mad: :mad: :mad:

[Name removed]

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[LalahLand]

8. Then Dean is my kind of Republican

If standing up for equal rights counts as being Republican then sign me up today! :-)

[quinnox]

6. Dean' campaign is faltering

He is looking less a presidential candidate, and more an angry amateur.

If he keeps these attacks on Clark up, he will further erode his candidacy.

[TLM]

10. I can think of 15 million reasons you're wrong.

Then I can think of another 450,000 ways you're wrong.


Dean's campaign continues to grow at record breaking levels.

[Speck Tater]

12. I'd be real curious to know...

... what measure you are using. His fundraising certainly isn't faltering. His standing in the polls certainly isn't faltering. The size of his support base shows no signs of faltering. Seems to me "faltering" is more your own wishfull thinking than anything backed up by cold, hard facts.

[quinnox]

19. We shall see

Get back to me as the primaries get closer. I won't be surprised to see Gephardt on top in Iowa, and Dean behind in New Hampshire. I just hope the shock isn't too much for Deanies.

[TLM]

9. Can't defend Clark so attack Dean.

Is this all you do?

Try to deflect questions about Clark by attackign Dean?

Is Clark really that hard to defend?

[Pastiche423]

11. No, it means clark is NOT a Democrat

[Dean-my-man]

13. CLARK is the Republican!

Everyone knows that CLARK is the Republican; no REAL Democrat would vote for that closet Bush-lover.

Dean-bashing is not cool; he's a Democrat's Democrat.

[Renew Deal]

15. Keep posting that on the Dean blogs.

So all the people you piss off join the Clark campaign.

[TLM]

20. Please explain how Clark is not a republican, given what he has said...

During extended remarks delivered at the Pulaski County GOP Lincoln Day Dinner in Little Rock, Arkansas on May 11, 2001, General Clark declared: "And I'm very glad we've got the great team in office, men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice... people I know very well - our president George W. Bush. We need them there."


"We were really helped when President Ronald Reagan came in. I remember non-commissioned officers who were going to retire and they re-enlisted because they believed in President Reagan."

"That's the kind of President Ronald Reagan was. He helped our country win the Cold War. He put it behind us in a way no one ever believed would be possible. He was truly a great American leader. And those of us in the Armed Forces loved him, respected him, and tremendously admired him for his great leadership."



"President George Bush had the courage and the vision... and we will always be grateful to President George Bush for that tremendous leadership and statesmanship."

[Dean-my-man]

22. Exactly

Thank you for backing me up. Any clear-thinking person will see right through him (Clark).

We should not sacrafice our principles because the corporate media tells us that Clark is the only "Democrat" who can win.

[TLM]

25. Clark was also a big corporate shill lobbyist.

In a group with none other than Henry F-ing Kissinger.


Also a senior adviser at CSIS - (Center for Strategic and International Studies, 1800 K Street, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20006 Fax [phone] ]
2000 CSIS budget, $16 million,
CSIS Affiliates: The International Councillors, a group of international business leaders chaired by Henry Kissinger, meets semiannually to discuss the implications of the changing economic and strategic environment. The Advisory Board is composed of both public- and private-sector policymakers, including several members of Congress. Zbigniew Brzezinski and Carla Hills cochair the board. The Washington Roundtable meets three to four times a year with members of Congress, executive branch officials, and other Washington experts to discuss pressing policy issues of the day. The Houston and Dallas Roundtables bring together local business leaders and CSIS experts to discuss current international political and economic trends.
CSIS Board, Counselors, and Advisers Board of Trustees Chairman Sam Nunn Senior Partner, King and Spalding Vice Chairman David M. Abshire President, Center for the Study of the Presidency, and Cofounder of CSIS Chairman, Executive Committee Anne Armstrong* Former U.S. Ambassador to Great Britain Members George L. Argyros Carla A. Hills Betty Beene Ray L. Hunt Reginald K. Brack Henry A. Kissinger William E. Brock Donald B. Marron Harold Brown Felix G. Rohatyn Zbigniew Brzezinski Charles A. Sanders William S. Cohen James R. Schlesinger J. Michael Cook William A. Schreyer* Ralph Cossa Brent Scowcroft Douglas N. Daft Murray Weidenbaum Robert A. Day Dolores D. Wharton Richard Fairbanks Frederick B. Whittemore Michael P. Galvin* R. James Woolsey Joseph T. Gorman Amos A. Jordan, (Emeritus) John J. Hamre* Leonard H. Marks, (Emeritus) Robert S. Strauss, (Emeritus) *Member of the Executive Committee Counselors William E. Brock Henry A. Kissinger Harold Brown Sam Nunn Zbigniew Brzezinski James R. Schlesinger William S. Cohen Brent Scowcroft Richard Fairbanks Senior Advisers J. Carter Beese Amos A. Jordan Bradley D. Belt John Kornblum James M. Bodner Robert H. Kupperman Stanton H. Burnett Laurence Martin Richard R. Burt Thomas F. (Mack) McLarty Wesley K. Clark Walter Slocombe William K. Clark, Jr. Robert Tyrer Arnaud de Borchgrave Anthony Zinni Diana Lady Dougan Luis E. Giusti Fred C. Iklé (Distinguished Scholar in Residence)

[Dean-my-man]

29. Yup

Further proof.

Anyone here who votes for Clark is a soul-selling, unprincipled whore.

[knight_of_the_star]

54. Context

Those were said BEFORE Bush started to do some REALLY stupid shit. I bet you I could find some quotes of Dean praising his cabinet picks too.

[SWPAdem]

24. Not this Democrat's democrat

n/t

[Dean-my-man]

30. Yeah because...

Yeah, because he's a DINO

[SWPAdem]

32. Wow, you've convinced me

Dream on ya little Deanbot...

[Colin Ex]

40. Gee, very enlightened discourse.

Allow me to raise the tone up a little:


Yo candidate's mama so stupid she got locked in a grocery sto' and died of hunger.

-C

[Rose Siding]

21. And was Dean a registered corporate lobbyist

just because Clark was? I think not.

[TLM]

26. Not only was Clark a lobbyist...he worked for KISSINGER.

I would think twice about voting for someone who stood in the same room with Kissinger, let alone worked for him.

Here's the info...


Also a senior adviser at CSIS - (Center for Strategic and International Studies, 1800 K Street, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20006 Fax [phone] ]
2000 CSIS budget, $16 million,
CSIS Affiliates: The International Councillors, a group of international business leaders chaired by Henry Kissinger, meets semiannually to discuss the implications of the changing economic and strategic environment. The Advisory Board is composed of both public- and private-sector policymakers, including several members of Congress. Zbigniew Brzezinski and Carla Hills cochair the board. The Washington Roundtable meets three to four times a year with members of Congress, executive branch officials, and other Washington experts to discuss pressing policy issues of the day. The Houston and Dallas Roundtables bring together local business leaders and CSIS experts to discuss current international political and economic trends.
CSIS Board, Counselors, and Advisers Board of Trustees Chairman Sam Nunn Senior Partner, King and Spalding Vice Chairman David M. Abshire President, Center for the Study of the Presidency, and Cofounder of CSIS Chairman, Executive Committee Anne Armstrong* Former U.S. Ambassador to Great Britain Members George L. Argyros Carla A. Hills Betty Beene Ray L. Hunt Reginald K. Brack Henry A. Kissinger William E. Brock Donald B. Marron Harold Brown Felix G. Rohatyn Zbigniew Brzezinski Charles A. Sanders William S. Cohen James R. Schlesinger J. Michael Cook William A. Schreyer* Ralph Cossa Brent Scowcroft Douglas N. Daft Murray Weidenbaum Robert A. Day Dolores D. Wharton Richard Fairbanks Frederick B. Whittemore Michael P. Galvin* R. James Woolsey Joseph T. Gorman Amos A. Jordan, (Emeritus) John J. Hamre* Leonard H. Marks, (Emeritus) Robert S. Strauss, (Emeritus) *Member of the Executive Committee Counselors William E. Brock Henry A. Kissinger Harold Brown Sam Nunn Zbigniew Brzezinski James R. Schlesinger William S. Cohen Brent Scowcroft Richard Fairbanks Senior Advisers J. Carter Beese Amos A. Jordan Bradley D. Belt John Kornblum James M. Bodner Robert H. Kupperman Stanton H. Burnett Laurence Martin Richard R. Burt Thomas F. (Mack) McLarty Wesley K. Clark Walter Slocombe William K. Clark, Jr. Robert Tyrer Arnaud de Borchgrave Anthony Zinni Diana Lady Dougan Luis E. Giusti Fred C. Iklé (Distinguished Scholar in Residence)

[bicentennial_baby]

23. C'mon fellow Clark supporters! Enough!

This is childish, divisive and counterproductive. There's just no need to post this type of thing, imho. If we want the respect of our fellow DUers, we should afford them the same respect.

[Forkboy]

37. Thank you BB

I wish all sides would take this attitude.

[bicentennial_baby]

43. As do I

It's so...disheartening, and it just pulls more focus from the primary goal, which is sending the chimp back to Crawford. As a result, I have changed my sig to reflect my feelings.

[ErasureAcer]

28. RIght, so support KUCINICH!

www.kucinich.us

[JohnKleeb]

31. but hes unelectable

;) I am just joking. Ive heard that so many times, I may have dreams from it lol.

[IranianDemocrat]

42. So he can send the country into default?

LOL

[Colin Ex]

44. About that default:

http://www.kucinich.us/aboutdennis.htm#down

Excerpt:

But today Kucinich stands vindicated for having confronted the Enron of his day, and for saving the municipal power company. “There is little
debate,” wrote Cleveland Magazine in May 1996, “over the value of Muny Light today. Now Cleveland Public Power, it is a proven asset to the city that between 1985 and 1995 saved its customers $195,148,520 over what they would have paid CEI.”

[Forkboy]

49. a kick for Iranian

[JohnKleeb]

51. yeah and you know what ID in the end it was a good decision

[Colin Ex]

52. I posted the info, straight from Dennis' site.

So now if he ignores it, feh, he's plugging his ears.

FIght his fire with facts, I guess.

-C

[clar]

34. Get it in while you can, huh?

This sort of baseless attack is what Clark supporters so loudly decry when it's aimed at Clark- and I decry it too. This sort of post is juvenile and repellant. Can't wait until the new rules take effect.

[bicentennial_baby]

35. I agree

and please see my post #23...we're not all like that :-)

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[Walt Starr]

45. I'm sorry if you're offended, but I prefer my Democratic Candidates

to actually be Democrats.

Failing to even register as a Democrat before announcing he was seaking the Democratic nomination has made Clark look like a fool, IMO.

[Tinoire]

46. On second thought - not worth it. n/t

[Colin Ex]

47. I know what you mean.

It's like having your head hit with a hammer. :-)

-C

[MoonRiver]

50. DU's crazed Dean fanatics can't see the logic of your statement,

sadly. :(

[birdman]

53. Clark isn't a mole

That's ridiculous. The conspiracy nonsense never stops.

But if Clark didn't take the time to make himself a Democrat before
announcing for Democratic nomination then it doesn't speak
well about his preparation for the run. This and his inability
to clearly explain how he felt about the Iraq War (he had to know
that that would be the first issue to come up) make me wonder
how good a candidate this guy could be.


Mole. Sheesh.

[alexwcovington]

55. lol Hilarious!!!

Great post :) Thanks for backing up Dean and Clark at the same time!