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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:43 PM
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I just got power on and I am horrified by the posts at DU!!
I'm inland 200 miles and we lost power at 8:30 PM last night in a spectacular way....the winds calmed for a moment and it was only raining, not sideways rain...I saw a huge something blow up!

I'm shocked I have power so soon, after witnessing that light in the sky...the power was browning out, and blinking for about 2 hours last night up until 8:30 pm CT. Then just when the local meteorologist said the "worst has past us" there was an explosion of light in the sky!

We knew it was bad because the entire skyline to the East was on fire == first it was orange, lasted minutes and I thought the grocery store up there MUST be on fire! Then the sky turned green/blue. Knew it was electrical and our power completely died.

I saw something that scared me so much I screamed out loud! I was in the dark and I saw what looked like the War of The Worlds or other movie was happening...

The sky lit up orange...I thought a fire, then it was green and blue..the whole sky was a very bright color ... and standing there in the hallway of my home, seeing that entire sky light into blue/green. Made me think of that scene in Close Encounters.

I've been listening to the radio since dawn, and this is BAD, OCEAN SPRINGS bridge is Gone!

I've been listening to radio and cell phone reports are that the Mississippi coast line is destroyed.

I AM HORRIFIED AT THE FREAKING DUERS OUT OF THE WAY OF THE STORM WHO POST SHIT, NOT STOP SHIT ABOUT WHO EVACUATED AND WHO DID NOT....

AND ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO POSTED DEATH OF NEW ORLEANS.

If this really is a liberal site, you might want to curb your continued posts about the death of cities in the South?
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:44 PM
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1. People are people. We have our versions of Freepers too.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:45 PM
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2. I think the mods ought to start locking them.
Glad you're safe, Ripley. :hug:
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:47 PM
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11. YES, lock these destructive and useless posts
Glad another DUer is safe.
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jackster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:45 PM
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3. thankful that you are okay!
n/t
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:45 PM
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Glad to see that you are alright. And I couldn't agree with you more.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:49 PM
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17. My back is killing me...
Ive been hauling huge branches and small since 7:00 am. It is tireing.

But I am crying about my friend in Ocean Springs....that place is Gone! My neighbor had his huge tree fall down across the street (so I couldn't get out) but my other neighbor got out there with a chainsaw and moved the pieces over to the side of the road.
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smbolisnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:51 PM
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19. I can't imagine how exhausting and frustrating that must be.
I hope your friend is alright...:hug:
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:45 PM
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4. I haven't read anything actually celebrating the flooding of NO...
but if you saw it, I agree it's pretty damn sad.

New Orleans is a great town -- totally unique, unlike most of our modern strip-mall society. One of my favorite places in the country.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:46 PM
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5. Thank you for this post
I am looking for a friend in Sun--she evacuated from Lacombe on Sunday. These silly DUers with their crap on evacuating and looting are driving me up a frigging wall.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:46 PM
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6. this place hasn't been a 'Liberal Site' for a couple years now
sorry and glad you are safe.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:46 PM
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7. Kicked and recommended n/t
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:46 PM
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8. I posted about losing NOLA...
But I think it was clear that I was horrified by the thought.

I'm glad you are OK Ripley.
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CityZen-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:47 PM
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9. You Should Be Horrified
That Bu$h*t Nero has played a guitar during your horror!
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:47 PM
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10. I'm really sorry you're having to read half the shit
And some people are more intent on focusing on the looters than the human tragedy occurring.

Stay safe. I love NO and I hold out hope for the future.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:47 PM
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12. I'm thankful you are okay Ripley
:hug:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:47 PM
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13. This is not one of our finer moments.
Plus, I think we're being "visited" again. But DU regulars should know better, and behave better.

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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:48 PM
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14. Maybe you are not in a position to answer rationally
But do you think that New Orleans is recoverable?
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:09 PM
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27. NO recoverable?
My opinion is that it will take at least a year to fix New Orleans.

But the worst hit and death toll is coming from Mississippi!

I know folks down there. And I spent time down there.

IT IS GONE.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:21 PM
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38. I am not trying to diminish the tragedy
But I was responding to something you wrote in your original message:

AND ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO POSTED DEATH OF NEW ORLEANS.

I haven't seen anyone posting, "YEAH! New Orleans is dead!!!" I have however, seen people ask if it is worth it to repopulate the city. Is that what you meant by death of New Orleans, or were you refering to the New Orleans death toll?

For what it's worth, I think that abandoning most of the Mississippi delta should be a serious consideration right now. The city will only continue to sink, the Gulf will only continue to rise, and hurricanes will become more common at least for the next 50 years.

Is it really in bad taste to consider this? Would this not work to diminish future death tolls?
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 04:15 PM
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40. I pick you.
hi?
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 05:22 PM
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46. Um
I don't understand.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:49 PM
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15. Glad you're back and all is okay.
I'm in Alabama and made the mistake of trying to visit clients here and in TN today. A lot of downed trees and limbs and the wind is really kicking here and there.

And I do agree with you wholeheartedly.

:hug:


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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:49 PM
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16. Most liberals I know are horrified
and feel very sorry for the victims of this storm. If anything, we are acutely aware of how disproportionately such a disaster affects the poorest of the poor, and they exist in these red states through no fault of their own.

I haven't read, and I wouldn't read, any garbage that verbally attacks the victims. I would ask them to take their vile comments elsewhere.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:50 PM
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18. Ripley, glad you are safe. I assume someone explained to you
that the explosions you were hearing and the light show that goes with it are transformers blowing up. A few years ago during an ice storm I happened to be outside about 3:00 in the am and happened to witness a series of exploding transformers all around me. No one else I know was watching and it is absolutely unbelievable and hard to describe.

Take care and be safe.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:51 PM
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20. Transformers blowing up?
:kick:
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:08 PM
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26. It happens in earthquakes too.
The lines short out and things explode. If you've ever seen it you don't forget.
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Qibing Zero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:18 PM
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35. It was a lightshow in florida...
..during one night of the 2-3 day hurricane frances. We stood around outside and watched the sky light up with bluish colored explosions of light. With the amount that went, we were lucky to even have power back within a week.

Because of how long it lasted, it cleared a lot of the stuff out of the way that would have been even more damaged in jeanne. Still, we lost a huge oak tree from jeanne hours after it had passed. People don't realize the force of the winds trailing the hurricane after it leaves northwest of you.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 04:50 PM
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44. Hi Qibing Zero
Welcome to DU!
:toast:
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:55 PM
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21. I'm with you
This storm has really screwed up our day, but not as bad as many. We were without power - which also means no water - for over eight hours and without phone most of today.

I come back to DU and Dayum.....I am only kicking the threads where help is offered or requested. It's sad to see how many are heartless.

We have a lot of cleanup to do; our property is covered with debris and limbs, but we feel pretty lucky all in all. Those of you who aren't in harms's way - or who haven't been in harm's way - please do what you can to help, rather than condemning, conjecturing or comically amusing yourselves.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:55 PM
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22. I have not seen anything like what you
"claim" to have seen on DU.

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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:57 PM
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23. My thoughts and prayers are with you Ripley.
PLease stay safe and know we are here for you. :hug:
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:04 PM
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24. Ah Ripley Baby Du's Funniest Mom Is Sending You Love
Hugs bunny. Hang tight baby this is a fecking mess. PM me if you need ANYTHING. You know I will be there for you. Really ANYTHING!
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:16 PM
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32. I'm okay other than back pain....
You my friend must update us on where your son is now~.

I meant that monicer as a compliment..hope you know that.

Oh shit ..there is the cops..
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:05 PM
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25. So glad you're safe and I know what you mean about some of the DU
posts...I just posted this on looting...got a few sarcastic responses.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4511475

STOP these posts about LOOTERS! Enough already. I've not read
ONE, Pro or Con...Turn on MSM if you want to hear all about it. We have a human tragedy that is beyond comprehension, and all some of you can do is debate the moral pros and cons of looting, for gosh sakes! NOLA is a poor city and a rich city. They are stressed, they are tired, they are hungry, and there is no Christ in sight. What do you expect? Quit wasting time and space debating the inevitable!


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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:11 PM
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28. glad youre ok ripley
and sorry for what is added on for you and all others by the posts here that are so troubling

take good care and im glad you are sharing your thoughts with us
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:11 PM
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29. Glad you are safe and well and hope your friends
in Miss are well. No one can appreciate what this feels like until you go through it. Let us know if we can help....
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:13 PM
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30. I am glad you are safe and thanks for checking in. We care.
I'm sorry if the posts offended you. Maybe it's time for the DUers who have been through this and who are able to get back online to set the record straight and report what is really happening. Right now we are at the mercy of the "librul" media.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:15 PM
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31. Glad you're okay, truly.
In fairness, a lot of people, myself included, genuinely belived this storm would be the death of a great city, and if it had continued on course, that might have been the case. Maybe you didn't see the calls on DU for a focusing of energies to ward the storm off from the city? I don't think anyone here *wanted* such a horrible thing to happen.
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:18 PM
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33. I hope that you and yours faired well.....
Do they say how many are without power and water?
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:18 PM
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34. I've seen nothing in the way of DU'ers celebrating the destruction
and I spend way too much of my time here. Could you post some links to threads where you have seen this?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:18 PM
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36. How scary that must've been
of that site. I'm glad you're okay! :hug:
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:19 PM
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37. I got nothin' but love for NO...
...and I've never even been there yet.

I can only watch helplessly right now, but I'm glad you're back with us.

Hang in there. I mean it.
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expatriate Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 03:37 PM
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39. Ripley, I am so sorry for all you're going through.
I have made some posts about the realities involved in the failure of the levees and also have given some information regarding the ways the pumps in New Orleans work, where water is usually pumped, etc. I did this largely because people simply don't know how things are done in New Orleans and a great deal of misinformation was being posted. Some people didn't understand what a levee was, others did not really know where the pumped water went. New Orleans has a unique situation, and it has been a lack of understanding and knowledge about the levee system that has led to the lassaize-faire attitude in the news media - sort of a sense of "well, they'll get wet all right, but then it'll all go away and everything will be okay and shame on those bad looters and tsk tsk, those silly people should have evacuated so now it's their fault they're going to drown" that has prevailed in news reporting until today.

Finally, I've seen some news reports that actually acknowledge the fact that New Orleans must be completely evacuated and that this is more than a matter of a little bit of water in the streets. This acceptance of the grim reality of the situation has, unfortunately, come many days too late. The officials in New Orleans have been realistic from the outset, but unfortunately, the federal government and President have certainly not taken much noticeable heed so far and the news media seems to have done their usual routine of trying to make grim reality into an entertaining disaster movie or "reality TV".

I have a mentally ill son in New Orleans. He is an adult. I don't want to go into a huge explanation of his situation, but he has consistently refused treatment when it has been provided, and basically, he's a street person. I have very limited ability to contact him, and rely on other people to keep me informed as to his whereabouts and to get what support and monetary help I can give him to him. I live on the other side of the planet. I have had no news regarding him since a week ago.

There is a chance that he went to the Superdome. There is a chance that he is out on the streets. There is a chance that he's already one of those bodies seen floating around. There is even a chance, depending on who might be home in his brain at this particular time, that he might be one of those reviled looters. He would have been one of those people who did not evacuate, because he wouldn't have had the means or even the ability to think clearly enough about what might happen.

With my particular knowledge of the New Orleans levee system and the watercourses around New Orleans, the last few days have been particularly harrowing for me, knowing that the serious flooding occurring now was highly likely, while the news media and federal government have literally fiddled while New Orleans drowned - to say nothing of the less famous communities like Slidell, Gulfport, Biloxi, Mobile and all those towns in Plaquemines Parish and south of New Orleans. And having someone that is related to me out there in New Orleans, unreachable and possibly dead or terrified and desperate - well. I won't even go into describing that. There are other posters here at DU in the same boat.

Anything I have said regarding New Orleans as we know it being finished was certainly not done with any sort of glee or excitement. Anything I have said has been said with an attempt to make people understand just what is going on there. This isn't a situation of waiting for the water to go down, changing a little bit of carpet in all the houses and going on. People need to understand that, and to understand the gravity of the situation. Because people have not understood, there is now a terrible situation in New Orleans that will take months to rectify and which will have permanent repercussions. Right now it is impossible to predict just what the outcome of all this for New Orleans is.

Like you, I find the threads about looters really disturbing. Right now, far too many people are in serious trouble for there to be concern about this. I haven't even bothered to read much of those threads - after all, what will arguing about the looting do? The way things are going in New Orleans, the people doing the looting are going to have to leave and they're certainly not going to have much of a way to save or use what they've stolen. I would feel much better if DU had a lot of threads on what to do for hurricane relief. The concentration on looting and the arguments about it underscore what I have come to realize about the way DU has been going in the last couple of years, which is why my visits here are now very rare, and my post count is so low, even though I've been around for a long time. But right now, this isn't important either.

The threads about who evacuated and who did not - I do think these things need to be said. This situation has painfully pointed out terrible inequities in our society, and as the relative of someone who would not have been able to evacuate without assistance, it is frustrating to see news reports where it is intimated that those who didn't evacuate are now getting what they deserve. I would venture that the majority of people who did not evacuate New Orleans simply could not, for one reason or another - they had no transport, they had no money to afford transport, they are mentally or physically infirm. There are many, many very poor people in New Orleans. Many of them would have a limited perception of what was going to happen, due to lack of education and realistic information. In disaster situations there are always a few die hards who refuse to leave, and there are those who don't leave because they plan to loot in the aftermath of whatever happens, but the majority of people who don't leave simply cannot without assistance. It's obvious that assistance wasn't going to be available to poor New Orleanians - like my son. This is not something that should be ignored, particularly in a country with the amount of resources that America has.

I am sorry if anything I've posted has caused you or anyone else distress; however, my intent was to get people to understand just how grave the situation in New Orleans and the surrounding area is. My statements were not made in an attempt to get vicarious jollies from a disaster situation, but to answer valid questions people had, and to try to make people understand just what we're looking at here. I am certainly not happy over the reality that is occurring in New Orleans and along the Gulf Coast, but I don't believe that allowing people to continue in ignorance regarding what is going on in the area is a good idea either. The last thing I want to see is New Orleans being forever changed or indefinitely uninhabitable, but this is exactly what the officials who are there in New Orleans have been saying for days now.

Only by accepting reality will people be able to begin to do something to realistically help those in need and comprehend that right now, fussing about looters and blaming those who couldn't evacuate for their fate is pointless and mean-spirited.

You mention that you have power and are 200 miles inland. Is there any information regarding how relatives can find out where people in New Orleans are? There is a paucity of information in what news I can find. Perhaps you can find out something and post it here? That would be a definite positive help for many who have relatives and friends in the area.

I hope that you and yours are well, and that you will recover from the losses you've suffered.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 04:17 PM
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41. please stop that
damn. stop
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expatriate Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 04:23 PM
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43. What would you like me to say, Ripley?
My son is down there! He's mentally incompetent. He could be lost, desperate, drowning. He could be dead already. I can't contact him, or anyone who knows him. I've been trying to find out something - anything - for days. I haven't slept in more than 48 hours. I count on places like DU to get some information that isn't the pap being handed out by the media.

You're sitting 200 miles away. You have electricity. What's your beef? What do you want? Do you want me to say "La di dah, everything's great! We're all going to join hands and sing Kumbayah and the sun will come out and everyone in New Orleans will do the happy dance! It was all just a bad dream, now snuggle down and go back to sleep."

I'm half a world away, and helpless to do anything but answer questions that I know the answers to. I'm sorry if that offends you. Figuratively putting your hands over your ears and singing la la la isn't going to change the fact that things are bad - and that my kid is out there in it and doesn't even have the sense to save himself.

So sorry if the truth has made you uncomfortable.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 04:56 PM
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45. I hope you get some answers, expat..
Do you know anyone with ham radio? I know that they step into the breach when there's an info blackout...
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expatriate Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 05:27 PM
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48. Thanks, Annabanana
Last time I tried, ham radio wasn't working. I don't know why. Communications are practically nonexistant, unless one has a satellite phone. I've been told the Sprint phone network has been working, but cannot get through to people I know have Sprint.

All I can do is keep on trying.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 04:18 PM
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42. I'm so glad that you are ok, Ripley!
Do you happen to know anything about North Biloxi?

Peace.
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Old Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 05:22 PM
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47. This is a global emergency
and due to the gradual destruction of the mainstream media DU is one of the only places to turn to for on the ground real stories - such as yours - and analysis and discussion of the short and long term repercussions.

I am sorry for your distress and pain, but DU, a political site, has become a source of knowledge and expertise to the world, negative posts and all.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 05:33 PM
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49. I'm very glad you're okay.
I haven't seen any DUers calling for the death of NO, and it's probably a good thing that I haven't seen it. I have seen postings from Freeperville saying that, though.

I do agree that people are focusing too much on the looting. Many of those people are trying get needed supplies, and even for those stealing tvs and such, it was known ahead of time that this would happen. It happens in any major disaster. It even happened during 9/11.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 05:34 PM
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50. Ripley I feel your disgust
Seriously, I've been somewhat annoyed by DU in the last few months in general but I've never felt as disgusted as I have reading GD the last day or so. I don't know why I keep coming back in here, I must be a masochist, I'm just jacking my blood pressure up for no good reason.

I hope you and yours are safe and taken care of, all of y'all are in my thoughts and prayers. :hug:
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