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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:42 AM
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2 people died in the hospital because of GWB !!!!
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 11:46 AM by steve2470
they died because of no electricity at Charity Hospital on cnn now
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:43 AM
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1. It's only going to get worse
:(
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OhioGirl Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:45 AM
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2. How did GWB do that? He turned of the juice? unplug 'em?
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:51 AM
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7. oh good grief. go do your homework nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:53 AM
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:55 AM
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13. No, he unplugged the hurricane relief funding
And the funding to strenghthen the levies in NO.

Then he unplugged his telephone when the mayor of NO was trying to contact him for help.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:23 PM
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52. Acutually he did in a round about way. But Faux snooze won't tell you
that.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:25 PM
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58. Welcome to DU!
Enjoy your stay.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:45 AM
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3. My neighbor's nephew was in a bad car accident on Sun. night
and broke his back. He is in a small hospital in Pascagoula. He needs surgery and may not live - he is 21 years old. My neighbor hasn't heard from her family. They live in Gulfport 4 miles north of the I-10.

(We are in CA. She hasn't been able to reach anyone since early Mon. morning).
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:12 PM
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32. This is all so horrible
I hate all this. Damn Bush for cutting all this funding. :mad:
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coffeenap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:13 PM
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34. Oh, how horrible. Empathy to you and your family. nt
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whichside_nys Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:45 AM
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4. "2 people died in trhe hospital because of GWB !!!!" ???
So clarify for me how GWB was the cause of their death?
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:49 AM
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5. Because he's a rotten low-life coward, chickenhawk
that deserted from Vietnam and everything this miserable excuse for a human being has touched since he "took" office has turned our country to *. Good enough for you.
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OhioGirl Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:53 AM
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11. And that turns off Electricity?
Look, hating Bush is one thing, but just flapping silly comments about it's Bush fault that causes the power to fail after a level 4 hurricane just sounds loony.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:54 AM
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:01 PM
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20. What bush has failed to do ever since he "took"
office is the big problem here and in others cases. Hating bush? You damned right I do for the all the terrible, awful things he has done to our country, to our military, to our fellow man. I cannot think of a bigger scumbag that ever excisted.
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:06 PM
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27. It's not about "hating" Bush. It's about knowing that everything
about him is a lie, that he's an incompetent fuck, and the people who put him where he is have jellybrains. That, in a time of crisis, that we don't have an inspirational leader, that the GOP program relies on dividing the country for its success, that our infrastructure fails while we're prancing around in the Middle East, and that that dumb, incompetent fucker can't scramble fucking planes, or organize a sandbag drop, or fight a war, or pretend that he gives a shit.

No, he didn't stand there and flip a switch that cut power in New Orleans, but his incompetence has made this situation far worse than it needed to be. The tax monies that are being handed out the back of trucks to contractors and the fucking Mossad in the Middle East, could provide a hell of a lot of resources. And our soldiers, who could be helping OUR PEOPLE, right now, are dying in a stupid idealistic war, crafted by the INTELLECTUAL RIGHT WING, which believes their suck-up, ignorant, backwater supporters need to be lied to. And that, if they tell the right lies, those idiots will lick it up -- dress it in some purty words, some fear and some jingo, and they'll put a ribbon on their SUV, and baaaaa like a bunch of dumb fucking sheep.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:10 PM
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:18 PM
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42. It's not hate.
It's nothing more than practicality. He's an incompetent, unfeeling, chickenhawk fake, and small, ignorant people put him where he is. Those who are connected to reality, at least, and not pretending that Katrina was shaped like a fetus.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:22 PM
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51. Welcome to DU!
Enjoy your stay.
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:21 PM
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47. Pardon me, but I don't feel that these people sound looney
It's all right for you to be a Bush appologist, but for crying out loud, I've read several places on the internet where Bush had cut out the aid for New Orleans, and that's probably why they're feeling frustrated with him. :shrug: :cry: This is such a disaster and so tough on everyone.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:24 PM
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:58 AM
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17. Not to mention a Connecticut "Cowboy" elitist that
doesn't give a rat's ass about his own lap-dog, knuckle-dragging supporters, let alone the poor of New Orleans. He's King Dung. Everything he touches turns to shit.
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whichside_nys Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:00 PM
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19. quite a response
easy now.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:52 AM
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8. go do your homework. i'm not goiing to draw you a map nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:55 AM
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whichside_nys Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:02 PM
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21. probably not
but I figured I had a pretty good question, your short fuse
to any sort of rational question is the only answer I need though.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:03 PM
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23. Well if you turned Faux off long enough during this
You would know your answer.
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whichside_nys Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:06 PM
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26. not my problem
I guess my problem is that I don't watch msm, but you can draw
any conclusion that you'd like if it makes it easier for you.
I'm still waiting to find a rational response to a rational
question. I guess you would be the wrong person to look to.
Sorry to work you up.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:15 PM
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whichside_nys Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:21 PM
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50.  I have got the answer since I posted that.
Easy, take it easy. I'm not working on the fastest computer
here. So I guess I'll stop being "ignorant" with my slow pc
and get back to work. Sorry for stirring up your afternoon.
Well it's afternoon here in NYS. Got to go.
Later
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:57 AM
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whichside_nys Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:17 PM
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38. I get quite a lot of reading in.
But I guess since we both aren't on the same wave length,
that makes me uneducated and clueless. If that's what it
is then I'll take it, because I'm not full of hate for
people who ask questions. I sleep well at night. My fault
sorry. I am very intrigued by this place though. Have read
here for a while and finally decided to get a screen name
and post. A great welcome it was indeed
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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:21 PM
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48. delete
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 12:22 PM by JimmyJazz
I'm staying out of this one. :)


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whichside_nys Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:23 PM
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54. thanks
thanks again, got to get back to work. See you here again
sometime.

Later
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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:24 PM
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56. sorry for deleting my post on you.
I just need to take a break from this for a while.
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:24 PM
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57. Look, questions ARE appreciated
And you make a good point -- of course, the argument, on its face that "Bush killed two people because of electricity," seems a little fallacious, or exaggerated. However, the truth is that Bush has been responsible for the killing of tens of thousands of people, and this is simply one more episode in his incompetency, misdirection, and complete lack of care for the American people.

You ask the right question, but, in a way that seems antagonistic, or, uh, "freeper-ish." For instance, calling my critique "hate," when the evidence is there for everything I wrote. It's not a figment of my imagination like Mammon Jeebus or al Qaeda at the bottom of every DQ Blizzard. It's a critique.

By the way, I'm a libertarian, and I've lasted here for a year and four months. I lasted at FR, exactly two weeks. Right-wing authoritarians are not kind to libertarian thought. Many people here are more open minded -- slow down, a little, and take a deep breath. Remember that tensions are running high, because of the hurricane, and because of the state of our country, and because we're fighting a war with an approval rating in the 20s, under a commander in chump that has approval ratings in the mid-30s.
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:14 PM
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35. Reading comprehension doesn't work for trolls.
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 12:33 PM by IdaBriggs
As everyone knows, they are usually the most ignorant and ill-informed. "Disaster Mitigation" is something they do not understand. "Gutting FEMA" is something they do not understand. "Sending high water vehicles to Iraq with 50% of the National Guard" is something they do not understand.

No one can control the weather, but the response to it is something that GOOD JUDGMENT takes into account. "Cutting the funds for standard repair of the levees" is NOT good judgment.

George W. Bush is responsible for every single unnecessary death in New Orleans because "the buck stops there" -- and if he isn't doing everything humanly possible to mitigate the damages both BEFORE AND AFTER (go read some of the Greatest page for how he dismantled the "before" stuff), then we can only hope that our collective hate makes his head explode.

Now, rather than sit here and try to irritate the educated liberals, why don't you go give some blood or something? Right now, there's a lot of us pissed off at your ... ilk ... and courtesy is not something we want to waste our time on when you are so obviously a part of the problem instead of the solution.

ON EDIT: Spell Check is Your Friend! Doh!
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:20 PM
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44. Best Response Yet!!!
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 12:31 PM by leftchick
go Ida! I hope someone reads it....
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whichside_nys Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:27 PM
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59. I will for the day
I'm going back to work and maybe I will go give some blood.
Take it easy. Just remember you shouldn't try to look to deep
into things and try to find an enemy that's not their.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:30 PM
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61. okay, too much information is dangerous right?
:eyes:
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:49 AM
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6. the hospital has been abandoned
the staff is locked up inside, no electricity, no running water. Patients are dying, the staff has been there since Sunday without relief, don't know how their own families are, no phones. A nightmare.
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:52 AM
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9. Please explain how GWB caused the power to go out at Charity Hospital
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:56 AM
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15. go do your homework, i 'm not going to draw you a map nt
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HadItUpToHere Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:04 PM
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25. well there's a very intelligent answer...
not.

i don't like the guy either, but it's completely ludicrous to claim that these people's death are the fault of gwb.

blind hatred is an ugly thing...
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:13 PM
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33. Do my homework?
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 12:17 PM by Lecky
WTF are you talking about :rofl:? You are the one who posted this tidbit of information therefore shouldn't you be explaining your case? I am watching CNN same as you and I don't see how you came to your conclusion. While I'm not impressed with Bush's response (or lack of) to this horrible tragedy, I don't understand how he has any power over a hospital's generators going out.



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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:18 PM
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40. It's called cutting funding
I'm sure you've heard of it.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:59 AM
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18. The fact that he cut funding for the levees last year is a place to start
and his buttheaded ignorance toward science. But I agree with the folks asking the OP to back up the sweeping statement s/he made and spell out how GWB caused the power in the hospital to go out.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:02 PM
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22. This is so fucking obvious
If GWB was doing a GOOD job

the national guard would be there in force...those patients would have been airlifted out. For jesus christ, go do your homework and CONNECT THE FUCKING DOTS
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:08 PM
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28. Damn Steve
This thread really shined the light on some "visitors"
:)
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whichside_nys Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:12 PM
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31. it did
If you don't have a canned reply full of hate for gwb
than your watching FAUX and your clueless and blah blah
blah. Maybe I'm just not as pissed as you.
My fault
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:16 PM
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37. Then you haven't been paying attention
If you truly want to know why the fault of this lies at the feet of our incompetent President, then take time to read this.
I just have a hard time believing that anyone who really wanted information would bypass the hundreds of threads on this same subject and delve straight into this one.
However--here is the proof of where the blame lies. Bush is responsible for each and every death--from the drownings, to the evacuees, to the looters. He put this city straight in the crosshairs for this disaster by cutting needed funding--even after city officials BEGGED him not to.
But you forget--or don't want to acknowledge--that New Orleans voted for Kerry. His petty partisanship killed people.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4493298&mesg_id=4493298
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:49 PM
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66. ..
:thumbsup:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:36 PM
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62. more like if you don't want to know how your idiot king FUCKED
LA with the funding cuts to the Army Corps of Engineers then you will never know the truth. Have you even looked at the threads showing how idiot face has decimated FEMA and the ACE and the NG in LA??? The IRAQ WAR is all he wanted. NOT protecting the USA from anything.

I did not think so.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:20 PM
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45. I don't disagree with you
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 12:27 PM by kineta
I just think you are being lazy in your posts. You should explain what you mean, not just repeat 'do your homework' over and over. It's bad communication and seems like you are trying to start a flame-war.

on edit: i'm sorry Steve, i didn't realize you were the same person who's been posting all those breaking news threads. you have done plenty to explain your position. maybe some links to other posts would help the people who don't get the connection though.
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booksenkatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:04 PM
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24. Aw, be fair, steve2470
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 12:05 PM by patsified
Bushit was going on advice from Condiliar. She said that the weather forecast -- "Katrina determined to strike Gulf coast" -- was just a historical piece of information. If only they could have imagined that Katrina was really going to strike, if they only could have had the exact coordinates, I'm sure that * would have done everything in his power to prepare for it.
:crazy:

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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:18 PM
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43. Best. Post. Evah.
:)
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coffeenap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:17 PM
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39. Steve2470 has been giving us vital information for at least
the last 48 hours. We need to respect the work he has done to keep us informed. Please, take your fight to someone else. Thank you Steve2470 and best wishes. Please, take some time to rest.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:41 PM
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63. Thank you. Soon I have to go do some business work.
Forgive me if I get overemotional but I do believe that GWB has at least contributed to the severity of this disaster.
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coffeenap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:44 PM
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64. You are right--no apologies needed. It is not the time for "guests"
to come here and fight. It just reeks of bad judgment. Please, take care of yourself. You must be exhausted--physically and emotionally.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:18 PM
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41. I just heard the NPR report. IT IS BAD!
They have water on the first floor and have moved all of the patients to the top. Their generators have run out of diesel fuel.
They did manage to transfer many ICU babies out. OMG!

Fuck You Bush... :cry:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:21 PM
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46. Ugh
Disgusting. And what is Bush doing now? I'm sure he's really helping. He's given us the big "Fuck you" since he first came into office in 2000. :mad: Those poor people. :( I'm glad they at least got the babies out okay. :cry:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:23 PM
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53. can you imagine how the parents of these babies are doing?
if they are alive? :cry:
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NervousRex Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:21 PM
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49. That's funny...
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:27 PM
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60. Hmmm.....
:popcorn:
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:45 PM
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65. You all seem to have no idea how crazy that sounds.
If you make an outlandish statement like that and don't back it up with some relevant facts, then you just look like a partisan fruitbat. If, when asked for those facts, you simply respond with insults, you look even more like a damn nutcake. Don't mind me though, I don't have to like what anyone says here. By all means continue choir practice if it helps you get thru the day. At least you aren't going on about the fucking "looters"...
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:49 PM
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67. Curse W and his weather machine
I'm sorry...but what?
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:53 PM
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68. Doing your homework means reading this post and then reading more
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 03:00 PM
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69. Locking....
This has turned inflammatory.
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