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WingNOT Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 09:21 AM
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Nader challenging Bush Jr over extremist Texan Republican party policies
Read some of the following policies and ask yourself if you'd be worried if Bush listens to his "home" state party and pushes these for his "re-election" bid? (Re-election in quote marks as he would have to have been legitimately elected in the first place to be RE-elected...)

"The platform supports, among other things, U.S. withdrawal from the United Nations, retaking control of the Panama Canal, repeal of the federal minimum wage law, jury nullification, and abolition of the U.S. Department of Education and the Internal Revenue Service."

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/politics/2134336

Hopefully not old news - just haven't seen this reported elsewhere.

What next - Anschlus with Canada ?! Apologies to any unintentional references to alleged Nazi connections with Austria's Arnold Schwarzenegger. Oh sorry - forgot that his father WAS a Nazi official and he invited ex "war criminal" Kurt Walheim to his wedding. Apologies for the misunderstanding there...

Kurt Waldheim and Schwarzenegger
http://hackenbush.org/hackenblog/blogives/00000654.htm

Arnold's Nazi Problem Why won't he repudiate Kurt Waldheim?
http://slate.msn.com/id/2086742/

BBC Chronology of Austria's Nazi past
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/country_profiles/1033454.stm
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 09:33 AM
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1. He should wait until mid-November
October revelations and surprises belong to Democrats... and there are plenty of them to handle right now. This might get more attention if he waits.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:32 AM
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2. So will Ralph witdraw his allegation that there is NO difference
between Republicans and Democrats now?

IT seems to me I am asked to be fair with his assessments of politics but when he steps all over his own tongue and contradicts himself, I am left with a logical quandry.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:17 AM
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6. Can you show me a place where Ralph Nader has said there's no difference?
I keep hearing that, yet I've not seen any link to where he actually said that.

And, once again, you drive right over what he says. Are there any Democrats challenging Bush like this?
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:18 AM
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7. Yes Davis has..look where it got him
Edited on Fri Oct-03-03 11:19 AM by nothingshocksmeanymo
perhaps you forgot all his "Gush and Bore" statements from the last election.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 06:04 PM
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9. did you see how close the election was?
Apparently the American public couldn't see a lot of difference either.

But "Gush and Bore" (I don't remember him saying that either) is very different from "there's no difference between the two parties"
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 06:58 PM
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:26 PM
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12. sorry to have to slap you down, but...
virtually no differences between Bush and Gore.

So he didn't say "no difference"?

MR. NADER: Well, as I said, Barney Frank often speaks faster than his mind. His premise is wrong. I didn't say there are no differences. I said there are few major differences. And I also say that in the area of corporate power, there are very few differences. Whether it's WTO, NAFTA, whether it's repealing restrictive labor laws that keep tens of millions of workers from being able to organize trade unions in places like Wal-Mart, whether it's real public financing of public campaigns, whether it's cracking down on corporate fraud on consumers and whether it's ending corporate welfare in hundreds of billions of dollars siphoned off from middle-class taxpayers and subsidies, handouts, what are the differences? The military budget is increasing. If you look at each government department -- that's the way I like to look at it -- Defense Department, State Department, Treasury, Federal Reserve, the regulatory agencies, Department of Commerce, Department of Labor -- keep going. There are very few differences depending on who is in the White House, Republican, Democrat.

There's another example of how wrong you were...lets go for more!


MR. RUSSERT: On the issue of gay rights -- where is Ralph Nader on gay rights? Is he for gay marriage?
MR. NADER: Way ahead of Al Gore.
MR. RUSSERT: Is he for gay marriage?
MR. NADER: Yes. Civil union and equal rights, equal responsibility.
MR. RUSSERT: Gay adoption?
MR. NADER: Yes.
MR. RUSSERT: So are you closer to Al Gore or George W. Bush?
MR. NADER: No, way ahead of Al Gore. The point is that we have to have a basic policy in this country of equal rights, equal responsibilities regardless of race, gender, sexual preference.
MR. RUSSERT: So the government should recognize gay unions or gay marriages?
MR. NADER: Yes. It's really interesting. Gay people want to serve in the military, they want to engage in civil union or marriage and they want to adopt kids. If they weren't gay, people would say, "Well, that's really good to do."
MR. RUSSERT: Abortion, closer to Al Gore or George W. Bush? Al Gore says "No restrictions on abortion, including so-called partial-birth abortion." George W. Bush says, "No, we should ban all abortions."
MR. NADER: George W. Bush doesn't believe it, nor do the Republicans. They would destroy their party.
MR. RUSSERT: Are you closer to Al Gore or George Bush?
MR. NADER: Well, I don't like to say I'm closer to one or the other. I just don't believe government should tell a woman that she either has to have a child or doesn't have to have a child. We've seen both in the world.


OHHHHHHHH yeah...what a Repuke scumbag! :eyes:

MR. RUSSERT: You were one of the few liberals to say that you would have voted to impeach and convict Bill Clinton. Why?
MR. NADER: Well, he—first, he disgraced the office and dragged the country through it for a year. He could have owned up to it. He stole a year of journalism from the American people. Think of all the stories about things going on in this country that never made it on the news. And then he lied about it. I mean, what's the standard? In fact, you thought he was gone in a few days, I remember you saying. And lot of what—Sam Donaldson thought he was gone. MR. RUSSERT: No, I was quoting his advisers. I don't offer opinions. I was reporting.
MR. NADER: You were predicting.
MR. RUSSERT: I was reporting.
MR. NADER: Yeah, yeah. OK.
MR. RUSSERT: Reporting. Big difference.


Challenges Clinton in terms that are lucid and fair, and even slaps Tim Russert down a peg.


And the rest is Barney Frank...

Thanks for nothing! :hi:
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:00 AM
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3. Link: For a stroll down Right Wing Lane
http://www.txgop.org/library/RPTPlatform2002.pdf

Have fun! You may need to take a bath after reading it.
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Brian Sweat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:03 AM
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4. I refuse to read this shit (Texas GOP Platform)
Can someone tell me how they are advocating Jury Nullification.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 05:34 PM
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8. I support jury nullification
But it's probably not what they have in mind:

I will not convict a non-violent drug offender.
I will not find in favor of the RIAA in any of their suits against downloaders.

Jury nullification is democracy and citizenship at work. It is the highest form of patriotism.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:11 AM
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5. Holy sh!t
US Withdrawl from UN - no problem, then as long as the UN gets the guts to go after the US with everything it's got...

Repeal of minimum wage? Minimum wage as it stands is a joke. People can barely survive holding TWO jobs at minimum wage. This'll kill off a good portion of America.

Jury nullification? So much for America's justice system.

Nom ore department of education? Not entirely surprising, government should have no part in education (though when privitized, the bottom line means more than the quality of education. If you think American students are bad off now, just wait...)

No more IRS? That depends on your point of view.
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Boudica Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 06:40 PM
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10. It gets worse
They have a whole section on homosexuality. The most outrageous line is this: "We oppose any criminal or civil penalty against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction or belief in traditional values".

I wonder what methods this "opposition" can take.

They are very keen on having candidates sign off on all of the platform. To Texas GOP a RHINO is anyone who does not agree with every word in the platform.
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:46 PM
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13. Welcome to DU, Boudica
And like the rest of us, please try not to take too seriously those who say "government should have no part in education".

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