Does the situation in New Orleans make anyone else think of 9/11?

[UrbScotty]

I don't know exactly why, but the chaos that has taken place in New Orleans seems to remind me of what happened in New York four years ago.

Again, I can't seem to figure out why, especially since this was a natural disaster, the damage is more widespread, and yet fewer people have died (so far).

[seabeyond]

1. so much. getting mroe so. the reminding of bush admin

gone hidden. others had to do. yes

just 5 years later, all org hollowed out from lack of funds, so worse. 5 years olf lack of leadership.

[Skidmore]

2. It seems worse somehow.

It has not ended, and the water keeps coming so that more damage is done.

[RPM]

3. This is the kind of widespread panic and dislocation i expected on 9/11

luckily, then, it never materialized. this is :scared:

[Search Party]

4. I personally think this will end up being worse

on many different levels. This will take a long time to right, if it can be.

Then we can claim, "Well, everything changed after Katrina."

[Mass]

5. I hope you are right, but the fact is that nobody knows how many people

died.

NO mayor said that they have not started tallying the dead and that the priority was on saving the livings (which seems to be a very good idea).

In MS, one county had at least 100 dead people.

It will probably be very long before we know how many people lost their lives, but I really hope you are right.

[Hugin]

6. Multiply 9/11 by 650 and I'd agree...

The scale of the disaster in N.O. is much larger.

[JustSayNO 2 Sheeples]

7. It will seem even more so like 9/11 when...

.... the lying, thieving * shows up next week and poses for several pictures with victims and rescuers with the American flag flying in the background.

Those pictures will be shoved down our throat for the next few years to show how wonderful * is.

[shance]

8. HAARP - why Americans need to know about this weather project

The Ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction:
by Michel Chossudovsky

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO409F.html

Environmental warfare is defined as the intentional modification or manipulation of the natural ecology, such as climate and weather, earth systems such as the ionosphere, magnetosphere, tectonic plate system, and/or the triggering of seismic events (earthquakes) to cause intentional physical, economic, and psycho-social, and physical destruction to an intended target geophysical or population location, as part of strategic or tactical war." (Eco News)


What are the underlying causes of extreme weather instability, which has ravaged every major region of the World in the course of the last few years?

Hurricanes and tropical storms have ravaged the Caribbean. Central Asia and the Middle East are afflicted by drought. West Africa is facing the biggest swarm of locusts in more than a decade. Four destructive hurricanes and a tropical rain storm Alex, Ivan, Frances, Charley and Jeanne have occurred in a sequence, within a short period of time. Unprecedented in hurricane history in the Caribbean, the island of Grenada was completely devastated: 37 people died and roughly two-thirds of the island's 100,000 inhabitants have been left homeless; in Haiti, more than two thousand people have died and tens of thousands are homeless. The Dominican Republic, Jamaica, Cuba, the Bahamas and Florida have also been devastated. In the US, the damage in several Southern states including Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi and the Carolinas is the highest in US history.

A study released in July 2003, by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) places the blame, without further examination, at the feet of global warming:

"These record extreme events all go into calculating the monthly and annual averages which, for temperatures, have been gradually increasing over the past 100 years," the WMO said in its statement (CNN, July 3, 2003, http://www.cnn.com/2003/WEATHER/07/03/wmo.extremes/ )

While global warming is undoubtedly an important factor, it does not fully account for these extreme and unusual weather patterns.

Weather Warfare

The significant expansion in America's weather warfare arsenal, which is a priority of the Department of Defense is not a matter for debate or discussion. While, environmentalists blame the Bush administration for not having signed the Kyoto protocol, the issue of "weather warfare", namely the manipulation of weather patterns for military use is never mentioned.

The US Air Force has the capability of manipulating climate either for testing purposes or for outright military-intelligence use. These capabilities extend to the triggering of floods, hurricanes, droughts and earthquakes. In recent years, large amounts of money have been allocated by the US Department of Defense to further developing and perfecting these capabilities.

Weather modification will become a part of domestic and international security and could be done unilaterally... It could have offensive and defensive applications and even be used for deterrence purposes. The ability to generate precipitation, fog, and storms on earth or to modify space weather, ... and the production of artificial weather all are a part of an integrated set of technologies which can provide substantial increase in US, or degraded capability in an adversary, to achieve global awareness, reach, and power. (US Air Force, emphasis added. Air University of the US Air Force, AF 2025 Final Report, http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/ emphasis added)

While there is no firm evidence that the US Air Force weather warfare facilities have been deliberately applied to modify weather patterns, one would expect that if these capabilities are being developed for military use, they would at least be the object of routine testing, much in the same way as the testing of new conventional and strategic weapons systems.

Needless to say, the subject matter is a scientific taboo. The possibility of climatic or environmental manipulations as part of a military and intelligence agenda, while tacitly acknowledged, is never considered as relevant. Military analysts are mute on the subject. Meteorologists are not investigating the matter, and environmentalists are strung on global warming and the Kyoto protocol.

Ironically, the Pentagon, while recognizing its ability to modify the World's climate for military use, has joined the global warming consensus. In a major study (pdf) , the Pentagon has analyzed in detail the implications of various global warming scenarios.

The Pentagon document constitutes a convenient cover-up. Not a word is mentioned about its main weather warfare program: The High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) based in Gokona, Alaska --jointly managed by the US Air Force and the US Navy.

[oasis]

9. In 2001 Bush had not yet reduced America to third world status. Our

resources are now stretched to the limit with Bush's wasteful Iraq war.

[G_j]

10. lets go bomb the hell out of someone!

kill, kill, kill!!!

What, Bush not grandstanding on this one? Can't figure how to blame it on Iran?

[Hugin]

12. I'm sure the wheels of blame are rolling...

This can not pass without at least a little "comfort bombing".

[G_j]

17. "comfort bombing" also known as the myth of

"redemptive violence"

[elehhhhna]

11. only in that i know I don't "get it" yet. too big. seems like a movie.

[JHB]

13. You mean that "deer in the headlights" "What do you expect ME to do" vibe?

Right now he's planning to bomb Saddam in retaliation.

[bertha katzenengel]

14. Nope. At least with today's disaster, help isn't standing by helpless

to do anything.

[theboss]

15. No, 9/11 made sense in a weird sort of way

Bad people attacked us, buildings fell, there were heroes, there villians, etc.

And there also appeared to be leadership and a plan with Guiliani in NY. Within a few hours, friends and I were already talking about how it happened, what the response in NY should be, and who we were going to end up bombing (I was in favor of Saudi Arabia; others voted for Pakistan. Afghanistan was on the list but seemed like small potatoes. We are all liberals but not pussies).

Natural disasters are random and largely inexplicable. It's not clear what can be done. And it's not clear who (if anyone) is in charge down there. 9/11 was a modern event. This is a Biblical event.

[pointblank]

16. Oh where are you Mr Bushie.....??

We need to come to the rescue and save the day, so we can all get behind you....






Oh, where are you Mr Bushie???

[Crowdance]

18. Absolutely. Having flashbacks.

The sense of panic and bewilderment are returning. My fear that September was that chaos would descend; it didn't. I think it's because as a nation we still had some starch in us; the bushboys have washed that right out of us by now. I think NO is more typical of what does happen when horror strikes, and our government is just too weak to deal with it.

[Spangle]

19. Looks alot the same. But the response is Different from the WH. WHY?

The only difference is that 9/11 was an attack. Everything else is the same. Maybe even worse. Both events are a shock to the people. A great many dead or dying.

9/11 we had people hanging out of windows waving to be saved. Now we have them on roof tops waving to be saved. In both cases, time is running out. The whole Nation and World is watching in horror.

Hero's riskig their lives!

In both cases there were things that could have been done, should have been done to either prevent or lesson the extent of the damage. It was considered to costly and the "risk" was worth ignoring it.

In both cases CLINTON had programs or policys in place that would have made a difference. IN BOTH cases Bush ignored and ended Clintons efforts.

We may see more deaths and injury from this then we seen from 9/11. Worse, because many could have been saved. Bush ending Clinton's Disaster Mitigation Program was a DEADLY mistake.

FEMA under the direction of Homeland Security is a Failure. This is Bush's pride and Joy. We are SEEING how well that plan works. It doesn't.

9/11 Bush stepped up the the plate publicly, because he WANTED to go to war. He seen the event as an excuse to carry out his ALREADY Planned War.

The Airlines is a major issue. Airlines loosing money and going out of business isn't a good thing.

The oil industry... Bush isn't worried about them going out of business. We will continue to buy oil. The looses that the Oil Industry that they will experence this week will be passed directly onto the consumer. The Airline industry couldn't depend on consumers to carry the cost. Consumers were running away.

This has the same emotional impact as 9/11. But the Business that BUSH worrys about.. will come out fine. And THAT is reallly all that BUSH is worried about.