Nations have offered to help to the US and they were REFUSED!

[ck4829]

There was a DU'er yesterday who said that no other countries have offered help.

RW'ers have also asked where the other nations are for us.

READ IT AND WEEP!

"Venezuela has offered their Medical Airlift Command for the evacuation of peoples trapped in these devastated regions; Holland has offered the resources of their Public Works Ministry (and who are the acknowledged World Experts for below sea level water evacuation procedures); Russia has offered over 100,000 temporary living structures, along with Military Personal to assist their American counterparts; Iran has offered 1 Billion US Dollars in immediate assistance and guaranteed 5,000,000 barrels of oil at $35.00 US Dollars; China has offered their Military Rescue Forces (Who are acknowledged as one of the best in the world for rescuing peoples in flood ravaged areas.)"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4524470&mesg_id=4524470

Guess what? All of these requests and other requests to help were denied by the Bush Administration.

[bleedingheart]

1. Canada has offered to help as well..

[bribri16]

60. Someone needs to tell the jerks at FOX "News" who keep hammering that

other nations have not stepped up to help us. they did mention Venezuela but almost like a joke. I understand the jesse Jackson has struck a deal with Chavez to send fuel to hospitals and nursing homes hit by the hurricane. Anyone have links to this story?

[Midlodemocrat]

2. Well, in fairness

It would be unseemly to accept help from Iran immediately prior to attacking them.

:sarcasm:

[ray of light]

3. well, they look at it as being "bribable"

a quid-pro-quo sort of thing...

[Hobarticus]

4. Well, now, hang on...

If we got half of Iran's military over here helping out while we invaded...afterwards, we could just send the Iranian military that's here to Gitmo II, soon to be established in the Superdome.

We're on to something here, I know it...

[SidDithers]

50. Fight them here, so we don't have to fight them there?...

or something like that :)

Sid

[Frances]

6. Thanks for the laugh

I needed that because I have been so tense and sad and angry about Bush's total incompetence in handling this disaster.

[RedCloud]

5. This would prove we were lied to all our lives!

It would destroy conservative ideology.

Imagine a world where we actually met peoples of other places who meant us no harm and now we cannot be whipped up into a killing frenzy against them!

[havocmom]

17. Yep. Conservatives are proud and will let our people die from many things

that are preventable rather than admit they are not the big stud muffins they think they are. Once again, proving their manhood by cutting short the lives of the less fortunate. So easy to 'stand tall' when they are really standing on the broken backs of so many others.

Pigs.

Folks, we need to put 'full scale assault on public awareness' on this issue on our to do list. We need to make damned sure America knows others wanted to help but our 'leaders' refused. MSM sure as hell won't be much help getting that fact out, but we have managed without them on other issues, we can do it again.

LTTE, calls in to radio/tv shows, fliers on cars, blogs, bumper stickers, chat by the water cooler, do your part to make Americans aware the world still cares enough to offer help and the twits making speeches but nothing more refused that help out of vanity.

[bloom]

18. exactly.

Bush&Co. wouldn't want people to get the idea that people in the world help each other out and can work together on things.

Our illusion as the strongest and best country might be shattered if we accepted any help.

We must hate and fight. :crazy:

[nonconformist]

7. Nominated.

Read it and weep, Freepers.

BUSH DOES NOT CARE ABOUT AMERICA IN HER TIME OF NEED.

[all.of.me]

8. all these responses crack me up. you are a clever bunch.

i nominated this thread. this is appalling.

[TornadoTN]

9. Amazing

All of these countries that we have been taught to demonize are offering to help. I understand that its the nature of the beast in global politics, they offer something in the hopes that they get something in return in the future. But why aren't we accepting the help from these countries? Since we don't have the personnel or equipment on the ground, it would make sense that we swallow some pride and accept some assistance.

The Chinese or Russians aren't going to be a threat to National Security, there is nothing down there left! We certainly could use them and would go a long way in mending some fences in the world. But we are "proud" tough, cowboys here in America.

But I forget that we live in Bush's America, where everyone can just die or drown as long as he looks tough and there are still people chomping at the bit to drink his Kool-Aid.

[MildyRules]

10. Any link/source that shows we have refused aid?

That's just terrible if true.

[mogster]

11. Here's the meme spread by Norwegian-American repubs in Norw.

4/20/2005 Final Report:

$1,030,714,108.34 US were donated by American people to charity for tsunami relief.

The people of Alabama, Mississippi, Florida and Louisiana among other Katrina struck states, will be helped by people of this great nation, also.

Un official Jan Egeland, you do not need to step up to the plate in regards to this natural disaster. We do not want your reputation of dislike for the great United States to get blemished by asking the world for support of these demolished states.

Thank you.

US taxpayer and $$$ contributor to your salary.

My answer:
------------------------------

> $1,030,714,108.34 US were donated by American people to charity for tsunami relief.

Yes. By Democrats.

> The people of Alabama, Mississippi, Florida and Louisiana among other Katrina struck states, will be helped by people of this great nation, also.

They will also be helped by people around the world. I personally know two that lost their house, and will take steps.

> Un official Jan Egeland, you do not need to step up to the plate in regards to this natural disaster. We do not want your reputation of dislike for the great United States to get blemished by asking the world for support of these demolished states.

Leave it to the stingy republicans to pay, now whining so loud about gas prices that it can be heard even over here? Hardly...

BTW.

How LOW is it to use this situation for political sniping, even before the dead people are found and buried?

It takes gunnvor to do this. Where's timmie - this should be up his alley as well.

http://debatt.aftenposten.no/Item.asp?GroupID=4&Group=Verden+%2D+generelt&ThreadID=128314&Thread=No%20charity%20needed.

On edit: added link

[Sabriel]

12. AFAIK, the original email has not been verified/authenticated n/t

[malachibk]

13. Is this for real?

If it is, are there any reliable links? This is something the American people NEED to know.

[Emit]

63. Sorcha Faal is not a reliable source, IMO

And the OP here links to a DU link with Sorcha Faal as writer of the original article.

[bushisanidiot]

14. AWOL Bush needs a crisis for his numbers to go up. He's only thinking

of himself because he's a greedy whining fucked up little boy. some of those nations refused to jump on the "we hate iraq" bandwagon and so now he's letting his personal feelings keep him from doing what's best for the country.

he needs to fucking RESIGN and get the hell out of the way so a real leader can take over.. actually, he and dick should both resign.. cheney in charge would be even scarier (can you say $10/gallon?)

[TK421]

15. Hey! I didn't see Poland in there...you forgot Poland!

:eyes:

[SammyWinstonJack]

23. hee hee

:evilgrin:

[TK421]

24. They were supposed to supply us with kielbasa and sauerkraut

and TONS of it!

[sniffa]

16. surprised? he refused offers of assistance on iraq too

most LikeLy the very same countries, offered to heLp train iraqi poLice forces - we turned them down; NATO member states offered to guard the syrian border - we turned them down.

it's just more of the same.

i suspect it has more to do with covering up corruption/Lies than anything.

[MildyRules]

19. Have "we" turned down

aid? I'd like to see something credible on this...too late, the meme is out there.

[sniffa]

26. maybe foxnews wiLL cover it

[MildyRules]

34. You consider Fox credible??

LMAO. Wow!

[Name removed]

35. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[MildyRules]

36. I didn't post

bogus info nor make any unsupported claims. My credibility is not at issue. Just your gullibility.

[sniffa]

38. yeah, the US wouLd never turn down offers of assistance

out of pride, greed, or whatever fucked up justification for it.

siLLy guLLibLe me.

at Least i'm not one of those chumps who thinks bush Lied us into a war, and is stiLL Lying to us.

[MildyRules]

41. What offer has been turned down?

How about resorting to fact? You got the lie about the war right; no gullibility there. You're out on a limb on the other.

[sniffa]

42. on what other?

you're teLLing me the iraq war was a Lie? buLLshit. don't be so guLLibLe.

[MildyRules]

44. If you don't think it was

that's your call. Have a nice day. I can't converse with someone who doesn't use facts and relies on rumor as "talking points.".

[sniffa]

46. backatcha

[txaslftist]

53. Sniffa? Who has taken control of your computer?

Where's my friend Sniffa?

Did you drug him, or something?

What you been sniffin, sniffa?

[AlCzervik]

20. The real coalition of the willing.

[gate of the sun]

21. this really bothers me

actually sending a cold chill into my soul. WHAT? I can't fathom this.

[MildyRules]

25. Neither can I

This sounds like total BS to me.

[sniffa]

33. why?

expLain your skepticism.

[MildyRules]

37. One

source from a proved lunatic. That's the root of my skepticism. Explain your gullibility.

[Name removed]

40. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[MildyRules]

43. Who says I don't believe it might

be true? You're acting as if it's a proved fact.

You still haven't shown any evidence...

[txaslftist]

55. Whew...Sniffa's back.

[sniffa]

58. i never Left

;)

[txaslftist]

62. I figured that out.

I was looking at your posts (ironically) without detecting the sarcasm. That's ironic because I never use the :sarcasm: tag myself, assuming Democrats will be smart enough to pick up on it.

Arrrrgh. Hoisted upon my own petard!

[meganmonkey]

22. Ooooh, that makes me sooooo mad!!!!

:grr: :mad: :grr: :mad: :grr: :mad: :grr: :mad: :grr: :mad:

:nuke: :argh: :nuke: :argh: :nuke: :argh: :nuke: :argh:

[sunnystarr]

27. I'll reserve judgement until I see a reliable source on this one ... (nt)

[-..__...]

29. Same here.

It reads like something from "The Weekly World News".

China?

Iran?

Russia? (they haven't been able to afford to take care of their own people for some time now).

[Dorian Gray]

39. Yeah...

I'm curious about the source, as well. I hope it's not true.

[halobeam]

28. Okay... so I need you to show me the obvious....

what sources are saying they offered these things and what sources are saying we denied these offers?

Am I missing these reliable sources in this thread? I'm not saying it doesn't "sound" like this inept administration, but with something like this, and many specifics offered in your OP, I would hope you can help me find these reliable sources of both the offers and the denial of them.

TIA.

[MildyRules]

31. Why do that?

Ranting without facts is much more popular than waiting for credible evidence.

[Name removed]

30. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[MildyRules]

32. Thanks!

Good work!

[ck4829]

45. Only take this with a grain of salt

The author of this story, as unusual as he may be, still has more credibility than the Bush Maladministration, IMO.

[Jecks]

48. "She" is a "He"

n/t

[bertha katzenengel]

47. I'm not accepting that column as proof.

Give me something else.

[halobeam]

49. Neither am I, however, post #30 had stated this was bogus and

provided links debunking it. I hadn't copied it, and now this post is deleted, so I don't know what to think.

However, I still need reliable sources for this, before I can swallow this very large pill.

[bertha katzenengel]

54. It said that Sorcha Faal is a penname for David *blank* -- Broom?

Bloom? I don't remember the last name -- and that he is a Chicken Little nut job all about the end of the earth.

The site that post linked to was at whatdoesitmean.com but I can't get any records to come up on whois.net.

[halobeam]

57. A snip from the article on that site.....

snip.."All of these offers, and more, the Military Leaders of the United States have declined, and for the their previously stated reason: “The United States Government and its People Respectfully Decline your offer of assistance and refer you to our previous State Department Bulletin (NCO:13788) in which we had stated that this remains an internal action.” ...

is this NCO:13788 something to rely on? is it credible? I have no clue how to search this State Dept. Bulletin... it would seem to me, if credible and dated current, it might have validity to it, but needs more investigation by someone who can understand this, I wish I was the right person, but I am not.

[Jecks]

59. I have no idea why.....

My post debunking the source was deleted.

The real name of Sorcha Faal is David Booth.

You can google him and find out for yourself if he is credible.

I won't repost what I originally wrote because I don't know what it was that I posted that triggered the deletion.

I am just as ready as the next person to blast that boob Bu$h but sourcing people like "Sorcha Faal" is bad.

[bertha katzenengel]

61. "The real name of Sorcha Faal is David Booth."

How do you know this? All I'm getting from Google is ethereal links between the names.

[Jecks]

65. I provided the link...

...it was removed.

Google Sorca Faal again and it should be one of the last hits on the first page. If you continue on for a few pages you will see tons of stuff debunking Sorcha Faal.

[d-artignan]

51. I'm sorry to put some question marks about the validity of the story

> Holland has offered the resources of their Public Works Ministry

I'm from Holland and this my first post, but I need to set this part straight, because it doesn't make sense. There is no such thing as the "Public Works Ministry". At best it is a very strange description from VROM ( http://international.vrom.nl ) which would translate to Spatial Planning, Housing and Environment.

The problem is that water management is part of Verkeer and Waterstaat (translated: Traffic and Watership or Department of Transport). Evacuations however are always carried out by the military like everywhere else. There are been some breaches in dykes in the past and the military make the temporary closings.

I've checked the sites of those ministeries and there is no mentioning about New Orleans help, so I'm sceptical about the validity of the above report especially with the Iran part.

[xxqqqzme]

52. we were discussng this last night.

Remember when disasters in Russia or China would B denied or played down and offers of assistance refused. Oh yea, we're there.

[Horse with no Name]

56. This was expected

The richest country shouldn't need help.
It's a matter of pride.
It allowed the other countries to be gracious, and allowed us to maintain pride.
This is how its works.
Everything else was just a RW talking point.

[Solly Mack]

64. the US turned down the Nederlands?

but they know how to maintain areas below sea level and make them productive cities...they know how to re-build such a city after major flooding.

it takes a lot of FALSE and misplaced pride to turn down the Nederlands in these circumstances.

[Pacifist Patriot]

66. From what I understand this does not come from a reliable source.

I'm trying to find what I can and have no found anything credible yet regarding refusal of aid.