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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:21 PM
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Very Religious friend blamed Katrina on God
"How am I suppose to reply to what she sent to me"

The following events may be coincidental, but one has to wonder in light of Genesis 12:3. G_d is jealous over His land and His people. Note: Not all events are included in this list.

1. October 30, 1991 - Talks in Madrid Spain, initiated by President Bush (Senior) between the Syrians and Palestinian delegations. Topic: Israel must give land for peace.

October 30, 1991 - Powerful storm off Nova Scotia traveling from East to West for one thousand miles smashed into New England. Ocean waves were 100 feet high and ran all the way to the Carolinas. President Bush's home in Kennebunkport, Maine was heavily damaged.

2. August 23, 1992 - Madrid peace conference moved to Washington, D.C. where talks resumed.

August 23, 1992 - Hurricane Andrew hit south Florida. 180,000 homeless in Florida and 25,000 in Louisiana. Damage as high as $30 billion. Storm was 25-30 miles wide.

3. January 16, 1994 - President Clinton met with President Hafez el-Assad of Syria in Geneva. Topic: An agreement that Israel would give up the Golan Heights to Syria
January 17, 1994 - A 6.9 earthquake rocked southern California. It was the second most destructive natural to hit the U.S. Hurricane Andrew was the first.

4. March 1, 1997 - Yasser Arafat met with President Clinton in Washington, D.C. to discuss settlements being built by Israel. Clinton rebuked Israel for building the settlements. Arafat went on a speaking tour of the U.S. The United Nations Security Council and the General Assembly voted to condemn Israel.
March 1, 1997 - Powerful tornadoes devastated huge sections of the U.S. Arkadelphia, Arkansas was destroyed by tornadoes. Falmouth, Kentucky was destroyed by flooding. The storms stalled over Ohio causing extensive flooding. Cost - over $1 billion.

5. September 27, 1998 - Secretary of State Albright met with Arafat in New York in preparation for a meeting with President Clinton. On September 28, 1998 President Clinton met with Arafat and Netanyahu. The three agreed to formally announce the land giveaway
September 27, 1998 - Hurricane Georges slammed into the Gulf Coast striking Mississippi and the Florida Panhandle. The storm stalled and then moved inland. $1 billion in damage. As Arafat was leaving the hurricane dissipated.

6. October 15, 1998 - Yasser Arafat and Benjamin Netanyahu met at the Wye Plantation, Maryland for a five day meeting on giving away thirteen percent of the West Bank. Under pressure from Clinton, Israel agreed
October 17, 1998 - Rains and tornadoes hit east Texas. Twenty five percent of Texas was ravaged. Cost was over $1 billion. The day the talks ended the storms subsided.

7. March 23, 1999 - Arafat met with President Clinton in Washington, D.C. to discuss a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital.
March 23, 1999 - Stock market fell two hundred nineteen points. May 3, 1999 - The most powerful tornado to ever hit the U.S. fell on Oklahoma and Kansas. Clocked at 316 mph wind speed the tornado was just short of being an F-6. One of the tornadoes was over one mile wide. 43 people died in the twisters.

8. July 12, 2000 - Clinton , Ehud Barak and Yassar Arafat meet at Camp David, Maryland to discuss dividing Jerusalem and giving away large portions of land by Israel.
July - August, 2000 - seven million acres of timber burn in the Western U.S. Montana and Wyoming were declared disaster areas. More than twenty five thousand from all over the world fought the fires.

9. June 6, 2001 - CIA director George Tenet traveled to Israel to discuss stopping building of Settlements. This was the first involvement of the George W. Bush administration.
June 8, 2001 - Three feet of rain fell on Houston, Texas from Hurricane Allison. Twenty Five thousand homes and businesses were destroyed or damaged. Cost $3-4 billion dollars.

10. August 9, 2001 - President Bush demanded that Israel abide by the Madrid peace process, the Mitchell Plan, and United Nations Resolutions 242 and 338. The resolutions called for Israel to go back to the borders prior to the Six-Day War of 1967.
September 11, 2001 - Terrorists destroyed the World Trade Center in New York and attacked the Pentegon and brought a plane down in Pennsylvania.

11. August 2005 - The Bush administration brings pressure on Israel to remove, by force, settlers in the Gaza Strip and giving the land to the Palestinians in order to establish peace.
August 29, 2005 - Hurricane Katrina crashes into the Gulf coast of the United States. Over $26 billion dollars in estimated destruction. This was the worst catastrophe in the history of the nation. Initial estimates of 80 dead in one county alone. The effects on the economy for the future are staggering.

God will not be mocked (Galatians 6:7) and His Word stands firm in the heavens. (Psalm 119:89) The nations that are involved in dividing up God's Land will (are being) brought into Judgement. (Joel 3:2) As more and more Land is given away, under pressure from the world, I believe we will see the world coming under even greater Judgement than what we have read above. Brothers and Sister, bless Israel and help lessen the wrath on your nation!

Shalom!
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:23 PM
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1. Why do you need to respond to something like this?
If a street person mutters something to you that makes no sense, do you respond?
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:23 PM
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2. Religious whackos see coincidences in everything
Just tell her that according to the Christian fundies, abortion providers in LA were the cause of this tragedy. :eyes:
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kbm8795 Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:24 PM
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3. Send her a da*n computer virus
and blame that on GOD too.
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:25 PM
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4. Ask your friend
Ask your friend why in the fuck she would consent to WORSHIP a god who kills people by the thousands to make a point. If that's what God is like, then let me go ahead and make a reservation in hell.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:26 PM
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5. I think the operative word here is "crackpot".....
No reply will help.
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BlueStateGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:26 PM
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6. Tell her if God is powerful and angry enough to cause all these
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 06:28 PM by BlueStateGirl
natural disasters than surely He is powerful enough to stop the land give aways in a more direct fashion. Why doesn't he smite the Palestinians , there by eliminating the competition for the Holy Land??

Then tell her to keep her fairy tales to herself.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:26 PM
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7. You said she was your friend..?
Then get her some fucking help....
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:27 PM
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8. the most appropriate response? "fuck off, you callous bastard"
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:27 PM
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9. This reasoning is deranged, imo.
This person doesn't need a response from you. She should seek therapy and/or cult deprogramming.
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sepia_steel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:28 PM
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10. these peope never cease to amaze me with their stupidity. /eom
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:28 PM
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11. So Why Did God Spare the French Quarter
where all the devil's work ;) goes on?
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MN ChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:29 PM
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12. Tell this idiot to lose your e-mail address
Why respond to such blatant Kool-Aid idiocy? :shrug:

This person is mentally incompetent. Period.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:29 PM
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13. The tsunami isn't even on this list!
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 06:30 PM by LisaM
What about the Ash Wednesday earthquake in Seattle in 2001? Geeze, Shrubbie had planned to eliminate a program that rewarded preparedness for earthquakes that very day! (I think he ended up not doing it.)

Find a bunch of other catastrophes and see if she can find some political association. I'm sure she didn't invent this list herself, so see what she can do with these examples.

On edit: I just saw that you said "not all events are on this list" - the list you posted, or the original list?
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William Bloode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:29 PM
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14. I thinks it is the doing of god as well.
But then again i am an Earth worshiping pagan anyway.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:29 PM
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15. Considering that there
is usually something bad happening somewhere at any given time in the world, it doesn't take someone with much more than the IQ of Cool Whip to put together some dumbass correlation between the bad event and a political or social situation they don't agree with.

This is Bullshit. Correlation is not causation. Not that you could convince this women of it.

Might as well blame the hurricane on the NO Saints not winning the Superbowl last season.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:31 PM
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16. tell her that you can see dead people
and there is someone that wants to contact her and there is a J in a name and you see white roses that mean friendship. What does this mean to her? You're getting another image... one of a Christmas tree..... or it could be a pine tree..... is there a James or a John or a Jim or a Jane or jennifer that she knows?
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Neocondriac Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:31 PM
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17. Please have your ....
... friend look at a friggin map of the gulf coast and realize that the point where Katrina hit is in fact the point where over thousands of years massive hurricanes have rolled through there.I lived in the Florida panhandle and even as a kid knowing that there were sand dunes that could be found as far from the shore as ten miles ,I knew I would never ever live on the northern gulf coast.
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LisaLL Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:31 PM
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18. I might say
Actually, God is angry that Republicans and fundamentalists are defending their spread of hatred and intolerence in His/Her name. These natural catatrophes are God's wrath for Republicans preventing gay people equal rights and for their continues work against noble progressive causes (like helping the poor, helping women prevent unintended pregnancies and improving our public schools). God is angry at religious extremists.

I would point out that when people use God as an excuse for natural catastrophes it is only to promote a personal agenda. Thinking that these things are caused by God gets in the way of preventing catastrophes, warning people of their impending occurrences and minimizing lives lost. It is not just silly to blame these things on God but it is harmful to us as a society to do so.

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:36 PM
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19. I would call her evil, spit in her face, and tell her to burn in Hell
But that's me. You might be a nicer person than me.

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LisaLL Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:37 PM
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20. another reply
I don't believe in a God that is so immature that He/She needs to throw temper tantrums when upset. Clear communication is the expectation for adults and deities.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:37 PM
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21. So. GOD IS AS RETARDED AS BUSH?
Smiting the wrong place. All the dieties are soooo confused lately, huh?
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:38 PM
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22. It's bullshit.
Pure prejudicial bullshit.

Tell the "very religious friend" that all sin has been bought and paid for in Jesus Christ. That's her language - let her squirm with it.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:47 PM
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23. Your friend+e-mail = couch
as in shrink......
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LisaLL Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:49 PM
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24. Her God must be evil
If her God is willing to kill all those innocent people, He must be an evil, evil God. If I believed in an all-powerful God, He/She would be using their powers for good like curing cancer, relieving poverty, andpromoting peace and altruism.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 06:55 PM
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25. Tell her that it is all HER fault
because she wears garments made from two different types of fiber. Oh, and has eaten food made from two different crops that were sown in the same field.

The Bible says that if you do any of this, you are going to hell.


God is displeased with her sins and will punish innocent people because of her.


Stone the witch!
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dddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 07:08 PM
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26. OMG that's soooo weird
And did you also know that Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy AND that Kennedy had a secretary named Lincoln. I'M NOT KIDDING! IT'S REALLY TRUE!
ooooOOOOOOooooooOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo (creepy music).
btw - the God I believe in doesn't feel jealousy - that's strictly a human trait, an imperfection if you will. I do not believe that God has any imperfections (hence the aspiration to become "Godlike"). Just my humble opinion.
Peace.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 07:27 PM
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27. The weather related events
happened during their respective seasons. The hurricane season is between June 1 and November 30 and likewise the tornado season is from March through July.

So, the fact that major tropical storms would occur around the time of those other events is well not at all peculiar or strange.

Correlations don't mean causations. Your friend is, sorry to say, an idiot.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 07:34 PM
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28. What utter and complete bilge
clearly demonstrating the anti-intellectualism of the fundie mindset.

If you look hard enough, there is a disaster unfolding somewhere on Earth nearly every day of the year. The childish fundies simply picked out the ones that occurred closest to the significant dates in the Middle East peace process.

If I wanted to, using the same logic*, I could point out that a disaster occurs every time some ignorant fundie assclown opens up his pie hole.
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 07:43 PM
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29. Ask your friend if she is a true, believing Christian, why can't she
see that God is really angry and Bush & Co? Can't Christians connect the dots and see that this is what's going on?
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 07:46 PM
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30. Well. There's no situation that can't be made worse...
... by religious fundamentalism.

:puke:
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Geoff R. Casavant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:45 PM
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31. You supplied your own answer
And I quote: "Not all events are included in this list."

This is an example of the "availability heuristic," where we remember the correlations but not the independent events.

Ask yourself these questions:

1. What disasters occurred when there were no Israel/Palestine talks going on? I'd bet there were many.

and

2. Were there any times when the Israelis and Palestinians were talking, and no disaster cocurred? From your list, I can see right away that Oslo talks are missing.

When you can answer these two questions fully, I expect you will see that the list you mentioned is pure coincidence.
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