You want evidence that Bush is a liar? Here...

[dutchdemocrat]

The Research
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/wot/iraq/politicizedintelligence.html

More support evidence
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jksonc/docs/nie-iraq-wmd.html

The off-the-record press briefing
Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/nationalsecurity/documents/ nie_iraq_wmd.pdf. Page numbers of the NIE (pp.24, 84) were disclosed at the White House ‘background’ (off-the-record) press briefing on July 18 2003, 1:10-2:24 p.m. EDT (copies: FAS, DoS, DoS).

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/07/print/20030718-8.html


The Editorial
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34930

Yes, Bush lied
Posted: October 6, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com


WASHINGTON – A year ago, on Oct. 1, one of the most important documents in U.S. history was published and couriered over to the White House.

The 90-page, top-secret report, drafted by the National Intelligence Council at Langley, included an executive summary for President Bush known as the "key judgments." It summed up the findings of the U.S. intelligence community regarding the threat posed by Iraq, findings the president says formed the foundation for his decision to preemptively invade Iraq without provocation. The report "was good, sound intelligence," Bush has remarked.

Most of it deals with alleged weapons of mass destruction.

But page 4 of the report, called the National Intelligence Estimate, deals with terrorism, and draws conclusions that would come as a shock to most Americans, judging from recent polls on Iraq. The CIA, Defense Intelligence Agency and the other U.S. spy agencies unanimously agreed that Baghdad:



had not sponsored past terrorist attacks against America,

was not operating in concert with al-Qaida,

and was not a terrorist threat to America.

SNIP

Impeach.

[Teh Magick]

1. hmmm

1 year ago were we in Iraq? I dont think so. Times change, information changes.

Anyways, I trust my president and the high-ups in the government to be doing the right thing and not some newspaper. Most newspapers lie, so why trust them?

You guys have to remember, this war thing isnt about republicans or democrates, its about life and peace.

[dutchdemocrat]

3. If you trust your president

I suggest you would feel more at home at www.freerepublic.com

Very few people here are Bush Fans.

[Teh Magick]

4. well not really

im not a bush fan.

This has nothing to do with how feel the government should be run. This is beyond that. This is an entirely different issue.

Just because I dont agree with the ideas of Bush, (even though hes pretty democrate compared to most right people) doesnt mean I cant support Iraq. This has nothing to do with bills, laws, rights, anything like that.

[rooboy]

5. LOL...you trust your president and the high-ups in government...

so you have no problems with Bush's private little meetings in Crawford with the Saudi prince.

You have no problem with Richard Perle's meeting with the renowned arms dealer Khashoggi.

You think it's just dandy that Dick Cheney should formulate energy policy in secret and then refuse to release any documents about it.

And it's tickety-boo to leak the name of a CIA operative to the press, then do NOTHING about it.

You're either a freeper or a fool.

[Teh Magick]

7. Well, those are differnt things.

Thats politics

The other is about life. Its not about winning the vote, or getting cash. The role of the president is an honorable position. You should respect whoever is in that position.

Because of the war on terrorism the world is a little safer for americans. That is what Iraq + afganistan is about. It's not about scoring.

[Scairp]

16. I see

You wrote, "You should respect whoever is in that position". You mean the way Clinton was respected? Um, okay.:eyes:

[coda]

27. Safer? Like it's become "safer" for Valerie Plame?

LMAOAYI

[Jazzgirl]

34. Hmmm...

Something doesn't smell right here.....

[Padraig18]

9. Hmmmm...

12 posts, can't see his profile, uses the term 'my president', etc. ... HIGHLY unusual, methinks. :wtf:

[jonoboy]

6. shurley shome mistake

err..trust your President and high-ups to do the right thing ???

I think you've been dabbling in some of fatboy Rush's pills

[Scairp]

8. You trust Shrub?

Fool. Go watch some more Faux news.

[Teh Magick]

10. ya ok

I forgot why I stopped posting here.

The people here are focused on a pissing contest. The person who doesnt agree with the forums the most is labeled a right winger even when they are talking about something not related to politics.

ugh.

[Scairp]

11. So glad I could help you remember

:evilgrin:

[dutchdemocrat]

12. Bye

n/t

[jonoboy]

13. no

only the right wingers are labelled right wingers

[Zhade]

28. Don't let the door hit you in your sheeple ass on the way out.

NT!

[coda]

31. Why not try backing up your rhetoric a little?

You layer rhetoric upon rhetoric.

You might explain how the Bush Administration has earned your trust, for example.

[coda]

23. " Most newspapers lie, so why trust them?" LOL

No need to get your info from sources that lie then, right?

When you think about those "newspapers lies" consider the estimate of our bill in Iraq given by the Bush* Administration and weigh it aginst the amount Bush* has requested. Not to mention that Cheney says it isn't enough.


P.S. It isn't all newspapers. I watched this guy live. He called all these big figures "hoopla".





This is Bush appointee, Andrew Natsios, administrator of the Agency for International Development, the lead agency that is responsible for rebuilding the infrastructure of Iraq.

Nightline April 23, 2003


ANDREW NATSIOS
This is 1.7 billion.

TED KOPPEL
(Off Camera) All right, this is the first. I mean, when you talk about 1.7, you're not suggesting that the rebuilding of Iraq is gonna be done for $1.7 billion?

ANDREW NATSIOS
Well, in terms of the American taxpayers contribution, I do, this is it for the US. The rest of the rebuilding of Iraq will be done by other countries who have already made pledges, Britain, Germany, Norway, Japan, Canada, and Iraqi oil revenues, eventually in several years, when it's up and running and there's a new government that's been democratically elected, will finish the job with their own revenues. They're going to get in $20 billion a year in oil revenues. But the American part of this will be 1.7 billion. We have no plans for any further-on funding for this.


<snip>


TED KOPPEL
(Off Camera) And we're back once again with ANDREW NATSIOS, administrator for the Agency for International Development. I want to be sure that I understood you correctly. You're saying the, the top cost for the US taxpayer will be $1.7 billion. No more than that?

ANDREW NATSIOS
For the reconstruction. And then there's 700 million in the supplemental budget for humanitarian relief, which we don't competitively bid 'cause it's charities that get that money.

TED KOPPEL
(Off Camera) I understand. But as far as reconstruction goes, the American taxpayer will not be hit for more than $1.7 billion no matter how long the process takes?

ANDREW NATSIOS
That is our plan and that is our intention. And these figures, outlandish figures I've seen, I have to say, there's a little bit of hoopla involved in this.


<snip>


TED KOPPEL
(Off Camera) But what you are saying is, maybe, maybe fewer tasks will be accomplished. The amount of money, however, is gonna be the same?

ANDREW NATSIOS
That's correct. 1.7 billion is the limit on reconstruction for Iraq. It's a large amount of money but, compared to other emergencies around the world. But in terms of the amount of money needed to reconstruct the country, it's a relatively small amount.

[dutchdemocrat]

25. Nice Snips

Wow... Link?

http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/nightline_042403_t.html

Bingo

[coda]

33. Thanks, dutchdemocrat.

:hi:

It's early. :-)

[Zhade]

26. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You TRUST a cokehead liar AWOL traitor?

Dude, you came to the wrong place. Go try www.bushlackeys.com or something.

Sheesh. Not even trying to disguise yourself. I think I'm insulted!

[Teh Magick]

2. hmmm

double post

[Scairp]

14. Hmmm

Try "delete" genius.

[slor]

15. LOL...

you trust bush, and expect anyone here to trust you!?! Have you no decency that you dare comment here among Real American Patriots with your cowardly subservience to the WORST President EVER of these United States, proudly displayed!?! Get yer arse back to freeperville now!

[Name removed]

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[Padraig18]

20. Read this, then get back to me

http://www.bushlies.com

[Wonk]

21. Happy reading :-)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=386951

[dutchdemocrat]

24. Holy Shit

That is cooperative research... thanks. Guess work is out of the question.

;o0

[Scairp]

22. Faux News really does rot your brain

And you are living proof. Let's see, where do we begin? We had a surplus when Shrub took office, we are now looking at a HUGE deficit. He has lied us into a quagmire of a war in Iraq. Yeah, there was a great plan to conquer Saddam, but it seems not much of one to deal with the aftermath of war. He gave the biggest tax cuts to other rich people like himself instead of the lower income taxpayers, which is what he promised. And now, dumbasses in his administration are leaking the name of a NOC CIA agent for some retarded reasoning that it's revenge against this person's spouse. Do you even make an effort to get your news anywhere but Faux? Geez!:eyes: :puke:

[Teh Magick]

29. I dont even get fox news

"Do you even make an effort to get your news anywhere but Faux? Geez!:eyes: :puke:"

What statement have I made that would lead you to believe that I even watch fox news? Really now, I havent said anything like that because I DONT!

[Zhade]

30. HE'S A MOTHERFUCKING TRAITOR. Simple enough for you to grasp?

Jesus! You're the reason people are dying in other countries at the hands of our military right now - all blind obedience and junior-high cloak-and-dagger mentality.

YOU HELPED KILL OUR SOLDIERS BY BELIEVING THE TRAITOR. Think about that one while you try to sleep - or doesn't your conscience ever speak up?

[DiverDave]

18. another site

http://www.house.gov/appropriations_democrats/caughtonfilm.htm

[dutchdemocrat]

19. Great Link Dave

This is really impeachable evidence I think... doesn't seem many others do. This is "PROOF" he actually lied, they all did. We knew that, but this proves it.

Shame.

[dutchdemocrat]

32. The point is

If the full NIA is out, then this is irrefutable. I think the CIA leaked it, to hurt the administration.

Bush lied about a lot of things but this one has legs now.