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Mon Oct-06-03 05:08 PM
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Michael Moore on "The Daily Show" tonight. 10/6 11PM Eastern nt |
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Mon Oct-06-03 05:10 PM
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1. Thanks for the heads up... |
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Tonight's show should be great!
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Mon Oct-06-03 05:12 PM
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Mon Oct-06-03 05:12 PM
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he'll tout his boy wonder, Clark, even more tonight :eyes:
I've lost so much respect for MM.
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Mon Oct-06-03 05:13 PM
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5. You're not the only one |
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Mon Oct-06-03 05:16 PM
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...you had respect to lose? I was under the impression that you've never thought highly of Moore...
That said, who knows, his statements haven't been an endorsement of Clark, but we'll see if he touts him. I don't suppose he could be any worse than Rob Lowe was in his boosting of Arnold the Gropinator.
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Mon Oct-06-03 05:48 PM
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10. I did respect him before 2000 |
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Mon Oct-06-03 09:00 PM
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56. Moore devoted nearly an entire chapter to Clark in his new book |
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Moore is 110% on the Clark bandwagon
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Tue Oct-07-03 05:13 AM
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83. You lost repect for him because he likes Clark? |
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I don't think that's very fair. Moore is as liberal as they get in this country. If he likes Clark, don't you think you should probably give the General a chance? His positions on the issues are pretty liberal.
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Mon Oct-06-03 05:12 PM
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He helped make Bush president. I could care less as to what he thinks.
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Mon Oct-06-03 05:18 PM
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7. How did he make Bush president? |
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Mon Oct-06-03 05:27 PM
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9. Don't you know? He was one of the SCOTUS five! The scoundrel! |
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Mon Oct-06-03 06:00 PM
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15. Ok, you've already made me feel like a dumbass, |
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but I'll ask anyway. What's SCOTUS 5?
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Mon Oct-06-03 06:04 PM
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16. SCOTUS = Supreme Court of the US |
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SCOTUS 5 are the 5 who voted to make Bush president.
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Mon Oct-06-03 06:04 PM
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17. you're not a dumbass, just a new kid on the block |
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the SCOTUS 5 are the five RW supreme court justices that thought counting all the votes in FL was a bad thing.
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Mon Oct-06-03 06:05 PM
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18. The Supreme Court Of The United States |
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five judges that put whistle ass in the WH.
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Mon Oct-06-03 06:07 PM
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20. thanks for the PM, girlfriend! |
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Mon Oct-06-03 07:24 PM
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40. Aww, you're most welcome, cutie |
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Mon Oct-06-03 07:28 PM
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43. Awwwww...what a cute lil emoticon |
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makes one all warm and fuzzy inside :)
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Mon Oct-06-03 08:28 PM
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and for all the right reasons! :evilgrin:
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Mon Oct-06-03 06:07 PM
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21. I was mocking someone else, not you, sorry. |
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Edited on Mon Oct-06-03 06:10 PM by Wonk
It could be a thread about how seatbelts save lives and he'll be there saying Nader is evil incarnate, always was and always will be. Same for Moore, as you can see just by looking at this thread.
on edit:Your question about the SCOTUS was already answered so I shortened my post.
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Mon Oct-06-03 06:42 PM
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23. So.....you're saying Moore voted for Nader? |
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Or he didn't? I'm confused. That's the only thing I can guess based on your initial comment. If he did vote for Nader, that's no reason to write him off. He's making valuable contributions to our society and I admire and thank him for it. He does it in a way that's controversial at times, and I don't agree with all his methods, but considering that he is successful at getting an audience and considering that very few others have the courage to do what he's doing, I give him huge props and overlook any flaws.
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Mon Oct-06-03 06:53 PM
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24. MM been a voice for working people in a america for twenty years |
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and has been daring to say what dem leadership has been afraid to say.
unfortunately, there's a sad, shrill minority on DU that can't grasp what MM is all about, and can't pass up a chance to exhibit their small-mindedness when MM fans start a thread.
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Mon Oct-06-03 06:55 PM
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26. There is also a shrill group of DUers who can't dare to deal |
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with criticims of Moore, their hero. With "friends" like Moore the working class hardly needs enemies like the Republicans.
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Mon Oct-06-03 06:57 PM
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27. Yeah he did vote for Nader and attacked Gore |
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That was such a "valuable contribution". And yet he dares to bitch about Bush when he did nothing in 2000 to stop him.
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Mon Oct-06-03 07:09 PM
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33. Moore begged Nader to concede Florida |
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and throw his support for Gore, therefore making the election too close to steal.
Nader refused, as he had his eye on the matching federal funds and wanted a certain % of the vote for that purpose.
Nader was more responsible for Bush being able to steal the presidency than Moore.
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Mon Oct-06-03 07:11 PM
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35. That still doesn't cut it |
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Moore had been attacking Gore for months on end. And he knew what could very well happen. By then the damage had long since been done.
So yes I do hold Moore responsible for his role in what happened. As much as some DUers refuse to admit it, had Moore not been attacking Gore and pushing the Nader voter, Gore could very well be president today.
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Mon Oct-06-03 07:19 PM
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38. Nothing will cut it for you |
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your bitterness is eating you up and it's an ugly thing to behold.
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Tue Oct-07-03 04:21 AM
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82. Well, it appeared to me at the time that... |
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...had Gore been able to distinguish himself enough from the Republicans in the eyes of the average voter, the Greens wouldn't have got so many votes off him, do you think? Rather than blaming Michael Moore for giving the election "victory" to the Chimp, I'd analyse what went wrong with the Democratic election campaign instead. Michael Moore is a clever bloke and a hell of an intelligent film-maker. He also has real concern and heart for the downtrodden in America, and he deserves all kinds of credit for his work. That's my 2p.
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Mon Oct-06-03 07:56 PM
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The next person who blames ANYONE ELSE but the 5 Nazis on the Supreme KKKourt, Bush and KKKatherine Hairass, I will find a way to reach through my computer and bitchslap you!!!!!!!!!!
STOP ATTACKING FELLOW DEMOCRATS, AND FIGHT THE REAL ENEMY: BUSH!
End of story.
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Mon Oct-06-03 05:48 PM
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11. Another Nader Apologist in Denial |
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Then again there tend to be way too many of them here.
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Mon Oct-06-03 05:52 PM
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12. if you don't care what MM thinks |
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then why do you feel complelled to hijack the threads of those who do?
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Mon Oct-06-03 05:54 PM
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You always seem to chime in threads where I post in first.
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Mon Oct-06-03 06:06 PM
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19. That's right you COULD care less |
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You care a great deal about what he thinks. And let us know at every opportunity.
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Mon Oct-06-03 07:04 PM
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29. You could care less about what he says so much |
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that you respond to every thread with his name on it :eyes:
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Mon Oct-06-03 09:26 PM
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57. jiacinto- You are on my ignore list |
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FOREVER! :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:
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Mon Oct-06-03 05:22 PM
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8. Thanks, I'll be watching now. |
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What's with all the negativity today?
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Mon Oct-06-03 05:53 PM
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13. i just saw (finally) "Bowling for Columbine" |
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what a great use of media ...
i really liked the bit where he took two of the Columbine shooting victims who still had bullets in their bodies to K-Mart to "return the bullets" ...
nice blend of activism and film making ...
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Mon Oct-06-03 06:28 PM
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...jiacinto even read Stupid White Men. In it, Moore documents how he told people in the days leading up to the election to vote for Gore in swing states and Nader in blowout either way states, and Nader had a shitfit about it, screaming at Mike on the phone over it. Moore was NOT to blame for 2000, if anything, he was the ONLY Naderite with the right idea.
Later.
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Mon Oct-06-03 06:54 PM
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25. Yeah I did read that book |
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And it was too little too late. Frankly Moore had been attacking Gore and supporting Nader for months on end. Sensing the ordeal that was about to follow Moore did that at the last minute. But by then the damage was long since done.
Moore had been attacking Gore for months on end. So I do blame him for that. And it is just sad how some people worship this man as if he can do no wrong.
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Mon Oct-06-03 07:02 PM
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28. I don't know of anyone who "worships" him, |
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but many of us do support him. There are few people out there doing what he's doing and getting an audience beyond what's here at DU. We're talking people who had no idea of some of the things that go on in America - some people have walked out of Bowling For Columbine with changed attitudes and eyes opened for the first time. That's an achievement and he needs our support so he can continue exposing people to the truth.
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Mon Oct-06-03 07:06 PM
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hang out at DU long enuff, you'll come to see mr. jiacinto is the master of hyperbole. :)
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Mon Oct-06-03 07:08 PM
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32. Hang out at DU long enough |
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And You'll Find out that KG personally attacks me at every turn.
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Mon Oct-06-03 07:10 PM
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34. want a little cheese with that? |
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Mon Oct-06-03 07:11 PM
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36. Do you want red wine with that? |
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Mon Oct-06-03 07:25 PM
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41. Want a little Bizarro |
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with that non sequitor?
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Mon Oct-06-03 07:21 PM
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39. And you attack those to the left of yourself at every turn |
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don't bitch because some dont worship YOU.
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Mon Oct-06-03 07:29 PM
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44. Besides, 32,454 people... |
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is too many to attack at every turn.
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Mon Oct-06-03 11:58 PM
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Mon Oct-06-03 07:07 PM
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31. After what he did in 2000 I can't support him |
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He has helped damage this country and I don't see him as a hero. If he truly cared about the damage Bush was going to do to this country he would have campaigned for Gore, not Nader. He would have voted for Gore. But no he had to play an instrumental role in helping Bush win. And yet, among his fans, they get angry whenever anyone dares to bring this up.
I think of a landlord of an apartment complex who knows that his buildings get robbed. I think of that landlord watch a tenant leave his apartment, then see a thief coming, and then do nothing to stop him. And then this person has the gall to then complain and decry about how "bad" thieves are.
That's what I see Moore as being. He did nothing when it really counted and even arguably helped the opposition. And now I am supposed to forget that and support him via buying his books and watching his movies?
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Mon Oct-06-03 07:18 PM
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37. you're not "supposed" to do any of that if you dont want to |
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and how the hell was moore supposed to know that bush would be this bad? did anybody really know? im asking because i didnt pay attention to politics until the 2000 election.
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Mon Oct-06-03 08:16 PM
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49. I think it's pretty obvious |
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Anyone looking at Bush's TX record could make that conclusion.
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Mon Oct-06-03 10:17 PM
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67. and the Democrats still lost |
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Mon Oct-06-03 11:28 PM
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72. Yes many of us did know... |
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he would be this bad. And all those that voted against Gore (by that I mean Bush, Nader, etc) that now claim they wouldn't have guessed it would be "this bad", were woefully ignorant in the last election.
Granted, I didn't see this war coming, but domestically I'm not the least bit surprised as to what he's done. The inequalities of his tax cut were well layed out, and while the mainstream media didn't mention them, there were a million sources on the internet that told how disasterous his policies would be for everyday people.
Many of us could tell Bush was allied with the most fanatical elements of his party. We knew that he would appoint far right idealougues to just about every post in his cabinet and for judgeships. We also knew that Clinton had faught the republicans tooth and nail over issues affecting everyday people -- Nader apologists and Clinton bashers should take a look at what Clinton vetoed, that was passed by the republican dominated congress. Many of those things were brought back, passed and signed into law, under this administration.
So, I will honestly say that I'm not very surprised and anyone that paid any attention to politics before 2000 shouldn't be either. You had to be a gullible fool to buy that Bush was a "moderate" or "compassionate conservative" or "uniter not divider". Anyone with half a brain could have realized these were simply political slogans.
But perhaps I'm being harsh. This was all part of the package sold by the rightwing media. The people simply bought it up.
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Tue Oct-07-03 12:04 AM
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74. Dude, take a step back |
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and see the Big Picture! Don't you get it? Moore doesn't just preach to the choir. He's creating awareness for a lot of new people out there. So his actions in the 2000 election maybe weren't the best way to go. Maybe he's learned from that. Either way, the ones you really ought to be angry with is those who STOLE the election.
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Tue Oct-07-03 12:55 AM
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75. The big picture is that Moore is either a fool or a shill. |
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First Nader and now Clark.
Draw your own conclusions.
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Tue Oct-07-03 01:21 AM
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77. robsul82 - I have made that point many times here |
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This man is on the front lines, in the political war against the Bush junta. People, who throw the baby out with the bath water with Moore, will be ignored.
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Mon Oct-06-03 07:27 PM
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I'd ask certain Moore bashers where they were in the late 80's and early 90's when Moore was one of the few voices trying to get attention paid to the massive rip off of the middle and working classes and the poor that was underway.
The Democrats were starting their long smoochero with the corporate butt, and Moore was out there trying to get people to pay attention to the problems of real people.
He isn;t perfcet. But unfortunately he's still light years ahead of the centrist Democrats is seeing reality with the cold light of honesty.
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Mon Oct-06-03 07:29 PM
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45. I was furious at him after coup2k too |
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To put it mildly. But I think he's done much to redeem himself. And ever since his kick ass oscar speech I've been a fan.
In fact I have tickets to see him speak in Seattle this month.
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Mon Oct-06-03 08:23 PM
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I'm jealous. I just checked and it's SOLD OUT
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Mon Oct-06-03 09:48 PM
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58. I'm sorry you couldn't get a ticket party_line |
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But I think Moore gives a lot of speeches so you'll probably have another chance soon. And I promise I'll post a report.
One thing I *really* appreciated is that the tickets were cheap: $15. Minimim price for other such recent speeches (e.g., Molly Ivins & Al Franken) were $30 for the cheapest seats.
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Mon Oct-06-03 07:31 PM
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46. Bashers may not be the right term |
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it's only one consistant basher who's bitterness is obvious to all.
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Mon Oct-06-03 07:31 PM
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47. you know where they were, armstead.. |
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the same place they are now: their heads buried deep in the sand, thinking the problems with the dem. leadership will go away if they just pretend it doesn't really exist.
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Mon Oct-06-03 08:17 PM
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But those centrist Democrats that you love to deride didn't help get Bush elected.
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they just went along with almost all his plans once he did :eyes:
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Mon Oct-06-03 08:36 PM
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54. in the 80's the centrists proudly called themselves 'reagan democrats' |
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Tue Oct-07-03 12:57 AM
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76. So why is he supporting Trojan Neo-Clark? |
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And why did he support Nader knowing that Green votes were critical to Bush's chances?
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Mon Oct-06-03 08:56 PM
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55. Thank you jiacinto for helping keep this thread kicked all evening ;-) |
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Mon Oct-06-03 09:57 PM
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or did I see a rerun? No Moore on the show tonight.
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Mon Oct-06-03 10:04 PM
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62. ANYBODY CREATING A MPG or AVI file? |
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I know they eventually show it on their site but it takes a while...
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He's trying to laugh at Arnold playing gutair
"How did Planet Hollywood fail?"
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"mmmm Kay" (South Park reference)
"He did add, we did find a make believe weapon" "A guy going pshew phew with his fingers"
Lol, Rummy went to the protest he was leading outside. Shows Rummy with a "Give Inspectors More Time" Sign
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didn't talk about the issues at all....should have given him two segments
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Tue Oct-07-03 01:35 AM
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78. "Whatta waste......." |
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No kidding.
When directly asked about one of the most disgraceful episodes in the history of our erstwhile democracy, the CA recall, he just blabbed about his high school days.
Not one friggen word against it. I'm so disgusted.
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Mon Oct-06-03 10:28 PM
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71. That's without FOX even suing you... |
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Weather you like him or dislike him, the man has balls. I admire him for standing up and saying what A LOT of people are thinking, but don't have the guts to say.
Bowling was a great example of many things.. if you haven't seen this. Rent or buy it immediately.
Laura
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