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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:36 AM
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HS/FEMA withheld services on purpose from NOLA.
I'll say it again, HS/FEMA withheld services on purpose from NOLA.

Yesterday, Craig Crawford of the Congressional Quarterly admitted this on national TV. The implications of this are mind blowing.


HS/FEMA had the resources, they were staged in the pre-planned locations. They were ready to go in after the storm and the WH and HS/FEMA decided not to send in the aid. His reasoning was they held back because they were afraid if there was another 'emergency' somewhere else they wouldn't have the resources to deal with that emergency?

So what the fuck is the purpose of HS/FEMA if they don't deliver services during and after an emergency? Gee what other emergency would possible be more important then a Cat 4 Hurricane on a major seaport? George Bush's lily white ass?



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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:40 AM
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1. Maybe they know something about another "Terrist attack"
and they knew it would be WORSE somewhere else!!!!
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:46 AM
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4. The only terrorist attack they are worried about
Is a million peace moms coming to DC at the end of the month. Oh yeah, and that other terrorist Fitzgerald who is going to be handing out indictments soon, especially now that their pretty little Ms Judith is singing.

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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 08:12 AM
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11. Okay, I must have missed something here....
Miller is singing? These threads have been going so fast I missed that. Can you give me a link? TIA... :hi:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 08:14 AM
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12. Only according to Huffington Post
so we'll see. But it doesn't surprise me. Judith sees the ship of state is sinking and she's in a very bad spot.
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 08:21 AM
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14. Appears she is bailing as fast as she can
going down with the ship was NOT in her contract.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 08:51 AM
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16. Bush's FEMA "National Response Plan" rules were forgotton because of
WHY???

The December 2004 National Response Plan (NRP), the federal Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) most recent plan for coordinated federal response to disasters http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.dhs.gov/interweb/... , confirms the Red Cross' status as a "primary agency" http://mediamatters.org/items/200509090002#establishes
that will, under the oversight of FEMA and DHS, coordinate "federal mass care resources" to affected areas. Moreover, in a "catastrophic event," such as what befell New Orleans, the NRP directs FEMA http://mediamatters.org/items/200509090002#directs
to act on its own authority to quickly provide assistance and conduct emergency operations, bypassing state and local authorities if necessary.

And our uniform media responce is to put "some blame" on local and State officials, and on those workers that fled NO rather than stay at Hospitals or on the police watch as their homes were washed away?

When Knight-Rider, Fox, and the Bush Administration are not singing the same tune, let me know. Till then, our media sucks IMHO.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:42 AM
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2. Don't let the smoke and mirrors make you lose sight
of this fundamental fact. The corpomedia does not choose to connect these "dots".
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:45 AM
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3. They also broke US law by not advising Blanco on requesting all
aid she was entitled to -- and that would mean advising her about exactly how to request troops when they're needed, something the Repukes are hammering her for supposedly not knowing how to do.

See my post at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4741514 for the details of the law, which is on the FEMA website.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:51 AM
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5. Once Bush issued the STATE OF EMERGENCY
The Federal Government was in charge of everything. It was up to the WH, DOD and HS/FEMA to all go to 'battle stations' and to launch an appropriate response immediately. No one has to ask for anything from then on, except for specific local events, such has getting sandbags for the levee. The guy on the ground calls up and says, hey Boss it's getting bad down here. The levees gonna blow, should be more then enough to get an immediate response.


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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 08:04 AM
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9. I respect Crawford who usually says it like it is. Whow--
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:55 AM
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6. "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"
A proclamation by the pigs who control the government in the novel Animal Farm, by George Orwell. The sentence is a comment on the hypocrisy of governments that proclaim the absolute equality of their citizens but give power and privileges to a small elite.
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Talismom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:59 AM
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7. Like I just wrote in another post,nothing these crooks do is and accident!
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 08:04 AM
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8. Does anyone have the link to where Craig Crawford stated this on TV?
Was it on MSNBC? Is this written somewhere (in addition to on information clearinghouse?

Thanks!

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 08:09 AM
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10. It was on Olberman's show last night
I was eating dinner and just about took a you know what.

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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 08:18 AM
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13. Actually, it was Chertoff/DHS which withheld FEMA services
Because Brown did not have final authority to send FEMA in. FEMA teams in EVERY region of the country were poised to head for NOLA and the Gulf Coast. They were kept waiting for two days for a green light from "DC", ie Chertoff. The civil service career professionals at FEMA, who were allowed to do great work under Clinton/Witt, are extremely frustrated by the way Bush has hamstrung & gutted their agency. Original FEMA chief, Joe Allbaugh told people he was leaving because he had to go to Tom Ridge for approval of Allbaugh's decisions. Of course, the private reason Allbaugh left was to go into counter terrorism consulting and make a fortune.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 08:46 AM
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15. With Rummie pulling Chertoff's strings in the background
There was a report in the press that the Pentagon had taken over command on Weds. Aug 31.


The response was run mostly by Rummie, who launched a military response. He forgot New Orleans wasn't in Iraq.


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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 08:56 AM
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17. I'd like to hear some discussion on possible
reasons for Rummy, FEMA, and Homeland Security to do this. I don't believe it is as simple as they hate black and poor people. They had to know it would be and was hurting them badly, politically. They can't really be that stupid. What is/was their thinking? I sure would like to know how they believed they could benefit. It certainly makes no sense that they withheld FEMA because there MIGHT be another disaster. Surely they are taking a bigger hit for their inaction in the Gulf coast than they would have if they went in and there was a terrorist attack elsewhere.

Someone help me make sense of this. Was it deliberately done to breed hatred, or maybe even fear, of government?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 09:21 AM
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18. Yes,
you're heading in the right direction.

One important turning point was on Sept 2nd, when Gov Blanco stood her ground and did not sign over the State of Louisiana to the Federal Government. If she had fallen into Bush's trap, we would be will on our way to a military dictatorship and that is why Bush & Co didn't care how people saw them. As a matter of fact, they wanted people to fear them.

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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 09:44 AM
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19. All I can say is
they have succeeded in spreading quite a bit of fear. I wonder if they have paid psychologists on board, specializing is mass mind control. I wonder . . .

The worst thing is, if you try to explain those suspicions to just about anyone in the US, you might find yourself Baker Acted.

Once upon a time, when I worked for a psychiatric hospital, a man was admitted (I believe he was from Cuba), who thought the CIA was after him. I kept wondering to myself what if the CIA really WAS after him? What if all those tales of phone taps, being followed, and attempted murder were true? His background actually made that a possibility.

I think I'll go get another cup of coffee and ponder all this a little more.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 10:42 AM
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