Where is the red cross for the people in and around the superdome?

[Tyranny_R_US]

I'm watching fox news these poor people are just roaming around without food without water some look emaciated from the lack of nourishment.

[AlCzervik]

1. can the redcross get to the area yet? Is there water around the area?

[Tyranny_R_US]

3. The national guard can, the media can, hundreds of school buses can...

[bribri16]

63. Not just the Red Cross but why are all those military trucks passing them?

Each truck should be loaded with water is nothing else. Who is in charge? Hell, our military used to throw cigaretts and candy to folks standing on the roadside in Viet Nam.

[Spazito]

2. The American Red Cross has 200 shelters they are already

looking after, it seems they are doing all they can.

[Tyranny_R_US]

5. I'm asking about the poor people roaming around the superdome

You clearly don't see them see them anywhere around the dome and days have passed

[Spazito]

8. The Red Cross was not put in charge of the Super Dome

they were put in charge of the 200 shelters. The National Guard and others have the responsibility for the Dome.

[Tyranny_R_US]

9. Its not about who is in charge FFS they could come if they wanted to

Its not like the national guard is going to turn them away.

[Spazito]

11. That is ridiculous! They CANNOT just show up, there is areas of

responsibility each has and the Red Cross has it's hands full dealing with the areas of responsibility that it already has. Canada has sent down 150 sheltering experts to help out because the American Red Cross doesn't have enough to cover the scope of the disaster. You seem to forget it is not just NO that was hit and in need of shelter and support from the Red Cross.

[Tyranny_R_US]

12. Looks like the people out of NO are receiving their aid and...

thats the problem the red cross is everywhere but NO, specifically around the superdome where help is needed.

[Spazito]

13. I suggest you inform yourself by going to the Red Cross website

I think you will find you are very wrong. The Red Cross is in NO, at schools that were used as shelters, etc. From their site:

The Red Cross is mobilizing every available resource from across the country including thousands of staff and volunteers to respond to this storm. Red Cross volunteers and donors are neighbors helping neighbors.

Volunteers are already on the ground staffing shelters for tens of thousands of people in five states—Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Texas.

The Red Cross is launching the largest mobilization of resources for a single natural domestic disaster, in part because the extent of the damage is so widespread over a large geographical area. New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin including sending nearly 1,900 staff and volunteers into the field in the next few days, and sending more than 250 Emergency Response Vehicles (ERVs) out to provide food and water to affected residents.

http://www.redcross.org/

[Tyranny_R_US]

15. All I hear is "we're working on it" but you never see them...

Babies are dying in their mothers arms and they are no-where to be found, these people don't need help a week from now they need it now also you keeping bringing up that they are staffing shelters around the area, last time I heard the Superdome is a shelter.

[Spazito]

17. Yes, it is a shelter but not one that is the Red Cross's responsibility

You don't seem to understand but I will try again. The Red Cross is currently looking after FORTY THOUSAND victims in various shelters, should they just say, oops, have to desert you because the National Guard, the president, etc, aren't doing their part so we have to abandon you to look after the 25, 000 in the dome?

"There were about 40,000 people in Red Cross shelters, and officials say it could be weeks or months before most of them will be able to return home."

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1125454082610_27/?hub=CTVNewsAt11

[One_Life_To_Give]

18. State should be coordinating

The state should have it's own Incident Command Center in Baton Rouge coordinating all efforts. Prioritizing where all of the different rescue resources are sent. Remeber the 25,ooo at the superdome are conveinient to photograph since they are all in one place. But there may well be over a half million victims located outside of NOLA.

[Texasgal]

21. "Babies are dying in their Mothers's arms?"

Really? At the superdome? Can you provide a link?

[Tyranny_R_US]

22. A reporter mentioned that on MSNBC I believe

I know fox news mentioned that a man caring a baby covered in a white sheet.

Edit: Did you see this woman holding her limp exhausted child on fox news?

[Texasgal]

23. Sorry...

I don't watch Faux. Give me a link, I might believe you.

* There is no doubt that the folks at the superdome are suffering, however, they are being moved from what I understand. I also understand that there are still people stuck on their rooftops. I think that may take priority.

[Tyranny_R_US]

24. Maybe you should Shep Smith has been doing a pretty good job...

anyway you don't have to believe me but it was mentioned, you could see it on live TV (FOX) and you will see more of it in the coming days here but here is a discussion about it on DU.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4530773

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[Tyranny_R_US]

27. ...

Have a wonderful day, I'm not going to debate which station to watch with you my first concern is the poor people roaming around the superdome without food,water,hope or anything else and oh yeah dying children in their arms.

[Texasgal]

28. So, your first concern is the dead

and or dying and your posting messages from your comfy computer chair? Really?

[Tyranny_R_US]

31. Exactly

I've given my blood I've given my last $75 and some cents to the red cross and now I'm making sure my efforts are put to good use, by the way I'm sitting on a cheap lawn chair which cost $7 I wouldnt call it "comfy" or a "computer chair" for that matter.

[Texasgal]

33. Well that's just great!

Wonderful that you donated. Alot of us have. Sitting around in your "comfy" computer chair criticizing the relief efforts while watching FAUX news makes me awfully suspect of your true motives.

And yes.. I am sure that many in NO would love to have that lawn chair, anything you are sitting in is alot more "comfy" than what those folks have right now.

[Tyranny_R_US]

36. I would donate this chair to them but who is going to give it to them

If I went to the red cross they would ask for more money, if I tried to drive down there I doubt I would get past the checkpoints but again I've done what I can possibly can given the circumstances its up to the red cross now and they arent doing anything.

As for your comments about fox news put the past politics aside atleast they have shown the ugly truth (for once) down there unlike CNN who still is concerned about looting but this is my last comment to you about fox news.

[Misunderestimator]

40. CNN also shows the ugly truth down there. Why would anyone

turn to FOX news knowing what an unreliable source of information it is. And why are you here criticizing the Red Cross and not our government for having tied up all our troops and most of our National Guard in Iraq?

[Tyranny_R_US]

42. CNN seems to be stuck on looting and calling people who stayed around

idiots but I'm not going to defend fox news nor am I going to beg anyone to watch it thats their choice.

"And why are you here criticizing the Red Cross"

1. because I can and I want them do address the suffering at the superdome.

"and not our government"

2. I have been very critical of Bush in this thread and other threads just do a search for my name and by all means please copy/paste all the posts you find in this thread if you have to.

[Misunderestimator]

44. That's not what I see... And I've had it on all day.

1. I want the authorities in charge of addressing the suffering at the superdome to address the suffering at the superdome.

2. I have seen you criticize the Red Cross first and foremost. In fact, this entire thread YOU started is about blaming the Red Cross. If you have criticized the president, then it is inconsequential, given your focus on the Red Cross.

(Oh, and by the way, out of curiosity, I turned on that vile network yesterday, and they were MUCH MORE focused on the looting than CNN was.)

[Tyranny_R_US]

55. Obviously you missed a large chunk of Shepard Smiths report...

1. I'm not talking about the crap reporting on now made by some dick-head reporter sitting in his cool studio in new york or washington dc.

2. Again and again and again whats wrong with being critical of the red cross after all their are they one who claimed they are on the scene helping victims in their latest commercials yet dozens if not hundreds of people are starving at "the shelter of last resort" and they haven't sent one ounce of help to those people.

[Misunderestimator]

57. But you keep associating your criticism with the Superdome...

and you keep ignoring that they have no jurisdiction. It's WEIRD that you are criticizing them in that context. REALLY REALLY WEIRD.

[Spazito]

64. Not really, it seems Faux is pushing this new meme, blame the

Red Cross to divert the blame from their guy, bush. There is another Faux 'watcher' touting the same "Where is the Red Cross?" meme, sadly.

[Misunderestimator]

65. Aha! Then it is exactly as it seems.

Thanks... after yesterday, I had no stomach to watch anymore Fox filth.

[tblue37]

60. I believe that was on a highway--

an underpass or an overpass--not at the Superdome. There is a thread about it somewhere.

[Telly Savalas]

61. Whaa, whaa, whaa

http://www.redcross.org/donate/volunteer/

[tx_dem41]

14. Learn a little bit about the geography of New Orleans and the ..

geography of the Mississippi coastline.

[Tyranny_R_US]

16. Since you are such an expert why don't you give us a quick lession...

and explain how the media, buses and national guard can get into that area and the red cross can't.

[Suich]

4. I'm watching it, too.

Seems like a helicopter or something could get to the ramps with water, at the very least.

Hats off to Shepard Smith, at least for now.

[Daphne08]

10. Shepard Smith is begging that policewoman to help the people!

She doesn't seem to even understand!

[spuddonna]

6. WWL had a story how on I-10 there is a big shelter operating...

Red Cross is there feeding and caring for injured... like 50 ambulances, bunch of helicopters bringing in people who were stranded since Monday on their roofs!

[Daphne08]

7. I don't know but I cannot believe no one has given them

any water, food or even told them anything!

That one man was so sad... he said, "Just tell us where us to go."

[Tyranny_R_US]

19. The answer is always "we're working on it", "we're mobiliizing"

"we need donations" but you don't see them doing shit where help is needed.

[Suich]

20. CNN is covering it now. eom

[Swede]

25. Google is your friend.

The Red Cross deployed a few thousand volunteers and every emergency response vehicle it has in 48 states, a total of 166. A spokeswoman for the agency said it had already used more resources for this storm than it did for last year's entire hurricane season, when four hurricanes - Charley, Frances, Ivan and Jeanne - caused $44.1 billion in damages.



http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/29/national/29cnd-response.html?ex=1282968000&en=cb7ca278166fda78&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=%2fnm%2f20050831%2fts_nm%2fweather_katrina_charities_dc

[Tyranny_R_US]

29. Spokespeople for the most part BS like our President

I bet you won't this Spokesperson to address the issue at the superdome other than giving a generic statement about how many people they have in the area and thats inexcusable.

[Spazito]

30. Well I suggest you get off the computer, run down to your Red

Cross office and volunteer to go there otherwise it is all hot air, imo.

[Tyranny_R_US]

34. Its called caring but as I've stated in a previous post I have done my

part but I don't have be a volunteer to question the motives of those in charge of saving lives and feeding the hungry, just you like don't have to join the military and fight in iraq to question why we are there. I asked one simple question and all I've gotten is personal attacks and excuses as of we speak the poor people sitting in front of the superdome are still starving, still holding dying children and the red cross who I gave my last $75 to isnt doing shit in fact they won't even discuss those people.

[Spazito]

35. It seems to me you would be better to focus your anger on your federal

government rather than a volunteer organization that is already going full bore. It seems to me you are avoiding the fact that the president partied, ate birthday cake, was busy selling the Iraq war never mind fund raising for the republican party instead of showing ANY leadership in this.

[Tyranny_R_US]

37. Atleast you see the nation guard showing "some" presence there...

atleast see the coastguard plucking people off their roofs, atleast you see police officers hacking roofs to get people out of their attics the red cross on the other hand isnt doing shit for the people who need help.

[Spazito]

38. You have totally ignored all the facts regarding the Red Cross

that have been provided for you. I can only surmise this is the latest right-wing talking point since the 'where are the offers of help from other countries?' meme didn't work.

Your government has failed and failed miserably and thousands are dying because of it.

[Tyranny_R_US]

39. Show me one picture of the red cross assisting people around the dome

then I'll care about your facts (which I've read), Dismissing a discussion which questions those who can help but simply won't and then refuse to address the suffering as "right-wing talking point" or "meme" says alot about you.

When will the poor people at the dome get this type of assitance from the red cross?

[Misunderestimator]

41. Do you have yourself on a constant playback loop?

Have you read a single post on this thread of yours explaining the facts about the Red Cross to you? Are you so intent on trashing this volunteer organization and protecting your president that you simply don't read the answers to your questions?

:banghead:

[Tyranny_R_US]

45. ?

Why do people like you insist on ignoring the suffering, why do people like you make ever excuse in the book to defend the laziness of the red cross, why do people like you accuse people who don't see things your way as being freepers or defending the president, how is this different from a freep calling someone who doesn't like the president un-american?

[Misunderestimator]

46. People like me ignore suffering? WTF? Laziness of the Red Cross?

:rofl:

Uh... was that an answer to my question? Please... if you start a thread... READ THE DAMN ANSWERS.

[Tyranny_R_US]

49. I've read the answers

...and I've responded what more do you want, oh right you want me to lie and say the red cross is going out of their way to assist the poor people in and around the superdome. :rofl:

[Misunderestimator]

50. I want you to understand that the RED CROSS does NOT have jurisdiction.

Why are you obsessed with the Superdome? If you are interested in what the Red Cross is doing, talk about some shelter that they have jurisdiction over. This is like blaming Doctors Without Borders for the shape of things in Iraq.

[Suich]

48. Wow! I'm amazed how you're getting hammered so much

...on this one. I agree with you BTW. Shepard Smith was doing an excellent job trying to get those people at least some water. I thinks it's unfair to dismiss his report, just because it's on Faux.

[Misunderestimator]

51. Uh... I think you are on the wrong thread... this thread is where the Red

Cross is being blamed for not helping at the Superdome even though they have no jurisdiction there. It is also, therefore, the thread where we can passive-aggressively pretend that the government is not to blame for the lack of help (in the way of reduced National Guard presence). Isn't it fun?

You're thread is over here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4530773&mesg_id=4530773

It's similar, of course, because it is also written by an avid FAUX news fan. :eyes:

[Tyranny_R_US]

54. "it is also written by an avid FAUX news fan"

That is really low if you Misunderestimator to slander me as a fox news fan for being critical of the Red Cross.

[Misunderestimator]

56. Slander? LOL... You watch Fox news right?

[Tyranny_R_US]

59. Yes but how does that make me a fan?

Democrats can't watch fox times from time to time?

[Misunderestimator]

66. Progressives usually take Fox with a huge grain of salt...

and well understand it's right-wing slant. Don't you?

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[Misunderestimator]

68. Excuse me? I am "execrable" ??? Wow.

:rofl:

How on earth do I rate such derision? WOW. I'm impressed by your unmitigated hatred of me... who you don't even know. Wild.

:hi:

[momisold]

32. You know, we're working

with humans, and humans have their limits. YOU go work 48 hours solid trying to get supplies, get people to shelters, etc. etc. etc. and let's see how well you operate.

I love all the armchair quarterbacks.

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. Whyat I love is what is obviously a lack of a plan

that said, I have done the work, so I can say this shows a lack of a plan

[onenote]

47. emaciated? In two days?

People are hungry, they are sick, they need water, shelter, clothes. But I doubt anyone has become "emaciated" since Katrina hit. SOmetimes the hyperbole undermines the actual severity of the situation.

onenote

[Misunderestimator]

52. Yeah, I caught that too.

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[Beaverhausen]

58. Please stop trashing the Red Cross. Do you have any idea of the scope...

...of this tragedy? There are thousands of people spread out over hundreds of miles who aren't able to get help. They are doing all they can.

The Red Cross is always there for anyone in an emergency.

[Telly Savalas]

62. Congratufuckinglations!

Just when I thought it couldn't get any fucking worse, you've managed to sink the level of discourse here even lower. Fucking disgusting.