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Starpass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 06:48 PM
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Something Positively Stinks About this Limbaugh Situation
I hope I can explain what didn't add up today because there is a real disconnect here. I wasn't on DU today because of playing with my 3 month old grandchild but I had MSNBC tuned into the background. They were literally broadcasting this story every 7 or 8 minutes. They had a reporter who was digging out the facts at the police station and reported that the Enquirer story was dead on and devulged what the insiders were telling him.

They said Rush was first spotted last November--a whole year ago!! They did not arrest him because they said the publicity would blow their big case of trying to find out who the supplier was, etc. They finally were "forced" into this because of the housemaid who reported it all to the National Equirer---in othe words it would be still going on if not for her. They then said that poor Rush would probably not serve any time in that they NEVER put these poor addicted victims in jail but get them rehabilitation (oh, yep, sure, okay) and that they will work with him to get info on the drug chain (hinting that he will be treated like royalty) and thus, hinting that that would all enter into a plea bargain, etc. to save his ass. That's when the lightbulbs went on.

If you buy that Rush is just a poor addict who needs help but shouldn't be treated as a criminal like a zillion other people are each year, then you would have no interest in talking to him about the "connections" because he wouldn't have a clue. Thus, his "cluelessness" would not offer anything in exchange for saving prison time for his drug addicted hide. On the other hand, if they are saying that Rush has something to "tell", then it's total bullshit that they didn't pick him up before. They could have broken that fat coward in three seconds by telling him they could bargain and get him out the back door and not have his career ruined and the fat scumbag would have sung like a canary. So, can you see what I mean??? Neither way does this wash. In a word, Rush was a protected druggie and they not now or ever would have picked him up except for the blabbermouth of his maid. Now they are going to make sure he goes "into treatment" (if that) and get off with nothing. Think this might have to do with the scum who is the governor of Florida???---in other words, they were quite content in letting him buy whatever he wanted or even deal in the drugs because he was "the voice who delivered the stupid sheep". This bastard is going to walk, folks. We need to drag up every other person who is serving for his same offense and ask "why are the repukes in Florida protecting this bum".
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 06:54 PM
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1. I heard he made a payment of $100K to the maid ??
This is starting to sound like hush money. And there was another payment also, according to the Enquirer guy...Was Rush being bribed? I agree there is more here than meets the eye...And there is no way Rush was doing all those downers by himself. Who was he getting them for? There are a lot of unanswered questions.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:03 PM
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8. Supposed to be audio tapes, a 4 inch stack of e-mails
Looks like he might be doing his show
in the prison cafeteria....
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:49 PM
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24. Excellent acoustics there.
(Or so I'm told)
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:40 PM
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18. when the maid quit...rush's lawyer came to her house and asked "how much
mr limbaugh owe you" she said, "$80,000" and the attorney said "well here is $20,000 more that mr limbaugh wants you to have"....a few days/week(maybe) the attorney returns with another $100,000 from mr limbaugh...total $200,000.

..hmmmmm?...i heard the enquirer reporter say this on tv
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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 08:06 PM
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29. I read it differently...slightly different account...
Rush had a $80,000 tab...the lawyer came once and made her sign a promissary note for $100,000. It was understood this would not be paid back. No cash was delivered...

The lawyer came back (the second visit) with the $100,000 dollar check...so it was only $20,000 of "hush money." With the understanding that they were to do no more business with Mr Limbaugh...

This brings into question the involvement of some of Mr, Limbaugh's "handlers" - who would seem to be accessories to the crime at this point...
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #29
32. hexola what's the reporters name?...i heard him on one of the cable news
channel but, didn't catch his name...he has a foreign accent too
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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 08:32 PM
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34. Here's the source I was refering to...but you were right...my misread
This seems to have most info of any source I've seen...

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y13342916

Palm Beach Post
By John Pacenti and Mary McLachlin, Palm Beach Post Staff Writer


...He tried to kick his habit again at a New York hospital to no avail, she said, and piled up drug bills of $80,000.

In 2002, Wilma Cline said, a Palm Beach attorney showed up on her doorstep, gave her a check for $100,000 and made her sign a promissory note, but said the "loan" would never be collected. Four months later, in November, the attorney gave her a check for $100,000 and told her not to give Limbaugh any more pills.

The attorney also told her to hand over the computer retaining Limbaugh's e-mails, Wilma Cline said, but she took the hard drive from another computer and smashed it in front of him. Then the Clines sought legal help...


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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 08:40 PM
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38. thanks for the link and $200,000 not a bad serverence pay for a maid huh?
Edited on Fri Oct-03-03 08:43 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
:hi:
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 06:57 PM
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2. Yep....I couldn't agree more
My first (ok...second) thought was what you posted.
My first thought was: You know it's awfully smelly that this "Big News" item comes up just when "Treason Gate" is starting to make the scum in the White-House sweat.
It seems like every time Bush and his gang start feeling heat, some
other Big Deal pops up.....
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 06:58 PM
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3. Here's the law (He's facing 25 yrs MANDATORY minimum sentance..)
Edited on Fri Oct-03-03 06:59 PM by Junkdrawer
Florida Statutes

893.135 Trafficking; mandatory sentences;
(c)1. Any person who knowingly sells, purchases, manufactures, delivers, or brings into this state, or who is knowingly in actual or constructive possession of, 4 grams or more of oxycodone, or 4 grams or more of any mixture containing any such substance, but less than 30 kilograms of such substance or mixture, commits a felony of the first degree, which felony shall be known as "trafficking in illegal drugs," punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. If the quantity involved:
a. Is 4 grams or more, but less than 14 grams, such person shall be sentenced to a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment of 3 years, and the defendant shall be ordered to pay a fine of $50,000.
b. Is 14 grams or more, but less than 28 grams, such person shall be sentenced to a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment of 15 years, and the defendant shall be ordered to pay a fine of $100,000.
c. Is 28 grams or more, but less than 30 kilograms, such person shall be sentenced to a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment of 25 calendar years and pay a fine of $500,000.

http://atrios.blogspot.com/

This was just posted on LBN:

National Enquirer Editor David Pecker appeared on Buchanan and Press and stated that they granted the maid immunity so she would wear a wire and that they are WAITING for Limpballs to "contact" them (Palm Beach County) so they don't have to put him through a "perp" walk.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=146695&mesg_id=147663&page=

Limbaugh broadcast from EIB HQ in NYC today. Palm Beach detectives and the lovely Marta await him in Florida.

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Starpass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:01 PM
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5. Junk--thank you. I knew that this was bullshit when I heard it
This reporter was saying that the cops say that they NEVER put these guys into jail, they first send them to rehab. That's when I knew the cops were in on this whole damn thing to begin with or he would have been picked up long ago. Like I said---JEB.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 08:00 PM
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28. Unless he plea bargained to a lesser offence?
Could happen, it seems.

I think public pressure should be applied.

If people want to change the laws so this is not the law - IN THE FUTURE - be my guest.

I agree that to not hold him accountable like everyone else - would be the crime.
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klyon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 08:19 AM
Response to Reply #28
56. unless there is evidence
like caught holding large amounts of drugs, there will be no arrest of Rush. If he was dealing the story saved him from getting busted. His house will be clean.

KL
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djg21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 08:25 PM
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31. You're just wrong . . .
Edited on Fri Oct-03-03 08:28 PM by djg21
. . .or at the very least, you don't have access to the facts, and therefore, you can say anything about an appropriate "mandatory minimum sentence."

While I haven't researched Florida law lately, I can pretty much assure you that the 28 gram quantity referenced in 893.135(c) is not a cumulative amount to be tallied over a lifetime, but rather, an amount that is transactional in nature. That being said, it is unclear from media reports whether, at any one time, Rush ever purchased or possessed more than 28 grams of a controlled substance.

Keep in mind that 28 grams would amount to 1,400 20 mg pills. That's a hell of a lot of pills -- a sale quantity, as opposed to a personal-use quantity. And it's simply ridiculous to speculate that a multi-millionaire such as Rush would have any reason to deal in illicit prescription pharmaceuticals in order to supplement his meager income or support his own habit.

I would think that Rush's offense(s) would more likely fall within the scope of 893.135(a), and that you may wish to look at 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084 before insinuating that Rush must be getting favorable treatment if he is sentenced to anything less than 25 years.

Given that Rush is likely a first-time offender, he probably should not be incarcerated. Rather, he should be sent for treatment/rehabilitation. Hopefully, he'll become a little more compassionate.

While Rush is most certainly an asshole, there really is no need to be spiteful. That, afterall, is precisely what we would expect him to do!

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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 10:49 AM
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65. What???
Edited on Sat Oct-04-03 10:50 AM by loudsue
:wtf: You said: "While Rush is most certainly an asshole, there really is no need to be spiteful. That, afterall, is precisely what we would expect him to do!":shrug:


Sorry, but I'm not too self-righteous to be "spiteful" of Rush Limpballs. The man has been poisoning my country for YEARS!! He deserves more than spite...he is truly the enemy of this country; worse than any terrorist.


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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:05 AM
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69. Well...
Edited on Sat Oct-04-03 11:05 AM by GiovanniC
I don't do drugs, and have never done any illegal drugs... hell, I don't even drink or smoke. But I do think that drug laws that put people away on possession charges for longer sentences than murderers and rapists are a bit much.

And I believe in justice a little too much to subscribe to the "we'll get him any way we can get him" philosophy.

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djg21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 12:25 PM
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73. An I didn't even have to reply!
Thanks Giovanni! Well said!
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #31
70. From the Enquirer article...
"During the first 47 days she kept the ledger, it shows she delivered 4,350 pills to Limbaugh"

I'll bet there were several times he had more than 1,400 pills in his possession. I agree that he would have to be CAUGHT with that many pills for trafficking to kick in, but we (and Limbaugh!) don't know what the police have - only that they want to talk with him and he won't turn himself in.

As for spite, while I hate all that Limbaugh represents, I also hate his addiction and I have many, many times advised that Limbaugh get treatment. Everyone, even Limbaugh, deserves a chance for recovery.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #3
44. But under Florida's first time offender law
Rush will probably get the same treatment as Noelle Bu$h and will be allowed to go into a rehab program instead.

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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 06:59 PM
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4. I'm wondering if the CIA has something to do with dropping this
little sugar plum on our happy asses. There do seem to be a lot of indications that the tide is turning in our favor these days.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:01 PM
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6. That's How These Things Get Leaked To The Enquirer
in the first place. It's not that they're great investigators, they just keep their checkbooks open for anybody willing to come forward.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:43 PM
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20. the Enquirer reporter said, they knew about Rush's painpill addiction and
Edited on Fri Oct-03-03 07:44 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
buying illegal RXs for 4 years and sat on it until now...rush has been popin these babies for along time
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:02 PM
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7. Not surprising. The BFEE dealt tons of coke during Poppy's rein...
Edited on Fri Oct-03-03 07:04 PM by Flying_Pig
And Jeb? The perfect person to protect their #1 propagandist. I think an investigation needs to be launched into the police there, and into who was ordering them to keep this quiet. Is there any doubt whatsoever, that Jeb Bush was made aware of such an important figure dealing drugs? I'll bet he knows everything about it, and gave direct orders to keep it quiet.

This whole thing is stinking more by the minute....

:grr:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:29 PM
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11. I bet you're right.
Funny this went down in Florida, isn't it? The maid was initially paid $80,000.00 plus another $20,000.00 for good measure. THEN, a year later Limbaugh's attorney contacted the maid and asked her to come to his office. She went, was given $100,000.00 MORE and asked if she would please destroy all of the 4" thick pile of emails from Rush that she had. The National Enquirer has copies of the emails and the tapes. I smell Jeb all over this thing..... The delay in arresting Rush. The timing of the release of the story. The whole damn thing smells. AND!!!! tell me this...when was the last time the police "waited" for a drug buyer to contact them? They are STILL waiting for Rush to call THEM??? WTF??
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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:45 PM
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21. Goes back
to the Texas roundup of 40 something black folks put in jail on one lying, double dealing, scums word. America just does not get it we know they know that there are double standards and yet they will deny it with the fervor of a violent windstorm. Double standards beween rich& poor and blacks & whites. Such A pity for the supposed leader of the world's morals.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:21 PM
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9. More fuel to prove what black people have been trying to tell you:
Whites are not treated as harshly as blacks when it comes to drugs. We have a two-tiered criminal justice system which is blatantly unconstitutional!
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:26 PM
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10. If Limbaugh skates, someone should bring a class action suit...
on behalf of everyone else serving "mandatory minimums". The other (probably most likely) scenario is that Limbaugh becomes the "star witness" that puts away these and a pack of other prescription drug dealers.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:34 PM
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13. Agreed.
I don't think they call it a class-action suit, but criminal defense attorneys can find similar cases and appeal their client's sentences.

However, the main indicator that the police were always planning to give Limbaugh a ride, is that they knew for over a year and never obtained a search warrant to look for the drugs. If it had been a minority, they would have found the drugs and landed him in jail a looong time ago. Our criminal justice system is broken.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #13
26. The system ain't broken,
it's "fixed."
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #26
46. Nice piece of
wit. :smoke:
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 10:55 AM
Response to Reply #26
66. LOL n/t
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:31 PM
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12. As much as I dislike the scumbag, Rush is the victim here
Edited on Fri Oct-03-03 07:32 PM by JackSwift
He is the one suffering from the horror of pain killer addiction, and that kind of suffering is why the whole thing is illegal. Whether he deserves the karma is another rant. But drug addicts busted on the first time are put in rehab and given a walk provided that they cooperate. There is no reason for the DA to apply a different standard: equal protection means just that.

With that said, the man is a terrible hypocrit who deserves public mocking roundly. But that's our job, not the DA's.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. Sorry, but he's inflicted more pain on people that are far more
innocent than he is. He wants compassion as an addict, he needed to show compassion to others.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. I don't know, I've heard dozens and dozens of stories of...
first timers serving horrible sentances thanks to the "mandatory minimum" laws. Most of the time, the reporter will interview the judge who complains how his/her hands were tied.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #15
23. In Florida it's illegal to SOLICIT drugs. So I don't know what the media
is spinning. Rush is guilty of a criminal offense. They don't have to find the drugs if those tapes and e-mail reveal that he was soliciting drugs.
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Starpass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:39 PM
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16. Jack--the thing I questioned here from the beginning
Since I never was a part of the drug scene but just applying common sense---the number of pills per month this guy bought didn't add up. It would have meant consuming approx. 200 of them a day. Besides being DEAD, I don't think he could have gone unnoticed by the radio stations that he wasn't exactl coherent!! His consumption rate meant he was dealing. And knowing these scum repukes, I would say that Rush didn't want to waste money on drugs so was peddling to pay for his habit. Something doesn't add up here.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:42 PM
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19. Or Limbaugh was the "mule" for higher ups....
Think about it, if your Cheney or Rumsfeld or the Chimp himself, who could you trust to supply your habit?
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #19
50. That's what I've been thinking, Junkdrawer
also I'm thinking that the protection he has been/is getting/will continue to receive is to keep this pig from squealing. Not only if he is supplying the upper echelon, but because he knows too much of the inner workings of the GOP, and how they do things. Embarassing stuff the GOP would not want revealed to their public, especially during a presidential campaign.

Thinking all the way back when he came from obscurity to the 1992 elections when he and his TV show promoted the same themes as the Poppy Bush commercials - his show was like an hour long infomercial; and then in 1994 he promoted Newt's Contract for America - which was faxed daily to him by the GOP. He truly sealed himself as the GOP's propaganda machine when the Republicans took over Congress in 1994 (didn't they make him an honorary member of Congress?)

I can only imagine the meetings and tele-conferences he has had with well-connected Republicans. Topics in those meetings/conferences that I'm sure the GOP would not want to be revealed. My opinion of Rush is that of an impotent bully, one that would squeal like a pig if those he helped elect let him down right now in his great time of need. In Rushs mind he's a victim, and in the GOP's mind, he may currently be a dangerous one.

It would be interesting to see how things unfold if citizens make an uproar. Question is, how disposable is Rush?
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 12:42 AM
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51. So he's been protected and the quantities are over the top for one guy.
If he is supplying for some of the party elite, then this story breaking now could be another volley from the CIA? Seems there is a civil war on folks. Anybody see the nightline thread? Larry Johnson told Bush to call off the dogs. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=464668#468676
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #50
60. If I'm right, they're going to have to get a new supplier...
and, remember guys, the CIA is watching..booga booga
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #19
71. He bought incredible amounts from Cline - and he had other suppliers..
But sources close to the investigation told Fox News that Limbaugh had other drug suppliers and said the popular conservative personality could face a criminal inquiry by the Palm Beach County state attorney's office.

...

The investigation apparently began as a probe into the illegal sale of prescription painkillers in South Florida that targeted dealers. But later investigators came across Limbaugh through clues gathered in a bust in Palm Beach County in May, revealing him as a buyer.

One source told Fox News that Limbaugh was implicated by Cline and her husband David, and also by “other suppliers” whom the source did not name. The Enquirer paid the Clines a six-figure fee for their story, according to the source.

Asked about the culpability of Limbaugh, the source said that he could still face charges for having a large quantity of prescription painkillers without a prescription, but the source added that no charges are imminent.

More...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,99008,00.html



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AbbieLives Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #16
39. Source + money = hoarding
He had the money, but he might not always have a supplier. He would want to make sure he never ran out & having multiple homes means having a stash in each of them, perhaps.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:39 PM
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17. I've come to suspect that....
someone higher up has a bone to pick with the reich-wingers. All of these scandals dropping at the same time seems like more than coincidence to me.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 08:31 PM
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33. OMG, That Had Not Occurred to Me
Joe McCarthy got heroin from Eisenhower's Surgeon General because it was considered politically dangerous for him to use an outside source. The same principle may be working here.

To the administration, Rush had the advantage of not only being a loyalist but of being unreliable if he squealed. The 4,000 pills in a year speaks of someone else. I figured he was handing them out to his friends, but his superiors would make a lot more sense.

God, how I hope somebody talks.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:45 PM
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22. he gets no sympathy from me.
NONE.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:49 PM
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25. I just spent $2.19 and bought the Enquirer.
So far. it's a good read.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 08:22 PM
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30. junkdrawer...damn it .... the nearest store to purchase it is 45 min drive
when ya finish reading will ya please enlighten me?
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 08:37 PM
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37. I'm about to hit the sheets....
I got mine at a CVS drug store. You might be surprised who all is carrying it. Some details not in other stories:

He got a lot of drugs besides the incredible amount the maid got him. (Mail order, among other ways)

He worked hard to hide the drugs from Marta.

Detox was the 24 hr. anesthesia assisted type.

More tomorrow...
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 07:13 AM
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52. Wilma Cline is a puzzling key player in all this....
according to the NE story, she goes from $370/week maid in 1997 to a fulltime pusher/mule whom Limbaugh owes $80,000 by 2002.

* She quit the maid job in July 2001 because of a disagreement w/ Limbaugh's wife Marta

* The twin payoffs of $100,000 in 2002 were by Limbaugh's attorneys and the last one included eliciting a promise from Wilma not to sell Limbaugh any more drugs. The lawyer also wanted Wilma's computer, but instead got a show where she destroyed a bogus hard drive.

* After the payoffs, Wilma contacted an attorney who then called the Palm Beach County States Attorney office, in particular JAMES MARTZ who is leading the investigation.

* It's at this time Wilma makes the recordings - it seems it was her idea and it doesn't look like the cops nor the NE were in on it.

* Four inches of emails. The article reprints nine, including one just before detox where Limbaugh wants 100 oxycotin to "go out with a bang".

I have no doubt that Limbaugh's new attorneys will try to portray Wilma as a pusher who hooked their poor client on drugs and then milked him for all he was worth - finally selling her story to the NE for 6 figures. Wilma has set herself up as the innocent maid that Limbaugh corrupted into a drug mule. Hurting Limbaugh would be any proof of his buying large quantities of drugs before the appearance of Wilma.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 08:41 AM
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59. BTW: Much of the story is in the NY Daily News...
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:51 PM
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27. StarPass omg you may be on to something..i remember now!
Edited on Fri Oct-03-03 08:19 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
reading something about Arnolds body building coach and American Media (the Enquirer)about the new owner making a deal with Weiter(ms)promising him "not to publish anything negative about Arnold....so is the new owners of the Enquirer a repuke...hmmmm?...and since they are the source of this rush illegal drug deal thingy...i also think something smells fishy


god what was it...i wish i could remember exactly....i'm having a meltdown...to much crap going down and info overload part of the VRWC
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Starpass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 08:34 PM
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36. Elsewhere---the one thing that struck me
was that it was this rag magazine. At first I just thought it was a police bust. Anyway, I noted that all of these rag mags staring down at us from the grocery check out line would have god awful stuff about Clinton, etc. BUT I thought it odd that nothing was there about Arnold. Just the fact that he was "Hollywood" would mean they would have a big file on him and it was no secret that he had affairs on Maria (that was on some prime time thing after one of his heart attacks---like 60 Minutes type of tv). I know it really pissed me off because the repuke bias was very obvious. They always put all sorts of filth to this day about Hil or Bill or Chelsea BUT not a thing about Arnold. Now that said, ain't it interestin' that they are the ones paying big bucks to nail Rush. I'm trying to come up with an explanation--but, I'll be damn if I can figure one out.
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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 08:34 PM
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35. The National Enquirer reporter said Rush "kissed and groped" the maid...
On Buchanan and Press today...
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Starpass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 08:43 PM
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40. HAHAHA--lay some more of thos repuke family values on us, Rush
I think perhaps you are a wee bit of a sick little pervert, Limbaugh. And, hopefully, this will end your career. I want someday to see you with expensive your drug addiction be one of those little people "believing" that the repukes love you and will save you. I want you in the gutter, looking up.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 08:46 PM
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41. i heard that...jays'us ..... is it in repuke DNA>>>the groping gene
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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 08:52 PM
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43. A little on the side ehh Rush?...a "blue dress" in Rush's future?
This could get really slimy...hints of sex...

this has a picture of the maid...
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y13342916
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 10:58 AM
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67. Highly unlikely.....
He's gay isn't he? }(
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varun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 12:17 PM
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72. dont insult
gay people ;)
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Loyal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 08:48 PM
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42. kick
:kick:
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 09:16 PM
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45. Remember My Theory !
Edited on Fri Oct-03-03 09:17 PM by Solomon
Everyone who is let in on the game must be blackmailable. Understand? You can't get in unless you have some flaw that we can control you if necessary with.

I imagine there's a place with pictures of prominent politicians with children, and god knows what else. The system is corrupt. To the bone. That's why no one can complain.

In this case Rush was being blackmailed. No wonder he was such a whore for the right.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 09:30 PM
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47. On NPR I caught bits and pieces of a report
raising a broader issue of how the mainstream media gives a free pass to certain people such as Jeb Bush because of favors they hoped to get from him, and that it's only because National Enquirer can't hope to get the same favors that at least SOMEONE is sniffing out stories like this. I wish I had heard the whole thing (it was between errands) but maybe someone else heard it?

I wonder if anyone has asked Robert Downey Jr. what he thinks of the situation? He served time for possessing much less dope, didn't he?
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 09:30 PM
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48. Online link to Enquirer story
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 09:45 PM
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49. You're right, something stinks
and it's Rush Limburger. How much does he make per year as a talk show host? $23 million, I've read.

Why on earth would he need to supplement his income as a drug pusher?
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 10:38 AM
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62. he didn't supplement his income, he created his entire career
Money is not the only currency. There is also power and influence. When you throw a party, and you put out a crystal bowl full of party drugs, and you observe who is consuming those drugs, and maybe you get some of the biggest party dogs back at another party, and you get wasted together, and slowly a bond is formed because you both share this secret now...you're in the club. And, while the threat is never spoken, it's always there that you have something on the other guy and he has something on you.

Rush won't do time because he knows where the bodies are buried. He would have been a fool to do otherwise, frankly, especially since his problems apparently date back many years. People are now coming forward and making it clear that they've protected him for a long, long time.

The maid didn't get him hooked. Her husband was in pain, and her new employer could think of nothing except asking her to share out some of his pain medicine. Think of that. You think you are going to work as a housekeeper, and you eventually learn that, as one of those despised white trash poor people, you are expected to provide drugs. That tells me that, like many other radio and TV personalities from the late 70s and the 80s, he was using drugs for a long, long time and had pretty much lost all shame about it.

I think she was DAMN smart to keep good records. Otherwise, when caught with the drugs, she would have gone to prison, and Rush would have denied everything. As it is, she is getting immunity. And I hope she gets a million dollars.

The thought of someone hitting on their housekeeper, to steal her husband's drugs, because he is a big celebrity and he thinks he can get away with it...UGH.


tackiness, thy name is rush
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Noordam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 07:35 AM
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53. Wilma Cline and cigar box



Wilma Cline says she used this cigar box to deliver OxyContin and other painkillers to Rush Limbaugh from 1998-2002. She came forward after getting immunity and told her story to The National Enquirer.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 07:41 AM
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55. See my post #52 - This has the makings of a Court TV drama..
Wilma: Limbaugh turned me into his drug mule

Limbaugh: Wilma hooked me on drugs

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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 10:40 AM
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63. More details on the Clines...
David Cline was arrested for cocaine trafficking in 1982 in Collier County. He posted bond to get out of jail and then skipped, living as a fugitive in New York and Fort Lauderdale under different names until surrendering in 1989. He was convicted and sentenced to five years in prison.

In April 2000, while he and his wife were allegedly supplying Limbaugh with drugs, Cline was arrested in Palm Beach County and charged with identity theft, having a counterfeit or stolen driver license and a false vehicle registration, possessing marijuana and resisting arrest. He wound up with a combined sentence of time served, 18 months probation, community service and court costs.

More...

Limbaugh linked to painkillers
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 10:25 AM
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61. Aren't buying and bringing into the US Cuban cigars felonies?
Rush may have broken yet another law.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 07:37 AM
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54. I imagine Rush will get the same consideration Jeb's daughter did
again I have extreme sympathy for people battling drug addictions but the fact is, the poor and unconnected are routinely jailed for MINOR DRUG OFFENSES.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 08:22 AM
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57. Doesn't Wilma look a little young to be housekeeper? And, it's a 24Mil$
House! Wealthy people like Rush usually have security people vet anyone who works for them. When one is as famous as Rush you are always worried someone will sell private information about you.

Now, that's what's strange to me.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 10:47 AM
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64. is there an age requirement to clean toilets?
She doesn't look particularly young to me. She has a settled, mature figure, and in a heavier older woman, the wrinkles don't show as soon as in a slimmer woman. She could be any age as far as I'm concerned.

He quite obviously wanted someone powerless, who needed the job, and wouldn't immediately quit when asked something outrageous, so that she could end up caught in the trap of exchanging money for drugs for him. So he hires a woman with an injured husband. He isn't necessarily worried that she will sell the information because he has set things up that she appears to be the drug buyer. If she had not kept such good documentation that she was Rush's intermediary in these drug buys, she would be in prison now -- some of the warrants and searches in this case were executed last spring. Think about that -- he had things set up so that she would go to prison if things went wrong. And if she tried to point fingers, it would be her word against his...

except...except...

This housekeeper was smart enough to keep a log, smart enough to keep the emails, smart enough to get a lawyer, smart enough to wear a wire. She was meant to be the victim, and she turned it around.

You know, if Rush was Hispanic, and he was a rich man in a fine house who sent out an underling to exchange money for large quantities of drugs over many years time, he would be characterized in the press
and in the court system as a "drug lord."


some drug lords can't keep their fingers out of their own product line
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 08:26 AM
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58. You don't have to be 'Rush' to stay out of prison on drug charges...
...US prisons are full of mainly poor and minorites who didn't have the 'connections' to go to treatment.

- The US has more people in prison than any other country now...and MOST are in for less of a crime than Rush committed.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:02 AM
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68. flush might like prison...
...i'm sure jeff christie has had fantasies about being someone's bitch. yah, know, it's a closeted, gay self-hatin' thing. it does piss me off that the feds have known about flush/jeff's abuse for awhile and have decided to to nothing. if he wasn't a conservative mouthpiece he would have gone down YEARS ago.
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