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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 01:05 AM
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Katrina's Real Name - Global Warming
Katrina’s Real Name — Global Warming
Republicans want to deny that it’s happening, but some know better than to believe their phony science and lies. All one has to do is look at the weather patterns over the past year or so and the undeniable Arctic Melting to understand that Global Warming is happening and we better do something about it before it is too late.

Ross Gelbspan, the author of ‘’The Heat Is On” and ‘’Boiling Point” tells it like it is, in his OP/ED in the Boston Globe: Katrina’s real name.

The hurricane that struck Louisiana yesterday was nicknamed Katrina by the National Weather Service. Its real name is global warming.

When the year began with a two-foot snowfall in Los Angeles, the cause was global warming.

When 124-mile-an-hour winds shut down nuclear plants in Scandinavia and cut power to hundreds of thousands of people in Ireland and the United Kingdom, the driver was global warming.

When a severe drought in the Midwest dropped water levels in the Missouri River to their lowest on record earlier this summer, the reason was global warming.

In July, when the worst drought on record triggered wildfires in Spain and Portugal and left water levels in France at their lowest in 30 years, the explanation was global warming.

When a lethal heat wave in Arizona kept temperatures above 110 degrees and killed more than 20 people in one week, the culprit was global warming.

And when the Indian city of Bombay (Mumbai) received 37 inches of rain in one day — killing 1,000 people and disrupting the lives of 20 million others — the villain was global warming.

MORE - http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=385
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 01:14 AM
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1. "Katrina’s Real Name — Global Warming"
Oh no, haven't we had enough disasterous GW's?
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 01:44 AM
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5. LOL! Yes we have
perhaps he objects so strongly to the truth about it because of the intials!
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globol@comcast.net Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 05:41 PM
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36. The saddest part is
we will pass a point of no return :(
is it not better to play it safe then sorry ?
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Old Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 07:51 PM
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41. it's possible we already have
A similar sized typhoon just dealt Tokyo a passing blow. Massive flooding in Bangladesh, Eastern Europe. Global heat waves...

The only constant factor in climate science it the reduction in the time-line to catastrophic environmental destruction.
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mark11727 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 01:22 AM
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2. But, but, the Preznit said Global Warming doesn't exist...!
Would he LIE about a thing like that?
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 01:45 AM
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6. He would!
He did! And so did all of Big Oil and Big Coal friends!
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mark11727 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 01:57 PM
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14. Hee!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:46 PM
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27. He actually acknowledged Global Warming some time ago
but as I recall his strategy was "There's nothing we can do about it."

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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 10:43 PM
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50. Actually he said that "We" needed to study it more.
Which is exactly what he said in the 2000 elections. The Daily Show had a spot on this very subject. He just doesn't want to deal with it so he gives the public the political doublespeak and moves on. He's such an ass. Just say you don't care and stop pulling our strings, preznit shrub.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 01:30 AM
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3. Kicked and recommended to wake up America.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 01:45 AM
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7. Yes! Wake Up America! N/T
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:53 PM
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20. Me, too!
:kick:
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 01:40 AM
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4. there is a tropical depression forming behind her as someone said
earlier. They are going to come more often and more fiercely. NO will have to be abandoned or keep getting this.
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deep_thwart Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 01:54 AM
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8. Global Warming > Rocket Launches
I've heard that Rocket Launches over the years which penetrate the ionosphere have had an effect on it. Additionally, I believe that the ever-increasing UV scale used by weather forecasters at first from 1 to 10, and now 1 to 10 plus, are related to the last 40 years of rocket launches propelling satellites into orbit.

I believe this penetration is the cause of the ionosphere shrinking, creating the big hole near the south pole. This allows not only more heat from the sun, but infrared and ultraviolet rays at abnormal levels.

That is my take on the subject.
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Gronk Groks Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 04:29 PM
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31. Deep Thwart, what have you been smoking???
Cannabis or crack? Greenhouse gases keep going up, thousands of scientists tell us that it is trapping infrared radiation; and you came up with rocket launches?

Read up on it Freeper...it is your descendants too!

Oh, and welcome to DU.
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Tyranny_R_US Donating Member (988 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:17 AM
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9. Globina Worrming :P
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shockra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 05:13 AM
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10. Great post.
I read Boiling Point, too.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 05:43 AM
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11. The GOPers needed something to take the heat off of Karl and
Cheney, Cindy and also the War in Iraq. So Rumbo called up the guys at a star wars base and whammo!

ANGELS DON'T PLAY THIS HAARP
Advances in Tesla Technology
by
Jeanne Manning and Dr. Nick Begich
The U.S. Government has a new ground-based "Star Wars" weapon which is being tested in the remote bush country of Alaska. This new system manipulates the environment in a way which can:

Disrupt human mental processes.
Jam all global communications systems.
Change weather patterns over large areas.
Interfere with wildlife migration patterns.
Negatively affect your health.
Unnaturally impact the Earth's upper atmosphere.

http://www.2012.com.au/HAARP.html
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marysdance Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 06:52 AM
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12. An interesting take
Not that I don't share your concern.... However, this fellow has an interesting take. It's worth looking at.
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,372176,00.html


Peace
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:48 PM
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19. I understood the article to place blame squarely on Global Warming
"So, as global warming increases, expect hurricanes to get stronger. However, that doesn't mean, as some perceive, that there are actually more of them lately. "When we looked at the historical record, we found that the frequency of storms globally hasn't really changed at all," Emanuel said. "It's about 90 per year, plus or minus 10. The frequency globally appears to be steady."
What he appears to be saying is that instead of more of them occuring they will just get stronger and stronger.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 07:02 AM
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13. WHat about Camille from 26 years ago?
Global warming wasn't a big hit back then...

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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:03 PM
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15. What about the Labor Day hurricane of 1935?
Or better yet someone explain to me how say Kyott being adopted from its initial agreement (I think 1996 or possibly 1994) and fully enforced would have stopped this?

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CitrusLib Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:10 PM
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24. Big shrug. What about the early 80's?
Can anyone explain why not a single named storm hit the U.S. for three years in the early 80's ('81 - '83, I believe). I believe we were pumping out greenhouse gases then.

While I believe global warming exists and something needs to be done about it, blaming the Bush administrations failure to sign the Kyoto Agreement as a cause of Katrina sounds a tad far-fetched to me. Killer hurricanes have been around for eons.

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Gronk Groks Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 04:43 PM
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33. Who said anything about Kyoto???
Everyone is talking about Global Warming, which has been building up alot longer than shrub has been pResident.

"*" hasn't helped the situation. That is the point, we have got to start slowing done the rate of increase in Greenhouse gases. It has taken us about 150 years to get into this situation. It is going to take a few decades to get in under control. Delaying it for 8 years with a pResident who keeps his head buried in the sand so that his fossil fuel friends can keep raking in the cash isn't helping.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 08:11 PM
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45. Greenhouse warming is cumulative and the repair will take time...
but if we sit on our hands, it will get worse...
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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:55 PM
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21. STOP
STOP posting common sense facts. ALL recent past and future hurricanes are caused by global warming. That's the message. Don't deviate.
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 05:11 PM
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35. Umm.....you do realize that the number of hurricanes
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 05:11 PM by MsTryska
we have each year stays around the same.

However the Intensity and volume of said hurricanes is entirely dependent on the water temperature.

you notice how it was a cat 1 coming off the Atlantaic, and when it hit the gulf it jumped up to a cat 5?

it's cuz the waters warmer.


now why would the water be warmer? hmm...because it magically got warmed up somehow.

now why would that be?


let me send you on to the newscientist - have fun reading:

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:17 PM
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16. wow.
that's a powerful op ed piece.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:27 PM
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17. Follow up on this...
The Ravages of Hurricane Katrina and the Global Warming Connection
August 30th, 2005

The full measure of damage caused by Hurricane Katrina may not be known for days. AP News has a list of the effects known to date, here.

Rescue efforts are still underway in most areas. Los Angeles County Fire Department’s swift-water rescue team left L.A. early this morning to join the rescue efforts, as worn out National Guard units “strained by long overseas deployments” and volunteers from across the country scramble to get to the hurricane ravaged area.

Last night I posted, Katrina’s Real Name — Global Warming, about an OP/ED by Global Warming author Ross Gelbspan. A reader pointed me to Salon’s, Katrina’s destructive waves, noting that Kerry Emanuel, a professor of atmospheric science at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, cited “the destruction of Katrina is due to the combination of normal hurricane cycles and massive development in hurricane-prone areas, not global warming.”

I thoroughly agree with my reader’s point about “the destruction of Katrina” being attributed “to massive development in hurricane-prone areas”, however, what my reader failed to note is that Emanuel also notes that atmospheric warming “fuels the intensity of hurricanes.”

So, as global warming increases, expect hurricanes to get stronger. However, that doesn’t mean, as some perceive, that there are actually more of them lately.”When we looked at the historical record, we found that the frequency of storms globally hasn’t really changed at all,” Emanuel said. “It’s about 90 per year, plus or minus 10. The frequency globally appears to be steady.”

MORE & LINKS - http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=387#more-387
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:41 PM
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18. "the Indian city of Bombay (Mumbai) received 37 inches of rain in one day"
WOW what an absolutely incredible stat. I can not even begin to imagine how hard it had to rin for this to have occured and I don't recall hearing anything about it.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:57 PM
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22. WHY DO YOU SUPPORT THE TERRORISTS?!!!
You know our PRESIDENT says "THE JURY IS STILL OUT ON GLOBAL WARMING"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:sarcasm:

Great post, recommended.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:00 PM
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23. He's Wrong!
W stands for Wrong!
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:22 PM
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25. We had some strange weather out here in on the west coast last winter
This summer has also been strange. Lived here for here in So Cal for 46 years. The next couple of years will be tell tale would be my guess.

The almost nightly frost of ten years ago of deep winter has turned into an ocassional happening now
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 06:14 PM
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38. Humid summer in L.A.
I've been here 15 years from the east coast and this is the most humid summer I can remember. Humidity levels at 70% day after day a few weeks ago - not average for Southern CA!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:24 PM
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26. nominated.. for obvious reasons... n/t
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gasolineboycottday Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:49 PM
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28. We agree and the administration blacked out pertinent info. on last report
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 03:56 PM by gasolineboycottday
"A report came out and the admin. censored information about global warming and it's relationship to oil burning vechiles and industry.

Reports issued by our leading governmental scientists are being screened and information that confirms knowledge about global warming and what can be done to help prevent it is being blocked...."

(Courtesy of Technosoul@Volconvo - Yahoo news link expired - but I'll find it ASAP)

Here's one story on censorship of report (thank GOODNESS for the BBC!!!):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3006448.stm

Gasoline Boycott Day 3
Labor Day - 9/5/05
http://www.gasolineboycottday.org

Our News Threads:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4489944&mesg_id=4490041
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4505922

GREAT POST KERRYGODDESS!
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gasolineboycottday Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 04:00 PM
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29. MORE NEWS ON CENSORSHIP OF GLOBAL WARMING REPORT FROM CBS
MORE NEWS ON CENSORSHIP OF GLOBAL WARMING REPORT FROM CBS...

Obviously Michael Jackson coverage was more important that day...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/07/24/politics/main564873.shtml

Gasoline Boycott Day 3
Labor Day - 9/5/05
http://www.gasolineboycottday.org
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 04:21 PM
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30. Time for some science...
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 06:18 PM
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39. Covered in my follow-up piece.
Note that the NY Times piece says "In an article this month in the journal Nature, Kerry A. Emanuel, a hurricane expert at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, wrote that global warming might have already had some effect."

See this follow-up post for more from Kerry Emanuel - http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=387

I've been following these stories today, the consensus seems to be that we're not getting more storms, they are just getting stronger.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 04:37 PM
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32. yes the sad fact is
the officials of the gulf coast area should not be talking about "rebuilding" the cities they should be talking about "re-loacting" them. Nothing we do or try to do now to ry and stem the effects of global warming will stop the already long forecast disasters of the future. Coastal areas everywhere are in danger. Or at least if you rebuild be prepared for the consequenses of living in that area.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 10:41 PM
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49. That's exactly what worries me
There's a certain irresistible political impulse already in the air here - the near-unavoidable temptation for politicians to stand on piles of wreckage (sound familiar?) and talk about our resolve and courage and our all-American determination to rebuild in exactly the same place, subject to the same kinds of dangers.

I am the first to admit that, though I believe that the science of rapid warming on a planetary scale has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt again and again, it's very difficult to prove that a single event like Katrina is due to this overall trend. I'm not trying to be contrarian, but that's how the science works on this.

But let's say for the sake of argument that it is for real, and that this kind of storm is only going to become more commonplace (which I believe is going to be the case). How much sense, then, does it make to rebuild on a site below sea level with water on three sides?

Very little scientific sense. But it sure looks good on the tee-vee and makes lots and lots of political sense, doesn't it? :eyes:
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 05:07 PM
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34. Yes, climate change! In the name of God, Dems, tell the truth to people -
one way or another, this cabal is going to kill us all, in their pursuit of money and power. They are completely out of control, and so, increasingly, is our planet.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 05:42 PM
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37. yup - that's the fact.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 06:24 PM
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40. kick
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 07:54 PM
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42. "Global Warming is Good for the trees and plants and..."
- Right Wingers.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 10:37 PM
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48. LOL!
yes, very good for the right wingers!
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 08:04 PM
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43. Okay, but
I was in L.A. county in January; I lived there, and I don't remember a snowfall, let alone 2 feet. At least, not below the mountains.

Where was there 2 feet of snow?
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 08:04 PM
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44. Kick.
Yep. :thumbsup:
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 10:34 PM
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46. Here's a piece from Time Magazine speculating on this...
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 10:34 PM by calipendence

From:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1099102,00.html

Is Global Warming Fueling Katrina?

Warm ocean temperatures are a key ingredient for monster hurricanes, prompting some scientists to believe that global warming is exacerbating our storm troubles

By JEFFREY KLUGER

Posted Monday, Aug. 29, 2005

The people of New Orleans are surely not thinking about wind vortices, the coriolis effect or the dampness of the troposphere as they hunker down during hurricane Katrina this morning. They’re mostly thinking about the savage rains and 140 mph winds that have driven them from their homes. But it’s that meteorological arcana that’s made such a mess of the bayou, and to hear a lot of people tell it, we have only ourselves—and our global-warming ways—to blame.

One thing’s for sure: hurricanes were around a long, long time before human beings began chopping down rainforests and fouling the atmosphere. To get such a tempest going, you don’t need much more than ocean temperatures above 80 degrees Fahrenheit; a cool, wet atmosphere above and a warm, wet one near the surface; and a preexisting weather disturbance with a bit of spin to it far enough from the equator (at least 300 miles) so that the rotation of the Earth amplifies the rotation of the storm. The more intense the storm becomes, the more the temperature of its core climbs, accelerating the spin, exacerbating the storm, and leading to the meteorological violence we call a hurricane. And violent it can be: The heat released in an average hurricane can equal the electricity produced by the U.S. in a single year.

So is global warming making the problem worse? Superficially, the numbers say yes—or at least they seem to if you live in the U.S. From 1995 to 1999, a record 33 hurricanes struck the Atlantic basin, and that doesn’t include 1992’s horrific Hurricane Andrew, which clawed its way across south Florida in 1992, causing $27 billion dollars worth of damage. More-frequent hurricanes are part of most global warming models, and as mean temperatures rise worldwide, it’s hard not to make a connection between the two. But hurricane-scale storms occur all over the world, and in some places—including the North Indian ocean and the region near Australia—the number has actually fallen. Even in the U.S., the period from 1991 to 1994 was a time of record hurricane quietude, with the dramatic exception of Andrew.

...
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 10:36 PM
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47. Interesting...
Thanks for posting this.
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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 11:46 PM
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51. I agree this is on * and cooperate Americas hands big time
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