Buchanan & Press talking about Cheney (Dumping Cheney?)

[Cush]

Insiders: Cheney has swung too far to the right politically.

Seems like the effort to dump Cheney has begun

[IndianaGreen]

1. U.S. News and World Report will say that Cheney may be dumped

in its Monday edition.

[elperromagico]

9. It wouldn't surprise me

Bush's team may want to balance the ticket with a moderate.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if a new running mate were from the Northeast... maybe Pataki, in an effort to siphon votes from the Dems.

[rucky]

11. You're in the right state...

Guilani

[Qutzupalotl]

17. Some family values.

Didn't Guiliani have an affair and leave his wife for the other woman? Will this even be an issue after 9-11?

[elperromagico]

21. Ask Arnold Schwarzenegger's supporters

[kskiska]

26. That was after his FIRST marriage –

to his cousin. He's on Number 3 now.

[elperromagico]

20. Wow, didn't even think of him

As they're already using NYC for their convention (scheduled conveniently close to the third anniversary of 9/11), a Giuliani nomination would certainly fit the bill. And I don't doubt for a second that Rudy has Presidential ambitions. Would he turn down Bush's offer, knowing that it would put him in the prime position as the GOP nominee in '08?

Damn them.

[TexasPatriot]

31. Not Pataki...

I think they'll go for Powell to balance against Clark... Think about that in terms of the impact on the electorate for a while. The Neo-cons keep running the show behind the scenes - they don't care whether who the VP is.

[newyawker99]

36. Hi TexasPatriot!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[mlawson]

13. Hmm. If cheney is running things, WHO will dump him???

I can't believe it. The only reason he *might* take himself out in 2004, would be because of health reasons.

Politically, we had best hope he stays on their ticket. Someone like Frist on there could significantly help bush next year.

[elperromagico]

23. Who would fire Cheney?

Why, Rove would fire him, of course. Cheney is the rock, Rove is the paper. Paper covers rock.

I seriously believe that the GOP would try to get a candidate from the Northeast (preferably NY). Bush was literally slaughtered in NY. Getting a popular figure from NY on the ticket would definitely help to rectify that. Cheney is running from Wyoming (small fries with 3 votes, and they vote Republican anyway). Frist is from Tennessee, which Bush won anyway.

Winning NY would be like hitting the jackpot for the GOP. They could wave it around like a badge of honor. "Look, the people who suffered the most on 9/11 support us!"

[mlawson]

27. cheney would tell KKKRove to go

f--- himself. He would then march straight into the occupied Oval Office, and demand that bush fire Rove. That would be a tasty scene, I must say. :D Who would survive, I dunno.

I was thinking of Frist, for appearance' sake. He is young(er), respected, and has no skeletons that I know of. Guiliani and Pataki bring controversy to the ticket: they are pro-choice, pro-gay, and several other things that the religious wrong would NOT like. Back in 2000, when the GOP was riding high, these considerations might not have mattered. They do, now.

[elperromagico]

29. That's fine with me

The narrower Bush's platform becomes, the more chance he has of falling on his face.

[Sparky McGruff]

34. Skeletons in the HMO closet?

I was thinking of Frist, for appearance' sake. He is young(er), respected, and has no skeletons that I know of.

Frist's family runs HCA, an HMO with lots of skeletons. He has held various positions.

May not be as easy to dig up as some skeletons (ARNIE!), but there are most likely some to be found.

[newyawker99]

38. Hi Sparky McGruff!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Kool Kitty]

45. Frist may have no skeletons in his closet,

unless you count all the dead cats...

[Pallas180]

37. Frist & his family own HMO's who are bleeding us dry.His skeletons -

but most dont realize that - he might be the choice , but
Giuliani would really wow them - which I think would bring
Hillary into the game...and don't think that the thuglicans
aren't weighing and balancing that.

[Cush]

2. so....

essentially, he & his staff will get away with leaking a CIA agent?

[Warpy]

3. I doubt Cheney has swung anywhere.

Cheney is where he is so that he may do the most damage to the US so that his cronies (and himself, if those ties to Halliburton aren't severed forcibly) can amass as much wealth and power as possible, all on the taxpayer's back.

I'm sure he leaves the ideology to the Pentagon "cabal."

[Pallas180]

39. Ahem. the ideology IS to drain the US treasury-Pentagon & WH & House

of Reps.

[Cush]

4. Larry O'Donnell

just said what Arnie did was "Battering" not light hearted matter

If he gets elected, more stories will come out, and each one will be worse than the one before

[CatWoman]

6. Watching

:hi:

ODonnell seems really pissed.

He's disgusted with ARnold.

[onecitizen]

14. Lawrence was on fire tonight!!!

I hope he's on McGlaughlin Group tonight!

[w13rd0]

5. SWUNG TOO FAR?

Was Cheney EVER even PRETENDING to be a moderate? The only "moderate" thing he's ever muttered was his bit in the debate with Lieberman about how homosexual relationships were not the business of the federal government. This is a man who SUPPORTED APARTHEID! He's always BEEN EXTREME RIGHT WING. He didn't "swing" there...it's his HOME!

[Cush]

8. he's the fall guy

for the War, the leak etc.....

[Cush]

7. Go Larry

Everyone in Hollywood who likes Arnold has said so. And its like 12 people. Everyone else hates him or strongly dislikes him

Even Ken Walsh if raggin on him

Larry: Arnolds slogan is, "Elect me, I'm a liar"

[Pallas180]

40. Looks like Ahnold's Hollywood power is finished if he isn't elected - too

many revelations - his movie career is likely finished also,
nothing to fall back on if he isnt elected. Of course there's
always the fix in the voting machines...

I feel sorry for Maria.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. ok, ok

flashback to that other scandal.

When Spiro Agnew became a liability the first step
Nixon did was remove him from the ticket.

Soon after Spiro was fired and Ford appointed VEEP.

The shadows of Watergate are stunning, and yes,
we are seeing history...

The night of the long knives is coming and we are seeing a
WH in complete and full meltdown...

This is GOOD NEWS... anybody who cares rent a movie
called the Presidents Men, read teh book or just
read a general history of Watergate

[mlawson]

15. I think it was the IRS who took Spiro out.

It was very fast, just a few days. Spiro pleaded nolo contendre (sic?) to a charge of tax evasion (or sonthing very similar). Even he couldn't mess around with the IRS.

[rucky]

18. Could be the way to get Cheney, too

Follow dat $$$$!

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Yes Sprio went down on a technicality

Tax evasion, but the paralells are stunning.

The Saturday Night Massacre and the night of the
long knives, are coming... there is blood, chum hell
full bodies in the water now, the sharks are just
getting started...

And I do feel giddy I was wondering how are they going
to top this week?

[rucky]

16. Now all we need is a Deep Throat

and some real investigative reporters...

I nominate Greg Palast.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. We may have a deep trhoat already

Read Richard Cohen's column for this week or the Post article on Sunday. Somebody named names... to the Post

But I say Gregory Pallast shoudl join Howard Pinkus for the modern
day Howard and Bernstein team

[union_maid]

12. Oh, please, please pick Pataki

It won't help him much in the election and maybe we in NY can be rid of him.

[Unknown Known]

24. I don't think they'll dump anyone, but if Cheney goes he will still be

working in the background. And besides the entire neocon apparatus is firmly entrenched in BushCo WH.

If he does go, they will choose Powell or Guiliani.

Actually, when you think about it, it doesn't matter any more if Cheney is there or not.

[Andromeda]

25. That's not going to help Bush...

he can replace Cheney but I don't think that is going to help George Bush get elected. I don't say re-elected because he was never elected in the first place.

He'll have to find another "brain" if Cheney does leave and that's not going to be easy considering the choices.

[kskiska]

28. Whatever happened to the good old days

when a VP choice didn't matter? The VP wasn't even chosen (or even considered) until after the party's presidential candidate was chosen during the convention. VPs did nothing but attend funerals, anyway.

[elperromagico]

33. Yes, in the old days.

Vice Presidents sometimes even worked against their President. TR's Vice President, Fairbanks, conspired with members of Congress to block key presidential proposals. FDR's first Vice President, John Nance Garner, fought FDR for the nomination in 1940. And John Calhoun once viciously attacked Andrew Jackson with a ball-peen hammer. Okay, I made the last one up, but you get the idea.

I've occasionally thought that it would be better if the President and the VP were elected separately. The potential for friction is limitless...

[Wapsie B]

44. Yes indeed.

I remember the buzz on Dan Quayle was that he was impeachment insurance for Poppy after Iran-Contra.

[truthseeker1]

30. They'll dump Cheney.

They'll dump him primarily because they want someone in the Veep position to groom for '08. Secondly, they can get someone more likeable on the ticket to reassure voters - my money is on Powell - and thirdly, they can scapegoat Cheney for the leak, Iraq, everything they need to wipe their hands of. In fact, I wouldn't put it past Rove to set this thing up with Novak to create the impetus for removing Cheney.

[incapsulated]

32. Guiliani = Suicide

Take it from a native NYer. This man is incapable of playing second fiddle. He couldn't even stand giving credit to people in his own administration. He is the definition of "does not work and play well with others."

I agree with union maid. Take Pataki. Please!

As for Cheney, it would be just like them to find a scapegoat for their problems and hang him. It's what rethugs do. Not that Cheney doesn't deserve it, but who in this group doesn't?

[Pallas180]

41. Heck. Cheney would just go back to Halliburton and run Iraq. Could be

part of the agreement.

[dkf]

35. B&P has become must see TV.

*

[Starpass]

42. Let us hope and pray that Cheney stays right where he is

We need this unpersonable bastard to be right where he is and a reflection of the criminality of this administration. If he leaves, as people pointed out above, they can blame all on "the poor honest president" who was set upon by the nasty, evil VP. It gets Bush off the hook, gives him a fresh start and makes him take over the news with some "wonderful VP" choice. I'm afraid this is what they are going to do and it's a very bad thing for us. We need them together as the twin evils.

[cliss]

43. Something must be up

If the ship is sinking, the crew will be arguing about who should be thrown overboard. I've read many threads that speculate that Cheatin Cheney is about to walk the plank.

They've come up with all kinds of plausible excuses, like he "needs to spend more time with his family", his heart isn't what it used to be, he's getting older, etc.

My take is, I have a hard time imagining they're going to get him out any time soon, unless they take him for a joyride, Used Cars style. Can't you just see him hanging on to the front door of the WH with his fingernails, as they try to pull him out?