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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 05:50 PM
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Katrina shows us the neocon brave new world.
The neocon/conservative movement has been spouting the rhetoric of "self-reliance" and "local control" for a long time. These sound like positive terms, especially when government seems to interfere in people's personal lives. But these terms mean NOTHING when we are talking about a cataclysm like Katrina. Only a well-funded national government can even begin to handle a disaster like this.


While the working and middle-class Bush supporters heard "self reliance" and "local control" and thought it meant that the Feds couldn't dictate speed limits or tolerance education in school, the neocon power brokers REALLY meant "government will no longer be there to serve your needs." The power-neocons want to shrink government--or destroy it, as Paul Krugman said on NPR--and in doing so, destroy the functioning necessary for an advanced society.

There are some things only the Public Sector can do on a consistent basis: disaster rescue and rebuilding, monitoring environmental problems, analyzing and approving medications---all public safety functions, in fact--because these things aren't profitable. They are done for the greater good, not the bottom line. The neocon mantra of replacing Public sector structures with Private sector (business, private charities) is just a pretense. Ultimately, private charities without public funding are limited in scope, and business runs purely on the profit motive, not an altruistic one. And even businesses don't have the resources or the interest in the public good that governments do. Wal Mart put up what--a million dollars? The estimates for Katrina are in the 10-13 BILLION dollar range. There is absolutely no comparison. When a government ceases to provide public safety and public works for its people, it can no longer function as an advanced society.

What Bush and the neocons are doing is dissolving the national public sector. Hence the cutting of funds from the Army Corps of Engineers project to plan and build stronger structures to protect the inhabitants of New Orleans. The message is, "The Federal Government will not help you--you are on your own."

Local municipalities do not have the funds to handle disasters of this magnitude. Even state coffers are not large enough. To blame the local governments is simply a PR strategy for the neocons in order to combat the media images.

The things that most people didn't realize is that the neocons meant what they said: smaller government--or, more bluntly, no government. This means that in everything from healthcare to engineering to relief from major disasters, Americans are on their own. And if they happen to die in flood waters because levees break, oh well.

Why do you think the neocons hawk religion--or their own particular brand of it? They know that replacement of the public sector is really not possible. So they encourage people to rely on God to deal with all their problems. In the end, if their city gets hit by a hurricane, the godly will blame either themselves (a common biblical behavior if you actually read scripture) or others (another common behavior). In either case, they won't blame the government.

So the long and the short of it is, we are finally seeing the neocon dream come to fruition--and it means that people die instead of live because the government is no longer available to organize and fund large scale human rescue and urban rebuilding operations. Welcome to the neocon nirvana--the rich get richer and the poor (and middle class) are left to fend for themselves.
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 05:51 PM
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1. I think we are in for a rapid lesson in Darwinism.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 05:51 PM
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2. Just the message the Dem leaders need to be taking
to the unwashed masses. Woohoo!! Dem leaders!!! Where are you???
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 05:55 PM
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5. If the Dems actually care about their people, they need to start now!
Get the message out.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 05:52 PM
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3. There you have it
Brilliantly stated.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:14 PM
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14. Thanks.
,,,
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 05:52 PM
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4. well said
The voters are getting exactly what they asked for. Hope it tastes good goin down.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 05:55 PM
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6. Well, about half of them, depending on the voting machines
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Neocondriac Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 05:58 PM
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8. Might I add...
....if you voted for GW,drive a gas sucking SUV and still have the Bush/Cheney 04 sticker on your fossil fuel sucking hog-----Fuck You!
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:01 PM
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10. They bought the image. They are clueless, really
The neocons took the image of American self reliance and turned it against Americans.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 07:27 PM
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32. Here's an image for ya
From a DUer worried sick about his mom in NO... Babykins KNOWS what we're dealing with.


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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:12 AM
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48. Impressively scary image
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:01 AM
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53. Sometimes I feel that way too.
You asked for it, you got it. And it wasn't Toyota.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 05:56 PM
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7. After seeing this mess am keeping one of our cars as a four
wheeled fuel tank (my wife only drives it a few blocks to work)so we can keep it full pretty easily. I am also going to stock up on water and ammunition. This is Bushworld now.
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tamtam Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 05:59 PM
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9. Same here
I'm stocking up on MREs as well. I know it sounds crazy but like you said this is Bush world.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:09 PM
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13. If a cat 5 headed for Florida next week there would not be
enough fuel here to evacuate.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:18 PM
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16. That is frightening
THey are deliberately making us a third world country
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:41 PM
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37. Hayek gone mad
check the right wing pages - they love their guru Hayek - privatize everything otherwise you are violating freedom - it is coercion to expect the rich to subsidize the poor. Remember democracy now means freedom in these terms - just check brother Hayek. That is the current global model but this time it backfired big time as rational people expected.
In our countries it means paying back debts incurred for and by the rich and depriving the average citizen of a decent education, basic health, decent community service, roads, infrastructure and every imaginable environmental protection.
This is happening in every corner of the globe. Perhaps now that it has reached home, ordinary Americans will understand the danger of giving these raving lunatics power.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:46 PM
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46. Yes, It feels like we have been IMF'd
It's like Ayn Rand out of control.
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:16 PM
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15. Gasoline doesn't keep well.
There are stabilizers you can add to help it. They must be added while it is fresh, they can't restore it.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:20 PM
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17. The car is still driven, it is just being filled much more frequently.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:40 PM
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25. What kind of stablizers and how much can you keep around?
?
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 07:32 PM
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33. Start here
I'm not an expert, I'd recommend start reading here:

http://www.goldeagle.com/sta-bil/
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:26 PM
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43. Thanks. Gas is still only $3.03 today (I checked a few hours ago) but...
Appreciate the help.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:03 PM
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11. NO is the dream of Norquist and LaPierre and Friedman
no reg'latin' gub'mint, no welfayr (for blacks), guhns guhns guhns, a few cops, and people drowning in bathtubs and attics and sidewalk curbs
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:05 PM
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12. Grover Norquist--the man who would destroy government
and who is
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newswolf56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:21 PM
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18. Well said. Methodical destruction of the social safety net...
is one of the basic principles of the new class-warfare perfected by Bush, Rove and Norquist. So is genocide by neglect: unfunding the levee-improvement and disaster-relief-funding that could have saved New Orleans, then allowing a maximum number of victims to die before launching an even-minimal relief effort. Ditto the unleashing of Tyrannosauric capitalism as expressed in skyrocketing gas prices and the never-before-seen runaway inflation this will inflict on American. The rich will just get richer: the rest of us will sink ever deeper in ruination. Hence the new relevance of Marx: the analysis of class-struggle is the only analysis that explains what is happening.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:34 PM
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23. I have been reading your prognostications on this board
And I always find something important in your posts. Thank you for some really excellent ones.
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newswolf56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:46 PM
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26. Thank you. I just call things as I see them, trying to cut through...
the oligarchic lies and disinformation, applying Occam's Razor to come up with an accurate analysis. I always pay attention to your posts too.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:48 PM
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27. Thanks. And I'm flattered.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 07:02 PM
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30. The governor of GA recently said of the rising gas prices -
"Not much can be done about high gas prices in a captilist society."
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:14 AM
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49. So price gouging is inevitable ?
I don't think Adam Smith felt that way. I am currently reading "Wealth of Nations" and I think Smith understood more about human nature than these "free-market capitalist"-true believers. Of course, the powers that be don't care about real competition--they want monopolies and control.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 08:30 AM
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51. That's a good point and conclusion I often come to in these matters.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:59 PM
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40. You've hit the nail on the head. n/t
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SeanQ Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:21 PM
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19. So true!!!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:22 PM
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20. This is as important a read as the assistance threads.
Thank you.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:26 PM
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21. Thank you. I wish our leaders were saying this instead
...
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mountebank Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:28 PM
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22. Excellent read - libertarians take note....
I consider myself a libertarian in the small-L sense. In other words, I don't want powerful systems and beauracracies to exist unless they are wholly rational and completely necessary.

But you are absolutely right. There are some things that absolutely MUST be administered at the federal level, e.g. everything that improves life, but is not profitable. Health, environment, etc.

Thanks for clarifying that for me.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:35 PM
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24. Here's the latest estimates from WWLTV.com
5:17 P.M. - Officials from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers estimate it will be weeks before all the water that flowed into the city through breached levees can be pumped back out. After that, it will take several years -- and many billions of dollars -- to rebuild homes, offices, streets and highways.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 07:43 PM
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34. Billions to repair! I know there are those right now thinking ,"It will be
good for the economy." I heard this from Bush-heads when I was trying to reason them out of the lies to take on Iraq. My question is always. Why can't they see the outcomes of their silly decisions. The anguish and heartbreak this reasoning brings.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:50 PM
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28. An Excellent Realization, Sir
And not far off my own view. Mr. Franklin's comment in 1776 that "We must all hang together, or we shall surely hang seperately," applies to a variety of other circumstances, regarded properly....
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:58 PM
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29. kick
:kick:
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 07:19 PM
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31. This is why I come to DU..................
This is one of the best posts I have ever read here. Brilliant. Simply brilliant.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:11 PM
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35. National sales tax to replace income tax fits into their plans, too.
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 08:14 PM by Lars39
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:11 AM
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47. Yes. A regressive tax would have a "tricke up" effect
.....
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:14 PM
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36. Now that's what I call telling it like it is, Nikki!
This post is definitely a keeper. Is it okay if I rip it off so I can shove it in the faces of some libertarians (and freepers) on another forum? It will be interesting to see their reaction.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:25 PM
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42. Feel free to spread it around
We need to get the word out.
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LiberalUprising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:53 PM
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38. KICK
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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:59 PM
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39. They Go or I Go
I've been saying this for awhile now--either the neocons go or I am moving to Canada. I have no desire to live in their messed up "utopia".

Tammy
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 10:58 AM
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52. I hear ya
Lots of us are feeling that way
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:10 PM
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41. here, i added pictures
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 10:12 PM by nashville_brook
brave new world



The neocon/conservative movement has been spouting the rhetoric of 'self-reliance' and 'local control' for a long time. These sound like positive terms, especially when government seems to interfere in people's personal lives. But these terms mean NOTHING when we are talking about a cataclysm like Katrina. Only a well-funded national government can even begin to handle a disaster like this.



While the working and middle-class Bush supporters heard 'self reliance' and 'local control' and thought it meant that the Feds couldn't dictate speed limits or tolerance education in school, the neocon power brokers REALLY meant 'government will no longer be there to serve your needs.' The power-neocons want to shrink government--or destroy it, as Paul Krugman said on NPR--and in doing so, destroy the functioning necessary for an advanced society.



There are some things only the Public Sector can do on a consistent basis: disaster rescue and rebuilding, monitoring environmental problems, analyzing and approving medications---all public safety functions, in fact--because these things aren't profitable. They are done for the greater good, not the bottom line. The neocon mantra of replacing Public sector structures with Private sector (business, private charities) is just a pretense. Ultimately, private charities without public funding are limited in scope, and business runs purely on the profit motive, not an altruistic one. And even businesses don't have the resources or the interest in the public good that governments do. Wal Mart put up what--a million dollars? The estimates for Katrina are in the 10-13 BILLION dollar range. There is absolutely no comparison. When a government ceases to provide public safety and public works for its people, it can no longer function as an advanced society.



What Bush and the neocons are doing is dissolving the national public sector. Hence the cutting of funds from the Army Corps of Engineers project to plan and build stronger structures to protect the inhabitants of New Orleans. The message is, 'The Federal Government will not help you--you are on your own.'



Local municipalities do not have the funds to handle disasters of this magnitude. Even state coffers are not large enough. To blame the local governments is simply a PR strategy for the neocons in order to combat the media images.



The things that most people didn't realize is that the neocons meant what they said: smaller government--or, more bluntly, no government. This means that in everything from healthcare to engineering to relief from major disasters, Americans are on their own. And if they happen to die in flood waters because levees break, oh well.



Why do you think the neocons hawk religion--or their own particular brand of it? They know that replacement of the public sector is really not possible. So they encourage people to rely on God to deal with all their problems. In the end, if their city gets hit by a hurricane, the godly will blame either themselves (a common biblical behavior if you actually read scripture) or others (another common behavior). In either case, they won't blame the government.



So the long and the short of it is, we are finally seeing the neocon dream come to fruition--and it means that people die instead of live because the government is no longer available to organize and fund large scale human rescue and urban rebuilding operations. Welcome to the neocon nirvana--the rich get richer and the poor (and middle class) are left to fend for themselves."

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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:29 PM
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44. Wow! Illustrated! (That guitar picture is infamous!)
And that shrugging shot of Junior was perfectly placed.
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Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:30 PM
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45. Beautifully well said.
:thumbsup:
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 01:10 AM
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50. kick
:kick:
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:12 AM
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54. Yep - you got it - nail meet head
WHY WHY WHY are the right wing blaming the DEMOCRATIC Governor of New Orleans - saying it was a STATE problem?

http://www.rightnation.us/forums/index.php?showtopic=86346
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:31 AM
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55. Because they no longer think the FED is responsible
Edited on Thu Sep-01-05 11:32 AM by Nikki Stone 1
It's part of the process
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:57 AM
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56. kick
:kick:
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