Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

GWB may have helped cause the Katrina disaster.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
PurgedVoter Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:22 PM
Original message
GWB may have helped cause the Katrina disaster.
His policies have definitely advanced global warming. When you put more energy into a weather system most models show more and more dramatic storms. We may be seeing many more disasters each year, because of greedy, short sighted energy, technology and industry policies.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:23 PM
Response to Original message
1. Totally right, but many dems do not get it either, unfortunately.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:27 PM
Response to Original message
2. He also may be more DIRECTLY responsible:
QUOTE:
"It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget
to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq,
and I suppose that's the price we pay.

Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished,
and we are doing everything we can to make the case
that this is a security issue for us."
-- Walter Maestri,
emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana;
New Orleans Times-Picayune, June 8, 2004
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:28 PM
Response to Original message
3. I don't doubt that he hasn't helped but more info please
I don't think global warming has occurred overnight. And Chimpy only has been prez since 2001. Is there data that shows that his actions or inactions have accelerated what was already a trend before he got into office? Again, I agree he hasn't done anything to address the problem, but I'd want to know whether there was any realistic way to "solve" the problem before I start overstating how much "blame" he deserves for this particular event. Particularly since there have been category 4 and 5 hurricanes for a long time.

onenote
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. Well said. Enough with the hyperbole
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:28 PM
Response to Original message
4. More directly responsible than that, actually. See below
NOLA Levee Construction Funds Diverted to Iraq War

As shocking as it may seem, The New Orleans Times-Picayune has reported that improvements on the very levees that have given way were never carried out because Army Corps of Engineers funds were diverted to fund *'s war in Iraq.

I normally do not repost other people's diaries from other sites, unless asked, but getting this news out is just too important. - Mark

Accountability for Lake New Orleans (Updated) http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/30/155725/944
by gfactor
Tue Aug 30th, 2005 at 12:57:25 PDT

SNIP

We can't hold anybody accountable for the hurricane that brought about this tragedy, but we can hold accountable the folks that didn't do all they could to possibly prevent a disaster like the levee breach. And this quote says it all:


"It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."

-- Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; New Orleans Times-Picayune, June 8, 2004


SNIP

When flooding from a massive rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA.

Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained...

Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars.


You think New Orleans was not shouting loud and often enough about this problem? It gets worse:


There was, at the same time, a growing recognition that more research was needed to see what New Orleans must do to protect itself from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane. But once again, the money was not there. As the Times-Picayune reported last Sept. 22:


That second study would take about four years to complete and would cost about $4 million, said Army Corps of Engineers project manager Al Naomi. About $300,000 in federal money was proposed for the 2005 fiscal-year budget, and the state had agreed to match that amount.

But the cost of the Iraq war forced the Bush administration to order the New Orleans district office not to begin any new studies, and the 2005 budget no longer includes the needed money, he said.


The Senate was seeking to restore some of the SELA funding cuts for 2006. But now it's too late. One project that a contractor had been racing to finish this summer was a bridge and levee job right at the 17th Street Canal, site of the main breach.


And that breach is proceeding to make New Orleans into a modern-day Atlantis.

SNIP


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
left hand man Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:31 PM
Response to Original message
6. what about the solar flares? The weather is a developing science---
Even Ted Kennedy voted against the Kyoto protocol
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:35 PM
Response to Original message
7. He definitely exacerbated it. Not just him, there are a lot of guilty
in positions of power and management who could have and still can do a lot to help who are sitting on their hands
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 02:39 PM
Response to Original message
8. The real tragedy is sending $$$ and National Guard overseas...
in a BS war when they were and are always needed HERE. Helping out in domestic disasters like this are what the National Guard, prior to Emperor Caligula's Fantasy War, DID.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr 24th 2024, 08:05 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC