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Stinky Bushes Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:37 PM
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IMPEACHMENT STRATEGY: Please Read & Share Your Comments...
With the Dems being the minority in Congress, and Bush always calling them "divisive" for (rightly) criticizing Republican policies, how can we possibly believe Bushco can be impeached? I have an idea.

I believe the only way to do this is to go after the majority. Now I don't know if you guys have already done this, but perhaps our focus shouldn't be on the minority Dems who already think like us, but rather on the Repubs who, if we hassle them enough, will have no choice but to begin impeachment proceedings against Bush in order to save the face of the Republican party.

It also helps to tell them that Bush lied about protecting the American people, AND that the Republican party looks very, very bad right now and many are jumping ship.

Will this work? What do you all think?

p.s. Again the toll-free number to Congress is 1-877-SOB-U-SOB. That is, 1-877-762-8762.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:46 PM
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1. I think the only way bush will impeached
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 02:46 PM by bowens43
is if the Dems regain control of the House in 2006. When bush is attacked, the republicans, especially the house republicans , rally to his side. They will NEVER support an impeachment. I think our energies should be directed toward winning enough seats in 2006 to regain control of the house.

However , anything that I can do to try to bring down the idiot, I will do.
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:52 PM
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3. I agree. The first step should be started now. (if not sooner.)
An impeachment will not occur unless Dems have a majority in the House, but the investigation(s) to produce evidence to make the case can be done at any time. Like now, for instance.
-Make7
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Stinky Bushes Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:53 PM
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4. never say never...
The Repubs will support Bush to the hilt, but what if we had a massive mobilization where millions of Americans bombarded Republican Senators and Representatives with a call for impeachment? If there is enough outcry, the Repubs will KNOW they are in trouble and will be forced to take action. To save their own hides, and their party at large, they will have to cave to the will of the people! And so yes, I believe it IS possible...and we need to do it IMMEDIATELY before Bush/Cheney consolidate even MORE power...

When I called John McCain's office last week, I told them point blank that if McCain were to run for office, I wouldn't vote for him because of his Republican party affiliation. I told them I respect him but would not vote Republican again for sure. I'm just one voice, but just imagine how the Repubs would react if everyone called Republican Senators and Representatives and said the same thing. They'd realize their party is in trouble and they'd eliminate the weak links in the chain (Bush/Cheney).
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RallyInDC Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 04:10 PM
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19. this isn't political!!!! i agree stop with the crap.
we need to get rid of this right now, and fitzgerald will most definitely help once the criminal case is over which it almost is.

we need to surround them all, shame every one of them into action including democrats who are not supportive of the action.

does it even matter who replaces the freaks?!?? we can't wait, this has to be done NOW.

if the impeachment process begins like you say stinky, then it will affect every other criminal who covered it up including hastert, cheney, all of them. it will get rid of the whole criminal block! it has to be done right away, not worry about whether you have a dem or rep president. the time is now and we can't wait, you're damn right!
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:52 PM
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2. you must remember though...
that the GOP has been very, very successful at "punishing" those in their ranks who speak out against the administration. They are very disciplined. That's always been first and foremost. Discipline and blind loyalty. I honestly don't think we can depend on any GOPer to break ranks in a substantive way. They can take public harassment all day long, but cower in fear to "the Vulcans" in the West Wing.
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Stinky Bushes Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:57 PM
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5. I understand what you are saying...
but there HAVE been cases where Repubs have broken from the "party line." For example, recently Bill Frist has come out in favor of stem cell research, which rankled many conservatives. And Senator Susan Collins is a Republican from Maine who never ceases to impress me with her independent thinking...she is often critical of this Administration and has some great ideas.

It's close to what you are saying, and yes the loyalty factor is strong for the most part. But this effort is not impossible by any means, because like I said, if more people begin to stand up against them, they will get ansy and perhaps take action.
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Meeker Morgan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:05 PM
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6. Who do you want to be president?
Cheney? OK impeach him, too. Hastert? Condi?

This is definitely not the time for an impeachment, assuming it could be done.

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Stinky Bushes Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:20 PM
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9. I disagree...
again I say that Bush was supposed to be the protector of the people and now we find out that's not true...if another event happens we are obviously not prepared now because of his failure...we need someone who can actually lead, and anyone is better than Bush in my book.

I guess I just don't get it. Why are people backing off impeachment now? I know the other options aren't good, but if the other options aren't good anyhow, why not impeach Bush? Why not hold him accountable? He allowed thousands to die, and we should excuse this?

Did I call all my reps & Congressmen in vain all last week?
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:26 PM
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11. So what you're trying to say is, you want a Republican president no matter
what.

Because impeachment right now means precisely that.

Fuck that shit. All Republicans are EVIL.
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Robertwf Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:17 PM
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7. Impeachment
John Conyers is the ranking Minority member of the House Judiciary Committee. where the impeachment actions must begin. he has indicated the he is derfinitely in favor of impeachment.
so It appears that all that is needed is for dems to control the House and Senate in 2006. BTW that will be no small feat. but if we keep focused on the issues and dont let the other side detract from the that we can do what we need to do.

Bush sucks}(
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Stinky Bushes Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:23 PM
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10. I personally don't think we can afford to wait that long...
another catastrophe of any kind could happen at any given time, and we'd all be out on our butts in Superdomes across the country. We'd be pretty ticked we didn't take action then!

I say it IS possible if we really let the Repubs have it and put all kinds of political pressure on them - including daily calls for impeachment.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:47 PM
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15. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but we HAVE done daily calls
for Impeachment which have fallen on deaf ears.

In MY case, I am stuck with Frist and Alexander for Senators. I have called and written emails, and you can imagine what the response has been.

To be honest, Frist wasn't that bad until B* promised him if he'd "play ball" that B* would support Frist's humanitarian efforts against AIDS in Africa. I supported Frist's efforts in that area. However, after that Frist just went completely insane. I have no other explanation for his subsequent actions.

Alexander: I was afraid during his campaign that he would just be another Bushbot - But, he has opposed B* in a few areas. He may yet prove to be an effective Senator, but I'm not holding my breath.

True EFFECTIVE change will probably be slow and, unfortunately, painful. Like you, my heart breaks over the MANY people who are and will continue to be hurt by this administration's incompetence and selfish agenda. To be honest, at this point I think all we can do is work to wards the Long Term and try to minimize the current suffering as much as possible.

YOU CAN HELP!!! I recommend you join the DU Activist Corp (I'll admit, I haven't yet because of other obligations - but I plan to soon!).

Also, DON'T STOP calling and emailing your Reps! It can be frustrating, but perseverance does have it's rewards!

Also, DON"T STOP posting at DU! We welcome your input and participation!
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:47 PM
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14. Newsweek poll says only 38% would vote Repub for Congress today.
Eye of the Political Storm
A new NEWSWEEK poll suggests President Bush could become Katrina’s next casualty.


(excerpt)

Reflecting the tarnished view of the administration, only 38 percent of registered voters say they would vote for a Republican for Congress if the Congressional elections were held today, while 50 say they would vote for a Democrat.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9280375/site/newsweek/page/2

Let's hope this figure holds... or drops.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:20 PM
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8. I SEE what you're trying to say
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:29 PM
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12. I think we should do just like the BFEE does
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 03:29 PM by notadmblnd
incriminate members of the house and senate via sex.. bribes.. kickbacks etc.. then use it to blackmail them into going along with the impeachment proceedings. It's time to stop being mr nice guy and fight fire with fire.
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:30 PM
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13. The question is- what scares the GOP more-
Losing their seat in the upcoming election and losing control of Congress OR dealing with the reprucussions for showing disagreement or non-support of the president. They are well aware and terrified of the power of these Neocons who as we all know, do not play fair and make their own rules.

On the other hand. if we all started flooding Congress - especially Republicans - with calls saying we are pissed of Republicans and or independants who will never again vote GOP unless they start a bi-partisan investigation immediately- maybe we could at least spark some interest. The would not have any way to know whether we were or ware not Repub voters and hearing from what they think is their base, threatening not to vote for them could have a slight impact on some of them....
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VADem11 Donating Member (783 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:50 PM
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16. Reallistically
The easiest way would be to win the majority in Congress and replace Speaker Hastert with Speaker Pelosi. After the elections we launch investigation after investigation. Then, we impeach Bush and Cheney (as well as anyone else we choose) and then get all democrats and moderate republicans to convict Shrub and Cheney. After that, Pelosi moves into office and we have 2 years of recovering from the Bush era.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:54 PM
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17. 'Impeachment' - Interesting note on Sen. Kennedy's website...
One of the 'Topic' pulldown menu topics on his contact page is 'Impeachment'.

High bandwidth site: http://kennedy.senate.gov/index_high.html

Low bandwidth site: http://kennedy.senate.gov/index_low.html
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RallyInDC Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 03:55 PM
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18. i'm with you....I can't believe anyone is talking about 2006...
this is not political, these maniacs are capable of anything before 2006 is even here and they are counting on that....

we have to get impeachment and incarceration started now, don't give me that bullshit about it can't happen....there's been numerous people arrested recently because of progressive power, we are who's in charge.....

we need to get rid of them now and begin proceedings, no matter where they go.

shame all republicans into taking action, it helps to lump them all together, and show they are accomplices.....and then remove delay from his majority leader position, it can be done.

it has to be done by us and we need fitzgerald....alot of this hinges on the criminal investigation, but we need to light the fire....

spread the word.....not only demand, but force resolution of impeachment proceedings due to high crimes & misdemanors;
http://www.conservativeusa.org/mega-cong.html has a complete list...
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