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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:24 AM
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CAN these people be stopped? That is the question.
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 02:58 AM by Skip Intro
CAN the will of the people, the institutions of this nation, the laws of this nation, all that we can muster - can these maniacal chaos-mongers be removed? Or have our legal and righteous tools been rusted thru so throughly by this corrosive bunch of greedy, blood-thirsty thugs that only their implosion - and dare I say our nation's implosion - remain as the lone obstacle to this treachery of mankind?

Shit.

Bush is toast, over and over again, yet there they are still.

Nuclear pre-emption now on the table.

Can they be stopped? Can it be stopped? With all our slings and arrows, can they be stopped?
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rawtribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:33 AM
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1. Words from Jefferson.
"A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government to its true principles. It is true that in the meantime we are suffering deeply in spirit, and incurring the horrors of a war and long oppressions of enormous public debt...If the game runs sometimes against us at home we must have patience till luck turns, and then we shall have an opportunity of winning back the principles we have lost, for this is a game where principles are at stake."
--Thomas Jefferson, 1798, after the passage of the Sedition Act.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:36 AM
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2. Very soothing
and we'll hang the imperialists in the meantime if they don't knock it off.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:44 AM
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3. Wow, thanks. Just what I needed.
I verge on panic from time to time, reading the seemingly endless list of treasonous betrayals, and the "forward, march" of their agenda, despite public opinion, despite public outrcry, backed by the perverted power of thier current positions.....god

but Jefferson's words do help.

(((deep breath)))

thanks
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:49 AM
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5. Another jefferson fan
"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established, should not be changed for light and transient causes; and, accordingly, all experience shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But, when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security." --Thomas Jefferson: Declaration of Independence, 1776. ME 1:29, Papers 1:429
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OKDem08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:45 AM
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4. yeah, really
impeachment would only result in President DICK. That would only be more of the same. What a disgusting and revolting thought.
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:59 AM
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7. Here is the problem. These same Brownies are running the corp's
of this country right now, ie., this includes the banks, the investment co's, the pharma, the credit card, the insurance, right down to food co's, ok, I just exposed my resume. What happens when the whole thing starts to unravel?

My greatest fear is a Depression, think about it, the greed has destroyed all that made this a good country. We soon won't be able to afford the gas to drop any bombs.

Our economy is a house of cards right now, and I am not talking about being the only super power, I am talking about eating to live.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:10 AM
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8. I fear the depresion is well on its way
we were on the edge, Katrina will drive us over...

And we are no longer a super power
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:54 AM
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6. Our slings and arrows carry a powerful truth.
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 02:55 AM by fooj
When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time they may seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it~always.- M. Gandhi

Peace.:patriot:
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:19 AM
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9. The truth, No...
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 04:02 AM by Zinfandel
Did you hear Howard Dean's speech this week, I should say did you read it...because not one television news media outlet would carry it.

These fascist can and will do as they please, no lie is out of the question and they have the means to sell it as truth...

They fill the courts one by one with their neocon judges, the same ones who will make the decisions on issues like republican owned electronic voting machines polluting our voting process, how do you think these judges will rule on republicans stealing elections or democrats insistence on a paper trail?

No legislation, the republicans don't want, such as the democrats two bills calling for a paper trail will ever see the light of day. Republicans run all branches of government. That won't change with electronic voting machines stealing votes in a precinct here and a precinct there, just enough for people to howl, and just enough to maintain their majority.

Who will report anything the imperialist do anyway.

They can have a 20% approval rating and they will not change their fascist ideological agenda, it's full speed ahead, right over a few detours we throw in front of them...who can stop them?

These are the selfish, mean, greedy, vindictive, arrogant men of our time now in power, they love to see pain, they love to hurt, it gives them great pleasure, makes life all worth living, to ruin their opposition is not enough...they must destroy and be as vindictive as possible doing it, because that's who they really are, that's what makes them happy.

These are oil & energy tycoons in power and their greed can't be stopped, they need it all they have to have it all, fuck the poor and the middle class, raise energy prices, raise them and raise them for more profits, they are sick, very sick, they can't stop, we are seeing the greed of these very sick people getting richer and sicker every day, they just can't stop.

We see they will hold control at any cost, including unlimited human life, in order to stay in complete control and maintain power... It's politics, alway politics and political, on every level with these people and they'll do anything... smearing, distorting, lying, killing and ruining anyone who stand in their way...to keep military like control.

Did you know Howard Dean made a speech this week, telling of the Bush/Rove machines, lies and planned cover ups and distortions, the media never showed it.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:50 AM
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10. When in the course of human affairs
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. —Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
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OKDem08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:53 AM
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11. that was so powerful
thank you.
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JackieO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 06:27 AM
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12. Someone left this flyer on my doorstep today:
The World Can't Wait!

Drive Out the Bush Regime!

Mobilize for November 2, 2005

Your government, on the basis of outrageous lies, is waging a murderous and utterly illegitimate war in Iraq, with other countries in their sights.

Your government is openly torturing people, and justifying it.

Your government puts people in jail on the merest suspicion, refusing them lawyers, and either holding them indefinitely or deporting them in the dead of night.

Your government is moving each day closer to a theocracy, where a narrow and hateful brand of Christian fundamentalism will rule.

Your government suppresses the science that doesn’t fit its religious, political and economic agenda, forcing present and future generations to pay a terrible price.

Your government is moving to deny women here, and all over the world, the right to birth control and abortion.

Your government enforces a culture of greed, bigotry, intolerance and ignorance.

People look at all this and think of Hitler – and they are right to do so. The Bush regime is setting out to radically remake society very quickly, in a fascist way, and for generations to come. We must act now; the future is in the balance.

Millions and millions are deeply disturbed and outraged by this. They recognize the need for a vehicle to express this outrage, yet they cannot find it; politics as usual cannot meet the enormity of the challenge, and people sense this.

There is not going to be some magical “pendulum swing.” People who steal elections and believe they’re on a “mission from God” will not go without a fight.

There is not going to be some savior from the Democratic Party. This whole idea of putting our hopes and energies into “leaders” who tell us to seek common ground with fascists and religious fanatics is proving every day to be a disaster, and actually serves to demobilize people.

But silence and paralysis are NOT acceptable. That which you will not resist and mobilize to stop, you will learn – or be forced – to accept. There is no escaping it: the whole disastrous course of this Bush regime must be STOPPED. And we must take the responsibility to do it.

And there is a way. We are talking about something on a scale that can really make a huge change in this country and in the world. We need more than fighting Bush’s outrages one at a time, constantly losing ground to the whole onslaught. We must, and can, aim to create a political situation where the Bush regime’s program is repudiated, where Bush himself is driven from office, and where the whole direction he has been taking society is reversed. We, in our millions, must and can take responsibility to change the course of history.

To that end, on November 2, the first anniversary of Bush’s “re-election”, we will take the first major step in this by organizing a truly massive day of resistance all over this country. People everywhere will walk out of school, they will take off work, they will come to the downtowns and town squares and set out from there, going through the streets and calling on many more to JOIN US. They will repudiate this criminal regime, making a powerful statement: “NO! THIS REGIME DOES NOT REPRESENT US! AND WE WILL DRIVE IT OUT!”

November 2 must be a massive and public proclamation that WE REFUSE TO BE RULED IN THIS WAY. November 2 must call out to the tens of millions more who are now agonizing and disgusted. November 2 will be the beginning – a giant first step in forcing Bush to step down, and a powerful announcement that we will not stop until he does so – and it will join with and give support and heart to people all over the globe who so urgently need and want this regime to be stopped.

This will not be easy. If we speak the truth, they will try to silence us. If we act, they will try to stop us. But we speak for the majority, here and around the world, and as we get this going we are going to reach out to the people who have been so badly fooled by Bush and we are NOT going to stop.

The point is this: history is full of examples where people who had right on their side fought against tremendous odds and were victorious. And it is also full of examples of people passively hoping to wait it out, only to get swallowed up by a horror beyond what they ever imagined. The future is unwritten. WHICH ONE WE GET IS UP TO US.

These next two months are crucial. The call you are reading has to get out to millions right away – on the internet, passed out as flyers in communities, published as ads in newspapers. DO NOT WAIT!! GET ORGANIZED!! If you agree with this statement, add your name to it!!! And do more than that: send it to friends, get them to sign it, organize a meeting, take it to your church, your school, your union, your health club, your barber shop, to concerts and libraries and family gatherings, everywhere you go. Raise money, lots of money. Get people together, make plans to be there on November 2, and to build for it. GET IN TOUCH WITH US AT OUR WEBSITE, worldcantwait.org

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