Maybe, just maybe, Arnold getting elected will be a good thing after all

[a_random_joel]

Don't get me wrong, I will be voting NO! on Recall because I am against it on general principles, and I think Davis has been made a scapegoat. I will like vote Bustamante although Camejo intrigues me.

As for Arnold, most of us fear that his win will be a good thing for Bush, which is why we are so opposed. But, it's clear that he can't run a decent campaign let alone run the state. The only reason he is where he is is because he is a very popular movie actor. Name Recognition. That's it. Nothing else.

With all the stuff going on in the media, even if he wins, there will be a big fat spotlight on him from day one, and even the slightest misstep will be all over the place. I think this will ultimately backfire on him, on the Republicans and ultimately on Bush. Nothing would make me happier than to see that pompous, smarmy David Dreier get dragged down by tying all his credibility to the Arnie bandwagon.

Think about it, McClintock is far more dangerous a candidate. He's smart, and he's quiet. I don't agree with him on the issues, but clearly he's got a good command of "the game", and without the hype that Arnold has - he would be the most able stealth candidate, that could get away with stuff that would benefit Bush here in Cali.

The big game is 2004. I can live with Schwarzenneger if it gets Bush out. Bush is clearly the bigger threat to this country's well-being. I would love to see Arnie fall falt on his face. Besides, there's always the recall option, which would be justified (unlike this one)because he did not win a regular election.

BTW, I am NOT endorsing him. I am NOT condoning his behavior towards women in any way shape or form. He clearly has some momentum heading into Tuesday, and I am trying to ease my tortured conscience of the idea of such an idiot running this great state. He may win, but I am convinced he WILL fail. Which in the big picture might be a good thing.

[kstewart33]

1. Ahhnold as governor...

Will be more entertaining that any movie he's made. That's the one plus about his upcoming victory--seeing what a mess he will make of a mess that is already toxic.

[Faygo Kid]

2. Stalking horse for Rove

It doesn't matter how well or poorly he governs. The whole exercise is designed to put control of the levers of government in the hands of the GOP. Arnold is Mr. Rove's stalking horse for 2004. That's what the whole recall thing is ultimately all about. Rove doesn't care who is in there, so long as it's a Republican. Watch and wait.

[tom_paine]

3. No way, joel. Imperial Gouvernor Ahnold gives Bushevik access

to California Voter Rolls (for "adjustment") and will result in the end of the Recall Law (customary Thug strategy), looting of your state on a massive scale, oh and lets not forget total Bushevik access to the California Touchscreen "Stalin" "voting" machines.

If Ahnold wins, the Bush takes CA in '04. It is as certain and predictable as a Saddam victory in the 1999 Irai plebescite, or Hitler in the 1936 German plebiscite.

There is absolutely NO WAY that an Ahnold "victory" (by whatever means fair or foul, it doesn't really matter) can be helpful to the cause of Liberty and Freedom in the long run.

In fact, iot might literally be the Keystone that finally takes down the American Experiment from it's current position in ICU to the literal grave.

Seig Heil!

[Dogmudgeon]

4. Too much fear of Ahnold!

In or out of Sac'to, he will split the California GOP. He already has. And in spite of his GOP friends, he's quite a bit more liberal than is usually permitted of Republicans.

Schwartzenegger is a bull in a china shop, but it's their china shop.

Furthermore, I think that Arnie will become a Democrat in a few years, especially after he gets a taste of what the GOP "base" really thinks of him. There's a lot of anti-S sentiment on DU, but I feel confident we won't have long to wait before we have to slay the fatted calf.

--bkl

[tom_paine]

6. I don't buy that for a second.

Ahnold has the perefct hypocritical self-centered outlook to be a member of the Bushevik Machine.

They will let him have his head, as someone said above, and not care because all they really care about is the stolen loot and the ability to engage enough voter fraud to re-install the Emperor* in 2004.

I don't buy it.

Ahnold is Raygun. An affable boob to put up front so that the snakes and weasels and frauds and thieves and cronies can trash the place.

The Nixon affair taught the Busheviks that one, and if you'll notice, with the possible exception of Emperor Bush I's four years of up-front rule (the 8 years of Raygun were pure Bush I, though), they have practiced thsi strategem to perfection.

Plus, expect Ahnold to be crowned Emperor in 2017 after the reign of Emperor Jeb because the fact that we are a Hereditary Empire will have to be "refuted"

2017-2025 Emperor I'm-a-Bushevik-pawn-but-my-name-ain't-Bush-so-sto-saying-we-are-an-Empire

(though it still could be Ridge, Racicot, or other of the disgraceful Bush Capos)

[kcwayne]

5. The same thing was said about Reagan

He was the Bedtime For Bonzo candidate, a stooge, stupid, to far right, yada, yada, yada. And yet he is worshipped and revered by the far right, and most Americans have a positive opinion of him.

Look at Bush! Has a bigger imbecile ever slept at 1600 Pennsylvania? Yet at one time 70% of the people thought he was doing a good job. Although it is less now, it has more to do with the economy than with him.

These "leaders" are stage props for the real power brokers who control the message and the money. It won't matter how stupid or corrupt Arnold is, the people behind him that stand to benefit will insure his success as long as it benefits them.

[Capn Sunshine]

7. THE STRATEGY IS TO SCREW THINGS UP

Believe me, this is NOT about Arnold. He's a naive simpleton being foisted upon California as a sacrifical lamb. Remember , this action alone will create partisan warfare, and the discontent will grow and magnify until democrats are dispirited and withdraw,much like many of us feel RIGHT NOW,
HANDING THE STATE TO BUSH IN 04.

The rest, they don't care. Look at Texas. You think Bush is even helping his sorry ass state that he presonally governed into the ground? No. Like California, the people are expendable. Its just the electoral votes they want.

[ButterflyBlood]

9. not this nonsense again

Bush still has a snowball's chance in hell of winning California no matter who's in the governor's mansion. Unlike Florida, California isn't a pure toss up state. Besides, Bush very well might not even be on the California ballot.

[Capn Sunshine]

13. Do you live here?

It's pretty plain to see that whole parade coming down the highway from here my friend.

After careful analysis, the taxes willl go UP here , not down. Everything will screech to a halt. Out bond rating will descend to "don't buy status" This will totally screw things up, because with the excepton of Arnold, the entire state mechanism is still Democratic Party.

They "Arnold wins---changing political landscape" meme will start the day he takes office to explain CA going republican in 04. By the time they are done echoing this, no one will be surprised.

OTOH, I really hope YOU are right, and I am wrong about this :scared:

[rogerashton]

8. The Recall Arnold movement will start the day he takes office.

It probably won't work against the PICTs' , money -- "Powerful Interests who Control Things," Arnold's term, remember -- but it will keep Arnold's closet skeletons in the forefront and the Pukes on the defensive. There are possibilities, here.

[SharonAnn]

10. His handlers will appoint GOPers in the hundreds of appointed

jobs and they will control all the power.

Arnold won't be running things, Pete Wilson's GOP people will be running things for Rove.

Don't kid yourself, Arnold as governor is a very BAD thing.

[peacetalksforall]

11. If hypocrisy in the Pug Party is maintained...

all CA Republicans and youngsters who only have movies and music on their brains and who might vote or will vote for the first time because of him - all of them will vote for AS in spite of his female predator reputation.

If hypocrisy rules as usual - they will make no connection between their condemnations of Clinton who entered into a consensual affair with a hot shot predator who doesn't even know the names of the women he groped or if they had chidren or if their husbands were nearby.

So elect him, all you crazy CA pugs, and live with just one more grand exception to the perfect morality practiced by members of the Republican Party.

Maybe they will start a club - Gingrich, Livingston, ASwarzenegger, and all the other women and marriage abusers and talk about how many supporters they have in the Pug Party despite being exceptions to the perfect morality.

So go and vote for him and ruin the state in every additional financial and constitutional way as well.

Some day you'll wake up to and learn that you are voter pawns.

[Tikki]

12. How long before he caves, further, into....

...the 'dark-side' (he will owe THEM big time) and allows expanded oil drilling in the Central Coast channel?

They name those oil rigs after women, you know!!! Platforms 'Oprah' and 'Maria' may, already, be on the drawing board.

[dfong63]

14. arnie will lose, and so will dubya next year